Skype Con Leak/28 dec
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Skype Con Leak/28 dec is part of a series on the Skype Con Leak.
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Dates: Highlights • 22 dec • 23 dec • 24 dec • 25th dec • 26 dec • 27 dec • 28 dec • 29 dec • 30 dec • 31 dec • 01 jan dec • 02 jan • 03 jan • 04 jan • serious long • serious short
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Dates: Highlights • 22 dec • 23 dec • 24 dec • 25th dec • 26 dec • 27 dec • 28 dec • 29 dec • 30 dec • 31 dec • 01 jan dec • 02 jan • 03 jan • 04 jan • serious long • serious short
[28/12/2014, 12:00:09 AM] Peter Coffin: like “this is a step to keep going with this" [28/12/2014, 12:00:10 AM] Remy: I'm sorry I'm just trying to brainstorm [28/12/2014, 12:00:16 AM] Peter Coffin: yeah, I hear you [28/12/2014, 12:01:02 AM] Peter Coffin: I guess it really depends on how dire those things are [28/12/2014, 12:01:21 AM] Peter Coffin: if they have a legitimate chance at stopping him, he probably would take care of them [28/12/2014, 12:01:26 AM] Remy: If only we could figure out a way to fund a bigger legal team for Zoe [28/12/2014, 12:01:28 AM] Peter Coffin: if they are early stages shit, maybe not so much [28/12/2014, 12:01:36 AM] Remy: Then she might have a chance at switching out for a different magistrate [28/12/2014, 12:01:48 AM] Remy: Getting the current one to recuse himself or petitioning for a change of venue [28/12/2014, 12:02:00 AM] Remy: Or whatever it is they do on Law & Order when the lawyers are trying [28/12/2014, 12:02:03 AM] Ian Cheong: That might have the effect of just pissing off the magistrate. [28/12/2014, 12:02:17 AM] Peter Coffin: true, it could [28/12/2014, 12:02:17 AM] Remy: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ how useful is he being right now? [28/12/2014, 12:02:32 AM] Peter Coffin: if he's egotistical [28/12/2014, 12:02:41 AM] Remy: Oh, I'm sure he is [28/12/2014, 12:02:48 AM] Remy: Oh well, it was a thought [28/12/2014, 12:02:50 AM] Ian Cheong: well, he's a malignant narcissist. [28/12/2014, 12:03:02 AM] Peter Coffin: I meant the magistrate [28/12/2014, 12:03:04 AM] Ian Cheong: oh [28/12/2014, 12:03:17 AM] Peter Coffin: if he’s got an ego about him then you’re damaging it trying to get another one [28/12/2014, 12:03:21 AM] drinternetphd: lol he didn't even bother deleting his blogs from when I kept trying to get away from him [28/12/2014, 12:03:22 AM] drinternetphd: sent a file to this group: IMG_27122014_080304.png [28/12/2014, 12:03:35 AM] drinternetphd: http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/84958532076/burgerwizard-antinegationism [28/12/2014, 12:03:50 AM] Ian Cheong: "How many memes did I cause, anyway?" [28/12/2014, 12:04:00 AM] drinternetphd: he's a monster and no one knows. [28/12/2014, 12:05:02 AM] Peter Coffin: ugh [28/12/2014, 12:05:42 AM] Ian Cheong: You have twice as many tabs open as I do. [28/12/2014, 12:06:57 AM] drinternetphd: this is not my only window [28/12/2014, 12:07:16 AM] Peter Coffin: chromeception [28/12/2014, 12:08:51 AM] Ian Cheong: Funny thing about MRAs. They're supposed to be for men's rights but they actively use terms like 'beta' to describe men who don't meet certain societal expectations. [28/12/2014, 12:09:22 AM] Rob: Yep. [28/12/2014, 12:09:51 AM] Ian Cheong: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qjdpi/a_call_for_encouragement_people_are_counting_on_us/ [28/12/2014, 12:11:34 AM] Peter Coffin: you don’t need to tell me about beta [28/12/2014, 12:11:35 AM] Peter Coffin: hahahaha [28/12/2014, 12:11:53 AM] Peter Coffin: I still see beta daily [28/12/2014, 12:12:13 AM] Peter Coffin: usually uncreative though. I am now only posting amusingly stupid comments [28/12/2014, 12:13:04 AM] Peter Coffin: I need to promo that radio show I’m going on tonight again [28/12/2014, 12:13:39 AM] Peter Coffin: HAHA [28/12/2014, 12:13:41 AM] Peter Coffin: https://twitter.com/Bearable_Baloo/status/548759345630941184 [28/12/2014, 12:13:59 AM] Peter Coffin: blacklist doesn’t have them yet [28/12/2014, 12:14:14 AM] Ian Cheong: I have them blocked already. [28/12/2014, 12:14:18 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Oh man, Bearbable Baloo [28/12/2014, 12:14:21 AM] drinternetphd: so peter [28/12/2014, 12:14:25 AM] Peter Coffin: his profile [28/12/2014, 12:14:30 AM] drinternetphd: I am going to ask a weird question and if you want to answer in PMs feel free [28/12/2014, 12:14:35 AM] drinternetphd: but I wanna give you the chance no one gives me [28/12/2014, 12:14:36 AM] Alex Lifschitz: He's the guy who served Donna up to the wolves [28/12/2014, 12:14:40 AM] Peter Coffin: no problem [REDACTED] [28/12/2014, 12:42:50 AM] Remy: I need sleep [28/12/2014, 12:43:17 AM] Remy: Take care everyone [28/12/2014, 12:43:19 AM] Remy: <3 [28/12/2014, 12:43:59 AM] Rob: Later stephen [28/12/2014, 12:45:39 AM] Ian Cheong: I return with coffee. [28/12/2014, 12:45:53 AM] Rob: Ahoy hoy [28/12/2014, 12:45:59 AM] Rob: I am having steak for breakfast [28/12/2014, 12:47:49 AM] Peter Coffin: so I bought whole bean by accident [28/12/2014, 12:47:53 AM] Peter Coffin: hey rob [28/12/2014, 12:48:01 AM] Rob: Yo yo [28/12/2014, 12:48:08 AM] Peter Coffin: I had to grind it up without a grinder [28/12/2014, 12:48:12 AM] Rob: Oh lord [28/12/2014, 12:48:16 AM] Peter Coffin: so it’s brewing right ow [28/12/2014, 12:48:17 AM] Peter Coffin: now [28/12/2014, 12:48:22 AM] Ian Cheong: How do you grind it without a grinder? [28/12/2014, 12:48:29 AM] Peter Coffin: anything hard [28/12/2014, 12:48:32 AM] Ian Cheong: I have a Burr grinder. [28/12/2014, 12:48:54 AM] Peter Coffin: I put the beans in the filter and used a clorox surface wipe container [28/12/2014, 12:49:01 AM] Peter Coffin: worked pretty well, just took a while [28/12/2014, 12:49:28 AM] Peter Coffin: I never buy whole bean, except sometimes by accident [28/12/2014, 12:49:33 AM] Peter Coffin: then I get to play caveman [28/12/2014, 12:49:35 AM] Ian Cheong: I always buy whole bean. Heh. [28/12/2014, 12:49:46 AM] Ian Cheong: Keeps for much longer. [28/12/2014, 12:50:27 AM] Peter Coffin: I don’t even need to worry about keeping [28/12/2014, 12:50:36 AM] Peter Coffin: I’m definitely addicted, it’s gone fast [28/12/2014, 12:51:32 AM] Rob: Me too. [28/12/2014, 12:51:52 AM] Peter Coffin: https://twitter.com/petercoffin/status/548883809106530304 [28/12/2014, 12:52:13 AM] Tesseract: oh god there's a fucking mile of amib and grimachu arguing in my mentions [28/12/2014, 12:52:21 AM] Peter Coffin: ew [28/12/2014, 12:52:35 AM] Peter Coffin: grimchu [28/12/2014, 12:53:04 AM] Tesseract: grim "lost an argument to a bot" achu [28/12/2014, 12:53:23 AM] Tesseract: is his name supposed to sound like grim pikachu because if so [28/12/2014, 12:53:25 AM] Peter Coffin: I am one normally to listen to people talk about suicide, but I get absolutely none of the indicators from him when he was talking about it that it was real [28/12/2014, 12:53:25 AM] Tesseract: lol [28/12/2014, 12:53:41 AM] Peter Coffin: I wouldn’t say that publicly [28/12/2014, 12:53:47 AM] Peter Coffin: but that stank so badly [28/12/2014, 12:59:42 AM] Ian Cheong: That stank. [28/12/2014, 12:59:53 AM] Peter Coffin: pretty much [28/12/2014, 1:00:09 AM] Peter Coffin: again both echos of real crises happening [28/12/2014, 1:00:17 AM] Peter Coffin: that is what bothered me the most [28/12/2014, 1:00:42 AM] Ian Cheong: It irritated me because they were making a mockery out of these issues. That, and everyone in GamerGate pretending to care about their plights. [28/12/2014, 1:00:55 AM] Peter Coffin: very much so [28/12/2014, 1:01:02 AM] Ian Cheong: It's all so disingenuous. [28/12/2014, 1:01:04 AM] Peter Coffin: yes [28/12/2014, 1:01:09 AM] Peter Coffin: it all is [28/12/2014, 1:01:16 AM] Ian Cheong: From the inception to the execution to the fallout. [28/12/2014, 1:01:58 AM] Randi Harper: squeeee [28/12/2014, 1:02:01 AM] Randi Harper: rstevens just followed me [28/12/2014, 1:02:03 AM] Ian Cheong: Hello Randi. [28/12/2014, 1:02:06 AM] Ian Cheong: Sweet! [28/12/2014, 1:02:11 AM] Ian Cheong: I like his comics. [28/12/2014, 1:02:12 AM] Peter Coffin: awesome randi [28/12/2014, 1:02:14 AM] Peter Coffin: how are you [28/12/2014, 1:02:21 AM] Randi Harper: I just woke up [28/12/2014, 1:02:38 AM] Randi Harper: all of my dreams are post apocalyptic. it is so weird. [28/12/2014, 1:04:36 AM] Peter Coffin: sometimes I have those, they mess me up actually. I hope they don’t do the same for you if you have them on a regular basis [28/12/2014, 1:05:05 AM] Ian Cheong: The dreams that mess me up are ones where the world is plunged into emergency. [28/12/2014, 1:05:50 AM] Peter Coffin: yeah, we’ve had so many movies where a person dreams that kind of shit then it happens in my lifetime. it scares me even though I know that it is irrational to place any predictive capacity to dreams [28/12/2014, 1:06:26 AM] Ian Cheong: I've found that a lot of my experiences in life seem to reflect the media I consume. [28/12/2014, 1:06:33 AM] Ian Cheong: It makes no sense, but I can't deny the serendipity. [28/12/2014, 1:06:39 AM] Peter Coffin: exactly [28/12/2014, 1:06:50 AM] Peter Coffin: I almost think it’s designed that way [28/12/2014, 1:07:04 AM] Rob: Morning, Randi [28/12/2014, 1:07:22 AM] Peter Coffin: like there are so many news stories they try to categorically mess with certain amounts of people based on some criteria [28/12/2014, 1:07:30 AM] Randi Harper: I only ever have post apocalyptic dreams where I have to be the hero [28/12/2014, 1:07:37 AM] Randi Harper: there's probably some pretty fucked up psychology behind that [28/12/2014, 1:07:40 AM] Randi Harper: it's tiring. [28/12/2014, 1:07:44 AM] Peter Coffin: that is good, I’d much rather have that despite the psych [28/12/2014, 1:13:09 AM] Peter Coffin: so I was going to make a video overnight and ended up without the motivation to [28/12/2014, 1:13:41 AM] Peter Coffin: that is basically what I’m up to, trying to figure out if I should do it now or not [28/12/2014, 1:13:47 AM] Peter Coffin: to make some kind of conversation haha [28/12/2014, 1:14:26 AM] Ian Cheong: I've been listening to the same two songs for the past few hours. [28/12/2014, 1:14:48 AM] Peter Coffin: are they songs we would know. if they are I want to try to guess them [28/12/2014, 1:14:57 AM] Ian Cheong: Nah. I'll just link em. [28/12/2014, 1:15:00 AM] Peter Coffin: hahahaha okay [28/12/2014, 1:15:03 AM] Ian Cheong: http://citysociety.bandcamp.com/album/canyons [28/12/2014, 1:15:06 AM] Peter Coffin: AH [28/12/2014, 1:15:06 AM] Ian Cheong: the first two songs. [28/12/2014, 1:15:10 AM] Peter Coffin: THAT IS WHERE I SAW THAT [28/12/2014, 1:15:20 AM] Peter Coffin: I put that link into my google keep a week ago [28/12/2014, 1:15:32 AM] Peter Coffin: I listened to it, liked it and was like “where the fuck did this link come from" [28/12/2014, 1:15:39 AM] Peter Coffin: I got it from you somehow [28/12/2014, 1:15:45 AM] Peter Coffin: how are you related to that link [28/12/2014, 1:16:06 AM] Ian Cheong: I got it in an email from Bandcamp and linked it here. [28/12/2014, 1:16:28 AM] Peter Coffin: mystery fucking solved. gratification. [28/12/2014, 1:17:48 AM] Peter Coffin: randi - tank girl is cool. the guy who made that is also the gorillaz guy as I’m sure you know. I think he’s an awesome artist [28/12/2014, 1:18:50 AM] Peter Coffin: gorillaz has affected me in the way the matrix affects mras [28/12/2014, 1:19:18 AM] Ian Cheong: MRAs stole the red pill meme without any comprehension of its true meaning. [28/12/2014, 1:19:31 AM] Peter Coffin: oh I agree [28/12/2014, 1:19:34 AM] Peter Coffin: I love the matrix [28/12/2014, 1:19:37 AM] Peter Coffin: also v vor vendetta [28/12/2014, 1:19:39 AM] Peter Coffin: for [28/12/2014, 1:19:39 AM] Ian Cheong: It's about transitioning and escaping the gender binary. [28/12/2014, 1:19:59 AM] Peter Coffin: the majority of people have no idea [28/12/2014, 1:20:24 AM] Peter Coffin: despite one of the wachowski’s being trans. people don’t seem to understand how to put the matrix into that context [28/12/2014, 1:20:58 AM] Peter Coffin: fuck it, I’m doing it. going to go film for a few minutes guys. probably be back in about an hour [28/12/2014, 1:21:06 AM] Ian Cheong: Have fun. [28/12/2014, 1:21:30 AM] Peter Coffin: will do, thanks [28/12/2014, 1:22:56 AM] Rob: Image [28/12/2014, 1:23:04 AM] Rob: Fun with thunderf00t! [28/12/2014, 1:23:17 AM] Rob: from this video - https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=BURma41Dwb4&lc=_Gq8MbFHeMQpc4_JvgsJkcIB2NN-JXlcIji9XcxwzLI [28/12/2014, 1:24:31 AM] Tesseract: ha ha what the fuck [28/12/2014, 1:31:21 AM] Rob: Someone sent me that a few hours ago but didn't remember the video [28/12/2014, 1:31:24 AM] Rob: took me a bit to find it [28/12/2014, 1:50:29 AM] Ian Cheong: I have an intrusive thought. When I plug my earphones into my ears I imagine blasting the volume up to the max and deafening myself. [28/12/2014, 1:50:42 AM] Ian Cheong: Mostly because it's happened before by accident. [28/12/2014, 1:51:02 AM] Rob: Oof [28/12/2014, 1:51:07 AM] Ian Cheong: Not to the point where I deafened myself, but you know, it still sucked. [28/12/2014, 1:51:37 AM] Ian Cheong: The scrollwheel on the ipod is an absolutely bad design. [28/12/2014, 1:52:01 AM] Rob: I haven't had one for about a decade [28/12/2014, 1:54:27 AM] Ian Cheong: You know what else has a bad design? Monster earphones. They look pretty and all but they rub against the inside of your ears. [28/12/2014, 1:55:01 AM] Ian Cheong: http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Turbine-Performance-In-Ear-Speakers/dp/B001LNO722/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1419702872&sr=8-4&keywords=monster+earphones <-- these [28/12/2014, 2:01:36 AM] Rob: Ew [28/12/2014, 2:02:04 AM] Ian Cheong: https://twitter.com/HeartlandInst/status/548897281936998400 [28/12/2014, 2:02:55 AM] Tesseract: incredible [28/12/2014, 2:03:08 AM] Rob: One of tf00t's fanboys tagged him in repeatedly [28/12/2014, 2:03:15 AM] Rob: I love it when people go and tattle to their idols [28/12/2014, 2:04:02 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah you won't believe how many tattlers I got after tweeting TB. [28/12/2014, 2:04:14 AM] Ian Cheong: And RogueStar retweeted each and every single one of them [28/12/2014, 2:04:25 AM] Rob: like, I'm sorry your fucking idol is an anti-Semite. not my probs bra [28/12/2014, 2:04:38 AM] Rob: Heh. Roguestar is such a shit [28/12/2014, 2:07:23 AM] Tesseract: roguestar rt'd a bunch of gators pissing at me but refuses to @ me or even say my name [28/12/2014, 2:35:41 AM] Chris Kluwe: morning [28/12/2014, 2:35:48 AM] Ian Cheong: good morning chris [28/12/2014, 2:35:56 AM] Rob: Morning, Chris. [28/12/2014, 2:35:58 AM] Chris Kluwe: popping in real quick to drop off this gem from Ghazi [28/12/2014, 2:36:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: http://imgur.com/PV9KDaf [28/12/2014, 2:36:29 AM] Rob: wtf lol [28/12/2014, 2:36:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: the picture really drives home the ethicalness of it all [28/12/2014, 2:36:57 AM] Ian Cheong: Daily Stormer? Sounds like a white nationalist website. [28/12/2014, 2:37:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: it is [28/12/2014, 2:37:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: and guess which administrator of 8chan rocks the handicap symbol! [28/12/2014, 2:37:39 AM] Ian Cheong: Hotwheels! [28/12/2014, 2:37:43 AM] Ian Cheong: Hooooly shit. [28/12/2014, 2:37:46 AM] Chris Kluwe: DING DING DING [28/12/2014, 2:38:15 AM] Rob: Wow [28/12/2014, 2:38:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: so yeah, that's just flat out racism right there, from the founder of the site, who specifically created it to give a home to GG when they got kicked out of 4chan [28/12/2014, 2:39:03 AM] Chris Kluwe: BUT ETHICS [28/12/2014, 2:39:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: i also like his first piece idea on "bring back eugenics," completely ignoring the fact that in a country with a eugenics policy like he wants he never would have been born [28/12/2014, 2:40:12 AM] Ian Cheong: He's pretty dumb. [28/12/2014, 2:42:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: ok, well i'm off to go write sci-fi where people who act like this get their very just rewards :p [28/12/2014, 2:42:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: probably be back later [28/12/2014, 2:42:19 AM] Ian Cheong: Have fun, and thanks for the link. [28/12/2014, 2:42:22 AM] Rob: Later, sir! [28/12/2014, 2:43:24 AM] David Gallant: Afternoon, folks. [28/12/2014, 2:43:30 AM] Ian Cheong: Hey David. [28/12/2014, 2:43:48 AM] Rob: Hey, David. [28/12/2014, 2:44:13 AM] David Gallant: How are things, Ian? I know Slade had pointed GG at your again recently, hope things didn't get too bad. [28/12/2014, 2:44:24 AM] Ian Cheong: Nah, I just blocked them all. [28/12/2014, 2:44:30 AM] Ian Cheong: Things are alright. [28/12/2014, 2:44:39 AM] Ian Cheong: I need to be productive and write stuff today. [28/12/2014, 2:44:56 AM] Ian Cheong: Instead I'm watching Let's Plays of Super Time Force Ultra. [28/12/2014, 2:45:12 AM] David Gallant: I know that feeling. Haven't done anything useful over the holidays and I'm feeling itchy about getting to work. [28/12/2014, 2:57:58 AM] David Gallant: Patreon FINALLY let me use a custom URL [28/12/2014, 2:58:06 AM] David Gallant: http://patreon.com/davidsgallant [28/12/2014, 2:58:07 AM] Ian Cheong: Neat. [28/12/2014, 3:10:09 AM] David Gallant: Did I miss anything significant over the holidays? [28/12/2014, 3:10:49 AM] Ian Cheong: we put an ad up on KIA that leads to Dan's article (don't tell anyone about what we did) and that riled a lot of gators. [28/12/2014, 3:10:56 AM] Tesseract: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AIW03PQZ14 oh god do I even want to watch this [28/12/2014, 3:11:01 AM] Tesseract: from icze4r no less [28/12/2014, 3:12:02 AM] Ian Cheong: im thinking of buying invisible inc [28/12/2014, 3:12:23 AM] David Gallant: no no no no no no no no no no no no nothing from ice4r please no no no no no no no no no no [28/12/2014, 3:13:18 AM] Ian Cheong: oh my god what [28/12/2014, 3:13:27 AM] Ian Cheong: "I find the laws that make CP illegal to be even more morally objectionable." [28/12/2014, 3:13:39 AM] Ian Cheong: "They are censorship, they blatantly violate freedom of speech." [28/12/2014, 3:13:42 AM] Ian Cheong: Are you fucking kidding me. [28/12/2014, 3:13:51 AM] Ian Cheong: can someone put this in the Trello? [28/12/2014, 3:14:30 AM] David Gallant: I keep seeing references to "the Trello". What is it? [28/12/2014, 3:14:54 AM] Ian Cheong: It's a database of all the incidents GG has been involved in [28/12/2014, 3:15:01 AM] Ian Cheong: Alex will have to invite you [28/12/2014, 3:15:38 AM] David Gallant: Probably not a good idea, I don't really have the time or tools or mental fortitude to document this stuff. [28/12/2014, 3:15:50 AM] Rob: I'll need to ask Alex for an invite. [28/12/2014, 3:16:39 AM] Ian Cheong: okay, added that to the CP incident card. [28/12/2014, 3:18:23 AM] Ian Cheong: removed it. [28/12/2014, 3:18:25 AM] Ian Cheong: i just watched it to the end [28/12/2014, 3:18:30 AM] Ian Cheong: hes not defending CP [28/12/2014, 3:18:37 AM] Ian Cheong: he's attacking some guy who was defending CP on the KIA forums [28/12/2014, 3:35:27 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Rob, gimme whatever email you wanna use [28/12/2014, 3:36:03 AM] Rob: [REDACTED] [28/12/2014, 3:48:52 AM] Rob: BTW Veerender [28/12/2014, 3:48:56 AM] Rob: if you're around [28/12/2014, 3:49:02 AM] Rob: Don't bother arguing with badcop69. He's a pedo apologist. [28/12/2014, 3:49:15 AM] David Gallant: Poor Veerender's get shat on. [28/12/2014, 3:53:07 AM] Veerender Jubbal: I am here! [28/12/2014, 3:53:15 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Yep! I am! [28/12/2014, 3:53:18 AM] Ian Cheong: I should get Costume Quest 2. [28/12/2014, 3:53:27 AM] Rob: Yeah, just want you to know badcop69 is a rather bad fellow. [28/12/2014, 3:53:32 AM] David Gallant: Yes you should, Ian. [28/12/2014, 3:53:37 AM] Ian Cheong: PC or PS4? [28/12/2014, 3:53:39 AM] Ian Cheong: its on sale on both [28/12/2014, 3:53:46 AM] David Gallant: Yes. [28/12/2014, 3:54:09 AM] Rob: Back a few years ago he was on the 'there shouldn't be an age of consent + we should stop being mean to pedophiles, although child rape is bad I guess' side of the pedophole discussion on yt [28/12/2014, 3:54:10 AM] David Gallant: (whichever is where you feel most comfortable playing it) [28/12/2014, 3:56:11 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Someone call the crap out of Mundane Matt. [28/12/2014, 3:56:19 AM] Veerender Jubbal: I am getting crap due to all of him. [28/12/2014, 3:56:28 AM] Rob: He has me blocked [28/12/2014, 3:56:38 AM] David Gallant: I'd have to get unlocked... [28/12/2014, 3:56:47 AM] Ian Cheong: He blocked me. [28/12/2014, 3:57:32 AM] Tesseract: blocked [28/12/2014, 3:57:41 AM] David Gallant: Damnit. [28/12/2014, 4:00:29 AM] Veerender Jubbal: It is fine. [28/12/2014, 4:04:07 AM] David Gallant: Doing my best, Veerender, but my reach is limited. [28/12/2014, 4:04:12 AM] Quinnae: Afternoon, folks. How's things? [28/12/2014, 4:04:18 AM] Veerender Jubbal: It is fine. [28/12/2014, 4:04:23 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Katherine, it got bad. [28/12/2014, 4:04:35 AM] David Gallant: Veerender's been targeted by MundaneMatt and his followers, Katherine. [28/12/2014, 4:04:43 AM] Rob: Hey, Katherine. [28/12/2014, 4:04:45 AM] Quinnae: Ugh, I'm so sorry Veerender. [28/12/2014, 4:04:46 AM] Rob: Sorry he has me blocked, veerender [28/12/2014, 4:04:48 AM] Rob: I'd go fuck with him [28/12/2014, 4:04:55 AM] Quinnae: Tried locking down your feed? [28/12/2014, 4:05:22 AM] Quinnae: There's not much I can do, alas. Calling him out won't do much; it implies he's amenable to moral shaming. [28/12/2014, 4:05:51 AM] Quinnae: People like him are what we call in Spanish "sin vergüenza"-- without shame, but with a stronger connotation. [28/12/2014, 4:06:49 AM] Quinnae: But I'm so so sorry this is happening. That screaming skull looks like he moves from target to target looking for vulnerabilities to exploit. [28/12/2014, 4:07:21 AM] Veerender Jubbal: nods [28/12/2014, 4:07:24 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah, telling him to stop harassing you is just going to encourage him to harass you further. [28/12/2014, 4:07:35 AM] David Gallant: Wondering if I should ever watch the video he did on me. [28/12/2014, 4:07:42 AM] Ian Cheong: No, don't watch it. [28/12/2014, 4:07:46 AM] Ian Cheong: Don't give him the satisfaction. [28/12/2014, 4:08:29 AM] David Gallant: Or the income. [28/12/2014, 4:15:04 AM] Quinnae: hugs everyone else How's things? [28/12/2014, 4:15:30 AM] Athena Hollow: Afternoon all. I think I'm dying. This damn respiratory infection is sucky :-/ [28/12/2014, 4:15:59 AM] Athena Hollow: Don't hug me too much Katherine. Don't need you catching the death lol [28/12/2014, 4:17:03 AM] Dan Olson: So much good convo this morning. Had to skip a bunch. I slept like crap, then my alarm went off, I got angry at it, and crashed super hard and woke up rested and alert at 1pm [28/12/2014, 4:17:20 AM] Dan Olson: anything noteworthy happen aside from the "let's go harass Dina!" thing? [28/12/2014, 4:17:38 AM] Rob: I'm sorry, Athena :C [28/12/2014, 4:17:46 AM] Rob: and I'm hanging in there, Katherine. I just want to be home, heh [28/12/2014, 4:18:11 AM] David Gallant: Aww Athena, respitory shit is the worst. [28/12/2014, 4:18:17 AM] Ian Cheong: Not much, Dan. [28/12/2014, 4:18:21 AM] David Gallant: Hey Dan... who's Dina? [28/12/2014, 4:18:37 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Okay. I have to get off Skype, and do this. [28/12/2014, 4:18:46 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Take care--on Twitter if you need me. [28/12/2014, 4:18:50 AM] Athena Hollow: <3 [28/12/2014, 4:18:56 AM] Athena Hollow: David: petitemistress [28/12/2014, 4:19:19 AM] Ian Cheong: umm [28/12/2014, 4:19:23 AM] Ian Cheong: does anyone want a copy of Bastion on Steam? [28/12/2014, 4:19:26 AM] Ian Cheong: I have two to give away [28/12/2014, 4:19:41 AM] Athena Hollow: I already own it :) So I'm good ^_^ [28/12/2014, 4:20:07 AM] David Gallant: I must have missed what's going on with petitemistress. [28/12/2014, 4:20:10 AM] David Gallant: Shit. [28/12/2014, 4:20:14 AM] David Gallant: I'm good, Ian. [28/12/2014, 4:20:22 AM] Ian Cheong: alrighty. [28/12/2014, 4:20:43 AM] David Gallant: I gotta head out. Take care, folks. [28/12/2014, 4:20:50 AM] Athena Hollow: cya [28/12/2014, 4:20:58 AM] Rob: Later Veerender, David. [28/12/2014, 4:21:02 AM] Rob: And yeah, I already have it, Ian, but thank you [28/12/2014, 4:21:19 AM] Athena Hollow: we're the worst fake gamers ever LOL [28/12/2014, 4:21:36 AM] Ian Cheong: darn [28/12/2014, 4:23:07 AM] Athena Hollow: anyone know the big differences between tropico 3 & 5? I already have 3, but 5s on sale right now >_> [28/12/2014, 4:23:18 AM] Ian Cheong: better graphics. [28/12/2014, 4:23:41 AM] Quinnae: Hey Dan! Noticed you were playing Civ:BE, sorry I missed that! [28/12/2014, 4:25:36 AM] Quinnae: Eek, I hope Dina's alright. sighs [28/12/2014, 4:25:47 AM] Quinnae: I really regret indulging that asinine argument in my mentions last night. [28/12/2014, 4:26:36 AM] Quinnae: I'm trying to withdraw from engaging with the movement or even talking about it too much. I feel like all that can be said now belongs in an academic paper or conference presentation. [28/12/2014, 4:29:59 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah, I'm not talking about GG anymore on Twitter. [28/12/2014, 4:30:07 AM] Ian Cheong: At this point, I feel like we're feeding them. [28/12/2014, 4:30:30 AM] Ian Cheong: The best way to go about fighting them is to document their activities and get the word out through articles and the like. [28/12/2014, 4:31:58 AM] Dan Olson: yeah [28/12/2014, 4:33:24 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Hello! [28/12/2014, 4:36:35 AM] Quinnae: Hey Izzy! [28/12/2014, 4:36:41 AM] Quinnae: rolls Izzy around [28/12/2014, 4:36:45 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): lol [28/12/2014, 4:36:46 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): :) [28/12/2014, 4:36:57 AM] Quinnae: Also, Dan, how'd you like Civ:BE last night? :D [28/12/2014, 4:37:25 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Anything serious happen in the last 12 hours or so? How are Dina & Veerender? [28/12/2014, 4:38:03 AM] Dan Olson: I discovered that I already had a map pack, because the pre-order bonus finally came out end of November [28/12/2014, 4:38:42 AM] Dan Olson: So I'm doing an ARC/Purity military/spy game on one of the no-ocean maps. [28/12/2014, 4:39:55 AM] Dan Olson: Though I might still have the difficulty too low. I don't remember what I was up to before, so I played it safe and went Vostock [28/12/2014, 4:41:27 AM] Dan Olson: the difficulty is generally much more forgiving than Civ V. Like Gemini and Vostock are much easier than even Settler and Cheiftan. [28/12/2014, 4:41:47 AM] Dan Olson: but that might just be my mind playing tricks on me [28/12/2014, 4:42:12 AM] Dan Olson: also I feel like I "get" BE on a much more intuitive level than the mainline Civ games. [28/12/2014, 4:46:07 AM] Quinnae: Interesting. [28/12/2014, 4:46:32 AM] Quinnae: And, Izzy, Veerender's currently neck deep in MundaneMatt aggro, unfortunately, and as usual has dedicated himself to fighting it. [28/12/2014, 4:46:38 AM] Quinnae: Dina, I don't know, alas. [28/12/2014, 4:46:58 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Did Dina get hit hard, too, by Matt's followers? :( [28/12/2014, 4:47:27 AM] Quinnae: Dan, I have to say I rather fell in love with Harmony in BE, conceptually and in terms of how it was fleshed out in its flavour text (although as I wrote, a lot of it is simply unmoored from actual gameplay). [28/12/2014, 4:47:32 AM] Quinnae: I think so, Izzy. [28/12/2014, 4:48:16 AM] Quinnae: Oh, and a bit of GG news courtesy of the Ghazi subreddit. Evidently Hot Wheels has white nationalist sympathies. And, after reading this, I think I feel very, very sorry for him: http://i.imgur.com/PV9KDaf.png [28/12/2014, 4:49:06 AM] Athena Hollow: I pity the pain he goes through, but refuse to let that be a reason as to why he harbors horrible people & is a lying opportunist scumbag. [28/12/2014, 4:49:17 AM] Athena Hollow: Plenty of people go through equally horrific things in their lives without being 'that guy'. [28/12/2014, 4:49:47 AM] Quinnae: Oh no, definitely. But the level of self-hate there, you have to feel sorry. [28/12/2014, 4:50:18 AM] Athena Hollow: I was thinking about that: I wonder if he thinks that if we practiced eugenics, that he would have been born without his disability instead of not born at all. [28/12/2014, 4:50:59 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Yeah, I saw that. Very sad that he thinks that way [28/12/2014, 4:55:45 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Found another series of tweets to add to my "GamerGate is a cult" theme: https://twitter.com/iglvzx/status/548945018258354176 [28/12/2014, 4:55:51 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Ralph is the worst [28/12/2014, 4:56:33 AM] Remy: Hello again, folks. What's the topic of discussion? Fear and Loathing in Las Gaters? [28/12/2014, 4:57:49 AM] Athena Hollow: haha [28/12/2014, 4:58:15 AM] Athena Hollow: And awesome on the documentation, Izzy. It'll help with my "non-religious cult" article whenever I get around to expanding the twitlonger [28/12/2014, 4:59:11 AM] SF: Good afternoon. I read the whole log because Zoe is really interesting. [28/12/2014, 4:59:25 AM] Quinnae: Hah, thanks Izzy, that adds to the sample I'm collecting for research. [28/12/2014, 4:59:33 AM] Quinnae: Zoe is interesting. [28/12/2014, 4:59:50 AM] Quinnae: Alas, I didn't quite read the whole log. Did she say if she called Patreon yet or not? [28/12/2014, 5:01:31 AM] SF: Not that I saw. [28/12/2014, 5:02:04 AM] SF: I'm not expecting good news. I've already likely given up on using them regardless. [28/12/2014, 5:02:46 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): You're welcome, Athena & Katherine. [28/12/2014, 5:02:47 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): :) [28/12/2014, 5:03:51 AM] Quinnae: rolls Izzy around some more [28/12/2014, 5:04:01 AM] Remy: I take it PSN is still down in the US v.v [28/12/2014, 5:04:12 AM] Quinnae: I'm a bit concerned about that myself, SF. I have my fingers crossed. [28/12/2014, 5:09:23 AM] Ian Cheong: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B54ro1QCQAAyxPZ.jpg [28/12/2014, 5:09:26 AM] Ian Cheong: Merry christmas. [28/12/2014, 5:10:01 AM] Remy: omg [28/12/2014, 5:10:02 AM] Remy: Thank you Ian [28/12/2014, 5:10:07 AM] Ian Cheong: Don't feel bad for Foxigon. Dude's ex military and kept using it as a shield for bad behavior. [28/12/2014, 5:10:12 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 5:10:42 AM] Athena Hollow: Was he the one that was all "If you're against gamergate, you're against the troops"? [28/12/2014, 5:10:42 AM] Remy: He's a spoiled brat who was handed a purple heart and loves how much he can guilt trip other people into not disagreeing with him openly because of it [28/12/2014, 5:10:54 AM] Remy: oh yeah [28/12/2014, 5:11:11 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Also, he flashed his purple heart whenever people said GG was a mob or like terrorists [28/12/2014, 5:11:14 AM] Quinnae: Heh, dear oh dear. [28/12/2014, 5:11:14 AM] Remy: He kept releasing photos of himself in uniform holding up the purple heart like a trophy and tweeting it out with the GG hashtag [28/12/2014, 5:11:19 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): yup [28/12/2014, 5:11:23 AM] Athena Hollow: OH THAT GUY. I didn't realize it was him. [28/12/2014, 5:11:34 AM] Remy: Even a civilian knows that is, like... super shitty [28/12/2014, 5:11:36 AM] Quinnae: In a way, being consumed by the movement is a fitting end there. [28/12/2014, 5:11:44 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 5:11:48 AM] Remy: They deserve each other [28/12/2014, 5:11:48 AM] Athena Hollow: I got into a huge argument w/ him early on about how he was a fucking disgrace to the word 'vet' [28/12/2014, 5:11:56 AM] Ian Cheong: The purple heart shouldn't be held up as a medal to defend you from owning up to bad behavior. [28/12/2014, 5:11:58 AM] Remy: I hope Ralph and Foxigon have made lifelong enemies today lol [28/12/2014, 5:13:17 AM] Athena Hollow: bwahahhaah izels blocked me XD [28/12/2014, 5:15:22 AM] Remy: Hey guys [28/12/2014, 5:15:30 AM] Remy: I did an advance search on Foxigon's timeline [28/12/2014, 5:15:37 AM] Remy: He has deleted every single tweet where he mentioned the GG tag [28/12/2014, 5:15:42 AM] Athena Hollow: oh dayum [28/12/2014, 5:15:45 AM] Remy: Except for that last "goodbye GG" tweet I RTed out for fun [28/12/2014, 5:15:47 AM] Ian Cheong: hohho [28/12/2014, 5:15:54 AM] Remy: I guess maybe he figured out child porn was not a good look? [28/12/2014, 5:15:58 AM] Athena Hollow: haha [28/12/2014, 5:16:05 AM] Ian Cheong: If only the rest of them would figure that out. [28/12/2014, 5:16:26 AM] Athena Hollow: Man, when THAT is your limit, and not all the other fucking provable nasty shit... jeez. Well, at least it's better than doubling down. [28/12/2014, 5:16:57 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 5:17:14 AM] Athena Hollow: I do agree that many of them are young, but most of those are fully anon. [28/12/2014, 5:17:21 AM] Athena Hollow: The ones who aren't are the fucking adults who know better [28/12/2014, 5:17:24 AM] Athena Hollow: Fuck. Them. [28/12/2014, 5:17:29 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): "so, it says here that you were a prominent member of the hate group GamerGate? I'm sorry, but we are going to have to decline you for this babysitter position" [28/12/2014, 5:17:39 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 5:19:02 AM] Ian Cheong: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qhpq5/offtopicfunny_some_people_saying_theyre_done_with/ [28/12/2014, 5:19:04 AM] Ian Cheong: this is weird [28/12/2014, 5:19:07 AM] Ian Cheong: she says she sang it on a plane. [28/12/2014, 5:19:09 AM] Ian Cheong: who does that [28/12/2014, 5:19:28 AM] Athena Hollow: someone who wants the entire fucking plane to want to stab her? lol [28/12/2014, 5:20:01 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): o.o [28/12/2014, 5:20:20 AM] Remy: So weird that a non-blocked GG troll account showed up in my mentions [28/12/2014, 5:20:34 AM] SF: That's happened a few times to me recently. [28/12/2014, 5:20:37 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): > Title should be "Do not engage anti-gamer activists". [28/12/2014, 5:20:41 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): they are really pushing this [28/12/2014, 5:20:41 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 5:20:45 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): anti-gamer stuff [28/12/2014, 5:20:46 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): lol [28/12/2014, 5:20:46 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 5:20:51 AM] Ian Cheong: yeah [28/12/2014, 5:21:13 AM] Athena Hollow: I think some of them honestly believe it, but it was obviously started as a gaslighting attempt, as evident by MM's shit. [28/12/2014, 5:21:15 AM] Remy: Actually, there have been a huge mount of notices that are basically "Do NOT argue with people b/c you will lose. Stick to these talking points and nothing else. AND DON'T MENTION YOU'RE FROM GAMERGATE" [28/12/2014, 5:21:32 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): ^ Yeah. noticing that too [28/12/2014, 5:21:38 AM] Ian Cheong: Operation Volcano [28/12/2014, 5:21:49 AM] Athena Hollow: "Our points aren't strong enough to argue, and ya'll are too fucking dumb to not look dumb" [28/12/2014, 5:22:12 AM] Quinnae: Hah [28/12/2014, 5:22:22 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): lol [28/12/2014, 5:23:17 AM] Quinnae: Also I must say, Ian, I was so proud to have my words turned into an infographic :P [28/12/2014, 5:23:24 AM] Quinnae: That was like an "I've arrived" moment. [28/12/2014, 5:24:05 AM] Ian Cheong: hehe [28/12/2014, 5:27:21 AM] Athena Hollow: lol I <3 you Stephen. [28/12/2014, 5:28:20 AM] Ian Cheong: huh, julian gollop spoke against gamergate. guess ill buy his game [28/12/2014, 5:29:38 AM] Remy: I'm sorry if I'm flooding anyone's timeline [28/12/2014, 5:29:52 AM] Remy: That GG troll that showed up in my mentions with no block had just a solid timeline of bigoted slurs [28/12/2014, 5:30:02 AM] Remy: I was like "Seriously how did this fool sneak past Randi's block bot" [28/12/2014, 5:30:21 AM] Athena Hollow: haha Oh it's hilarious to me, but I have them blocked so I probably did it manually. [28/12/2014, 5:30:39 AM] Remy: I'm just gonna end up saving the line of text I use to scan people's timelines for the worst words and phrases. [28/12/2014, 5:30:47 AM] Remy: I bet that's what Matt Binder does [28/12/2014, 5:31:12 AM] SF: Who's Julian Gollop? [28/12/2014, 5:31:18 AM] Remy: I always turn the same codes onto my own timeline just to scrub my vernacular for things I may have thought were acceptable to say in more ignorant times [28/12/2014, 5:31:26 AM] Ian Cheong: creator of XCOM [28/12/2014, 5:31:47 AM] Ian Cheong: his new game is Chaos Reborn [28/12/2014, 5:32:00 AM] Remy: ooh I haven't heard of this [28/12/2014, 5:32:01 AM] Ian Cheong: http://store.steampowered.com/app/319050/ [28/12/2014, 5:32:32 AM] Remy: The description of the game says it is both "fast paced" and "turn based" [28/12/2014, 5:32:49 AM] Remy: c'mon guy [28/12/2014, 5:32:51 AM] Remy: Just be one [28/12/2014, 5:32:52 AM] Ian Cheong: haha [28/12/2014, 5:33:00 AM] Remy: Like just pick one and do it really well [28/12/2014, 5:33:04 AM] Ian Cheong: well you know, some turn-based games like Jagged Alliance 2 are slow. as. fuck. [28/12/2014, 5:33:11 AM] Remy: omg [28/12/2014, 5:33:18 AM] Remy: I had to stop playing that game [28/12/2014, 5:33:20 AM] Ian Cheong: Hearthstone is fast paced. [28/12/2014, 5:33:24 AM] SF: Remember waiting for all the Fallout rats to have their individual turns. [28/12/2014, 5:33:26 AM] Remy: I was like "fuck this XCOM was more fun" [28/12/2014, 5:33:35 AM] Remy: oh god [28/12/2014, 5:33:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: guhhhhhhhh [28/12/2014, 5:33:38 AM] Remy: wolf [28/12/2014, 5:33:38 AM] Ian Cheong: Ugh [28/12/2014, 5:33:40 AM] Remy: yes [28/12/2014, 5:33:48 AM] Remy: And the radscorpions [28/12/2014, 5:33:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: i've been needling Cernovich and he just tweeted the following at me [28/12/2014, 5:33:53 AM] Ian Cheong: and the ants in FO2. [28/12/2014, 5:34:01 AM] Remy: It's like he knows you're thinking of him [28/12/2014, 5:34:11 AM] Remy: His ears were burning so I assume it was a love note [28/12/2014, 5:34:17 AM] SF: I guess he doesn't realize you're a slightly bigger deal than him. [28/12/2014, 5:34:19 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): This was a fun listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbO1YtoUqM8 SUCH NOSTALGIA [28/12/2014, 5:34:23 AM] Chris Kluwe: "I have 80 podcasts, 600 or so blog posts. My words are there. I welcome criticism, Chris, you still know nothing about me." [28/12/2014, 5:34:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: and i want to be like [28/12/2014, 5:34:38 AM] Remy: sure [28/12/2014, 5:34:44 AM] Ian Cheong: Uh-huh. [28/12/2014, 5:34:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: I JUST WADED THROUGH 10 YEARS OF YOUR SHIT, I KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE [28/12/2014, 5:34:47 AM] Remy: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you're a mystery to us, Mike [28/12/2014, 5:35:03 AM] Ian Cheong: That's your ace in the hole, Chris. [28/12/2014, 5:35:07 AM] Remy: An enigma wrapped in a mystery covered in a chocolate intrigue shell [28/12/2014, 5:35:13 AM] Peter Coffin: "I have read your entire blog" [28/12/2014, 5:35:21 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, i know, but not gonna do anything until Alex and Zoe do their things [28/12/2014, 5:35:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: don't want to tip him off [28/12/2014, 5:35:35 AM] Ian Cheong: yep [28/12/2014, 5:35:39 AM] Ian Cheong: good call. [28/12/2014, 5:35:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's just like, the GALL [28/12/2014, 5:35:50 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 5:35:57 AM] Peter Coffin: his defense will be calling you a loser/stalker when you finally do [28/12/2014, 5:36:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: i know [28/12/2014, 5:36:11 AM] Remy: He probably looked at your Wikipedia page and was like "Research is done, now for me smegmercises" [28/12/2014, 5:36:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: i'm already picturing it [28/12/2014, 5:36:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: "You're that low and immature that you had to look up everything about me?" [28/12/2014, 5:36:50 AM] Remy: That actually reminds me [28/12/2014, 5:37:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: definitely screencapping that tweet though for when he inevitably uses that defense [28/12/2014, 5:37:21 AM] Remy: There are times when I am legitimately worried that Mike will learn how much I have tweeted and otherwise joked about his testicles and will be caused to inflate his own ego even more [28/12/2014, 5:37:23 AM] Peter Coffin: good idea [28/12/2014, 5:37:31 AM] Athena Hollow: He's such a douche canoe. [28/12/2014, 5:37:41 AM] Peter Coffin: that he is [28/12/2014, 5:37:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: i seriously think a lot of it is the roids [28/12/2014, 5:38:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: they're amplifying parts of him that were vaguely there at the start of his blog [28/12/2014, 5:38:04 AM] Remy: He drove the over-compensation bus into the fucking ground [28/12/2014, 5:38:04 AM] Athena Hollow: Wouldn't be surprised. I know a few people who dealt with that shit and it was never pretty. [28/12/2014, 5:38:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: but nowhere near as much as they're in evidence now [28/12/2014, 5:38:20 AM] Peter Coffin: I've known people doing roids, they act very similarly [28/12/2014, 5:38:21 AM] nicholas.boterf: Where did Julian Gollop speak out against Gamergate? I’m seeing nothing after several Twitter searches [28/12/2014, 5:38:45 AM] Ian Cheong: i have no idea [28/12/2014, 5:38:51 AM] Ian Cheong: probably in an interview [28/12/2014, 5:39:13 AM] Ian Cheong: this is one of those times [citation needed] applies [28/12/2014, 5:39:25 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/julian_gollop/status/527922540573106177 [28/12/2014, 5:39:52 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/julian_gollop/status/522764192810426368 [28/12/2014, 5:40:11 AM] Ian Cheong: nice. [28/12/2014, 5:40:14 AM] Athena Hollow: :) [28/12/2014, 5:40:15 AM] Quinnae: Update on Zoe: [28/12/2014, 5:40:18 AM] Quinnae: "Thank god I still have a patreon. No strikes, no nothing, was told they can recognize abuse when they see it. Now I can exhale. Fuck." [28/12/2014, 5:40:27 AM] Athena Hollow: thank goodness [28/12/2014, 5:40:34 AM] Ian Cheong: THANK YOU GOD [28/12/2014, 5:40:43 AM] Quinnae: winks at the Goddess [28/12/2014, 5:40:48 AM] Peter Coffin: oh fuck yes [28/12/2014, 5:40:53 AM] Peter Coffin: ahhhh that is important [28/12/2014, 5:41:33 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): YES [28/12/2014, 5:41:59 AM] Peter Coffin: what is their game then, why are they talking so much with juicebro and rogue [28/12/2014, 5:42:08 AM] nicholas.boterf: Good news, Zoe. [28/12/2014, 5:42:09 AM] Peter Coffin: there is something afoot, and I don't think it's against us [28/12/2014, 5:42:36 AM] nicholas.boterf: And thanks Athena for the links.! [28/12/2014, 5:42:39 AM] Remy: YAY [28/12/2014, 5:42:51 AM] Remy: ZOE I knew everything would be okay :D [28/12/2014, 5:43:03 AM] Remy: ONWARD! [28/12/2014, 5:43:03 AM] Ian Cheong: I was honestly worried. [28/12/2014, 5:43:13 AM] Ian Cheong: Because the universe tends to be unjust, you know? [28/12/2014, 5:43:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: so uhhhhhhhhhhhhh [28/12/2014, 5:43:19 AM] Remy: Meh if Slade Villena can scrape past the radar [28/12/2014, 5:43:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: juicebro wants to have an "honest discussion" with me on twitter [28/12/2014, 5:43:36 AM] Remy: Didn't he already accept your challenge to a debate? [28/12/2014, 5:43:38 AM] Athena Hollow: He'd need to know what those words mean first. [28/12/2014, 5:43:44 AM] Remy: Actually I don't even remember who challenged whom [28/12/2014, 5:43:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: he challenged me, but yeah [28/12/2014, 5:43:55 AM] Peter Coffin: he doesn't want to actually. you know that already, too. [28/12/2014, 5:43:57 AM] Remy: lol maybe he's trying to downgrade to a twitter chat. [28/12/2014, 5:43:59 AM] Chris Kluwe: he keeps avoiding when i ask him if he's professionally representing Hotwheels [28/12/2014, 5:44:11 AM] Peter Coffin: lol [28/12/2014, 5:44:14 AM] Peter Coffin: he is then [28/12/2014, 5:44:15 AM] Remy: If he backs out of the debate anymore he'll try and get it downgraded to just being two congruently run AMAs on Reddit [28/12/2014, 5:44:25 AM] Remy: concurrently* [28/12/2014, 5:44:31 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 5:44:33 AM] Remy: w/e fuck you English is a weird language [28/12/2014, 5:44:42 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 5:44:50 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): For whatever reason, the mods of KiA decided to have the Michael Jordan (of mukyou.com) AMA at like 1am last night (Pacific time). [28/12/2014, 5:44:55 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): No one was awake [28/12/2014, 5:44:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: so i sent him the following [28/12/2014, 5:45:14 AM] Remy: PS I will never say "fuck you" to anyone in this room. It will always be a sarcastic throw off phrase [28/12/2014, 5:45:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: "Sure, honest question. Are you professionally representing Fredrick Brennan, aka Hotwheels?" [28/12/2014, 5:45:23 AM] drinternetphd: Patreon just cleared me. No action taken from cernovichs bs raid [28/12/2014, 5:45:33 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): :3 [28/12/2014, 5:45:34 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL Kluwe. [28/12/2014, 5:45:36 AM] Peter Coffin: we saw, congratulations zoe [28/12/2014, 5:45:37 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): \o/ [28/12/2014, 5:45:37 AM] Chris Kluwe: i'm sure he'll answer diligently and speedily [28/12/2014, 5:45:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: and grats zoe! [28/12/2014, 5:45:43 AM] Peter Coffin: i'm sure that means a lot to you [28/12/2014, 5:45:43 AM] Ian Cheong: Hell yeah Zoe. [28/12/2014, 5:45:47 AM] drinternetphd: Kluwe he did respond [28/12/2014, 5:45:51 AM] Remy: Remy throws a :3 cat at Zoe [28/12/2014, 5:45:52 AM] drinternetphd: But he deleted it [28/12/2014, 5:45:56 AM] Athena Hollow: HAH [28/12/2014, 5:45:58 AM] drinternetphd: But I screencapped it [28/12/2014, 5:46:00 AM] drinternetphd: So [28/12/2014, 5:46:02 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 5:46:03 AM] Athena Hollow: HAHHHAHAHHA [28/12/2014, 5:46:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: WUT [28/12/2014, 5:46:13 AM] Remy: These folks always seem to think the internet stops being permanent for misogynists [28/12/2014, 5:46:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: LINK PRZ [28/12/2014, 5:46:14 AM] Ian Cheong: WHAT [28/12/2014, 5:46:27 AM] drinternetphd: You tweeted it at him, yeah? [28/12/2014, 5:46:37 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh multiple times [28/12/2014, 5:46:48 AM] drinternetphd: Yeah. Lemme get to my computer. 1 sec [28/12/2014, 5:46:54 AM] Remy: :3 [28/12/2014, 5:47:00 AM] Remy: Zoe is about to give us a nice present [28/12/2014, 5:47:05 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): \o/ [28/12/2014, 5:47:10 AM] Peter Coffin: hahahaa yes indeed [28/12/2014, 5:47:12 AM] Ian Cheong: \o/ [28/12/2014, 5:47:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: i think he understands that either way he loses if he answers that [28/12/2014, 5:47:23 AM] Chris Kluwe: either he's no longer BasedLawyer [28/12/2014, 5:47:26 AM] Chris Kluwe: or he's protecting CP [28/12/2014, 5:47:27 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 5:47:44 AM] Remy: And with one simple question he now knows how easily he can fit between a rock and a hard place [28/12/2014, 5:47:51 AM] Peter Coffin: that is the kind of situation we need to get these people into though [28/12/2014, 5:47:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: exactly [28/12/2014, 5:48:02 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, that's why i keep hammering him with it [28/12/2014, 5:48:22 AM] Remy: It's like playing a verbal game of snake [28/12/2014, 5:48:25 AM] Remy: And you're the clock [28/12/2014, 5:48:33 AM] Peter Coffin: if they dodge a question, ask it again and again and again, that is the question that they are weak to [28/12/2014, 5:48:34 AM] Remy: Really the goal is just to let them talk until they run out of wiggle room [28/12/2014, 5:48:50 AM] Ian Cheong: Give them enough rope to hang themselves with. [28/12/2014, 5:48:56 AM] Remy: yup [28/12/2014, 5:48:56 AM] Peter Coffin: bingo [28/12/2014, 5:49:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: his latest response [28/12/2014, 5:49:22 AM] drinternetphd: kluwe: http://i.gyazo.com/df66043cf9be9c2904b800654484d6d3.png [28/12/2014, 5:49:29 AM] Chris Kluwe: "That's not yes or no question, as you know. Is a kawyer who draws up a contract for you still your lawyer? It depends." [28/12/2014, 5:49:48 AM] Remy: oh wow [28/12/2014, 5:49:55 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh yeah, saw that one [28/12/2014, 5:50:01 AM] drinternetphd: this is the url if it helps https://twitter.com/PlayDangerously/status/547947529300480000 [28/12/2014, 5:50:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: i'm trying to pin him down on representing hotwheels right now for the CP stuff [28/12/2014, 5:50:13 AM] drinternetphd: ahh [28/12/2014, 5:50:44 AM] Remy: It's interesting to see him slow down and start tap dancing [28/12/2014, 5:50:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: haah yeah [28/12/2014, 5:50:53 AM] Chris Kluwe: he wants no part of it [28/12/2014, 5:51:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: i actually wouldn't be surprised if he was furiously texting Randazza right now [28/12/2014, 5:51:57 AM] Peter Coffin: he barked up the wrong tree with hotwheels [28/12/2014, 5:52:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh yeah he did [28/12/2014, 5:52:09 AM] Peter Coffin: that's as close to saying that as he's going to come [28/12/2014, 5:52:25 AM] Ian Cheong: Hotwheels outing himself as a hardline white nationalist is pretty great. [28/12/2014, 5:52:30 AM] drinternetphd: wait [28/12/2014, 5:52:31 AM] drinternetphd: where [28/12/2014, 5:52:36 AM] drinternetphd: cause that's a lifetime ban from patreon [28/12/2014, 5:52:37 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's the whole problem with this thing though, is that none of them can admit they may have made a mistake [28/12/2014, 5:52:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: sec, i linked it earlier [28/12/2014, 5:52:49 AM] Remy: It's on his 8chan page [28/12/2014, 5:52:49 AM] Ian Cheong: http://i.imgur.com/PV9KDaf.png [28/12/2014, 5:52:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: some nice person in Ghazi found the 8chan thread [28/12/2014, 5:52:52 AM] Ian Cheong: There. [28/12/2014, 5:52:54 AM] Ian Cheong: Have fun with that Zoe. [28/12/2014, 5:53:17 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): It's honestly kind of sad. Seems that he is for Eugenics because he thinks it would have prevented his disability [28/12/2014, 5:53:30 AM] drinternetphd: submit that to their [email protected] email [28/12/2014, 5:53:33 AM] Ian Cheong: He's an idiot. It would have prevented his very existence. [28/12/2014, 5:53:36 AM] drinternetphd: with a link to his patreon page [28/12/2014, 5:53:40 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Ian, of course [28/12/2014, 5:53:47 AM] Peter Coffin: exactly ian [28/12/2014, 5:53:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: here's the archived thread [28/12/2014, 5:53:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: https://t.co/3xc8UNeSeA [28/12/2014, 5:53:58 AM] Chris Kluwe: standard chan warning of stupidity [28/12/2014, 5:54:03 AM] drinternetphd: thank you thank you thank you [28/12/2014, 5:54:07 AM] Ian Cheong: let's all email PAtreon [28/12/2014, 5:54:12 AM] Ian Cheong: I'm writing one up now [28/12/2014, 5:54:19 AM] drinternetphd: don't [28/12/2014, 5:54:29 AM] drinternetphd: maybe do it if they don't respond to the first thing [28/12/2014, 5:54:34 AM] Ian Cheong: ahh yeah [28/12/2014, 5:54:42 AM] drinternetphd: but just one person send one email [28/12/2014, 5:54:46 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): ah [28/12/2014, 5:54:47 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): ok [28/12/2014, 5:54:56 AM] drinternetphd: I'm still a little jittery from all this so if someone else could take this I'd be greatful [28/12/2014, 5:54:59 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, looking like we're brigading is bad juju [28/12/2014, 5:55:01 AM] Ian Cheong: who wants to do it? I've already reported other people so i don't think they want to hear from me too much. [28/12/2014, 5:55:09 AM] drinternetphd: but they're kind of leery of getting hit with massive outcry because that's what GG does [28/12/2014, 5:55:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: i can do it, i've been pretty active about it on twitter today [28/12/2014, 5:55:21 AM] Ian Cheong: great. [28/12/2014, 5:55:22 AM] drinternetphd: thanks man [28/12/2014, 5:56:39 AM] Peter Coffin: "I'm professional football player Chris Klewe. The administrator of 8chan is a white nationalist." like Troy Mcclure [28/12/2014, 5:58:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: here's what i wrote [28/12/2014, 5:58:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: Hello, it has come to my attention that one of your Patreon members, Fredrick Brennan, aka Hotwheels (the owner of 8chan) has written an article for the Daily Stormer (a neo-Nazi site), and has expressed a wish to write more articles for that site. I believe that this violates the terms of services of Patreon, and hope that this information proves useful to your company in protecting its image. Archived link of the entire thread here, Brennan is the moderator with the wheelchair symbol https://t.co/3xc8UNeSeA Screenshot here http://i.imgur.com/PV9KDaf.png Thank you, and have a nice day! -Chris [28/12/2014, 5:58:16 AM] Ian Cheong: Looks good. [28/12/2014, 5:58:36 AM] Athena Hollow: (y) [28/12/2014, 5:58:42 AM] drinternetphd: very good. [28/12/2014, 5:59:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: and sent [28/12/2014, 5:59:09 AM] Peter Coffin: Excellent [28/12/2014, 5:59:26 AM] Ian Cheong: Today really delivered. [28/12/2014, 5:59:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: automated reply sent back, would imagine they won't get back to me for a couple hours or so [28/12/2014, 5:59:40 AM] Peter Coffin: Indeed [28/12/2014, 5:59:58 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh, their automated reply image is great [28/12/2014, 6:00:05 AM] Veerender Jubbal: I cannot with this today. [28/12/2014, 6:00:14 AM] Veerender Jubbal: It has been five hours. [28/12/2014, 6:00:18 AM] Ian Cheong: RogueStar's patreon is gone. [28/12/2014, 6:00:25 AM] Chris Kluwe: haha [28/12/2014, 6:00:29 AM] Chris Kluwe: but how will he finish his game? [28/12/2014, 6:00:34 AM] Athena Hollow: They essentially implemented a "Rogue Rule" XD [28/12/2014, 6:00:36 AM] Peter Coffin: Lol [28/12/2014, 6:00:43 AM] Ian Cheong: Sorry Veerender. [28/12/2014, 6:01:00 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Fuck Mundane Matt. [28/12/2014, 6:01:02 AM] Remy: lol I leave my twitter for five minutes [28/12/2014, 6:01:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: that guy's such a fucking douche [28/12/2014, 6:01:23 AM] Remy: And it's mentions are filled with Gaters trying to explain how saying "Don't be a double n--ger" isn't racist b/c their friend thought it was funny [28/12/2014, 6:01:27 AM] Athena Hollow: A rule of Authenticity: No Pranks To "Not" do Something People who simply don't produce content. [28/12/2014, 6:01:36 AM] Athena Hollow: aka: The Rogue Rule LOL [28/12/2014, 6:01:47 AM] Peter Coffin: Matt is shit [28/12/2014, 6:02:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: trololololol [28/12/2014, 6:02:09 AM] Athena Hollow: lol holy shit Stephen [28/12/2014, 6:02:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: the exodus begins [28/12/2014, 6:02:15 AM] Chris Kluwe: check this out [28/12/2014, 6:02:34 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Well, Mundane Matt--made everyone attack me, since last night. [28/12/2014, 6:02:43 AM] drinternetphd: : ( oh no you too? [28/12/2014, 6:02:52 AM] Veerender Jubbal: I have been dealing with garbage for five hours right now. [28/12/2014, 6:02:52 AM] drinternetphd: are you documenting all that? [28/12/2014, 6:02:58 AM] Chris Kluwe: Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero 5m5 minutes ago @ChrisWarcraft @playdangerously Catching up on stuff. Is this the founder of 8chan talking about writing for the Daily Stormer? Not cool. [28/12/2014, 6:03:13 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 6:03:16 AM] Ian Cheong: YES [28/12/2014, 6:03:17 AM] drinternetphd: oh my~ [28/12/2014, 6:03:19 AM] Veerender Jubbal: https://twitter.com/mundanematt/status/548712926853742592 [28/12/2014, 6:03:23 AM] Veerender Jubbal: It was from that. [28/12/2014, 6:03:24 AM] Remy: wow nice [28/12/2014, 6:03:27 AM] Remy: Sorry [28/12/2014, 6:03:32 AM] Remy: I'm just shocked to hear that coming from Mil [28/12/2014, 6:03:33 AM] Remy: Milo* [28/12/2014, 6:03:34 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Zoe, he is bothering you, too? [28/12/2014, 6:03:42 AM] Remy: lIke is Milo being the voice of reason today? [28/12/2014, 6:04:05 AM] drinternetphd: veerender: he made the first accusations about me banging nathan for coverage [28/12/2014, 6:04:09 AM] Rob: I don't think he's being he voice of reason so much as he's aware that shit like Eugenics won't fly [28/12/2014, 6:04:10 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Also, got garbage for my turban, again. [28/12/2014, 6:04:19 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Oh, God. [28/12/2014, 6:04:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero 3m3 minutes ago @PlayDangerously @ChrisWarcraft I’d like to hear what he has to say about it but my first response—obviously—is: yuck. [28/12/2014, 6:04:27 AM] Ian Cheong: @PlayDangerously @ChrisWarcraft I’d like to hear what he has to say about it but my first response—obviously—is: yuck. [28/12/2014, 6:04:30 AM] Athena Hollow: Milo is also the type who says HE can be anti-Semitic, but not anyone else [28/12/2014, 6:04:49 AM] Ian Cheong: Beat me to the punch Kluwe. [28/12/2014, 6:04:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: i wonder if i should go post this in KiA [28/12/2014, 6:04:56 AM] Rob: I think Milo's looking for a way to bolt after he writes his book [28/12/2014, 6:04:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: i think they'll take it well [28/12/2014, 6:05:08 AM] drinternetphd: veerender - if you screenshot all of the shit you have the gumption to from MundaneMatt, send it to patreon [28/12/2014, 6:05:13 AM] drinternetphd: he is not allowed to do this [28/12/2014, 6:05:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, pretty sure he's now realizing what he's shackled himself to [28/12/2014, 6:05:36 AM] Athena Hollow: I'm still not unconvinced Milo hasn't planned all along to write a tell all about how he led a group of dumb deranged gamers to the cliff. [28/12/2014, 6:05:55 AM] drinternetphd: milo's an opportunist and probably wants to find the next bs thing to attach himself to like a leech with hair that looks like a dishrag [28/12/2014, 6:05:56 AM] Veerender Jubbal: That might take awhile for me to do--but sure. [28/12/2014, 6:06:03 AM] Chris Kluwe: and if it hasn't occurred to him, it probably will shortly [28/12/2014, 6:06:11 AM] Ian Cheong: Godspeed, Veerender. [28/12/2014, 6:06:15 AM] drinternetphd: hahaha milo is gonna be pissed when he sees my agent can eat his agent [28/12/2014, 6:06:18 AM] Rob: Like, Milo's a total self-interested scumbag. Drawing the line at eugenics and openly white nationalist shit isn't an ethical decision for him, it's a business decision. [28/12/2014, 6:06:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: good luck Veerender [28/12/2014, 6:06:31 AM] drinternetphd: when I announce the book I'm recreating his stupid photo [28/12/2014, 6:06:34 AM] Rob: He knows GG has peaked, so he has to cash his chips and get out and go on to the next thing. [28/12/2014, 6:06:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh definitely [28/12/2014, 6:06:39 AM] Athena Hollow: LMFAO [28/12/2014, 6:06:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: i told that to juicebro earlier too [28/12/2014, 6:06:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: i know they're in it for the money [28/12/2014, 6:06:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: i just want the rest of the idiots to realize that [28/12/2014, 6:07:00 AM] drinternetphd: also my agent? don't leak cause I am not sure when we're announcing but [28/12/2014, 6:07:01 AM] Veerender Jubbal: Going to take the night off. Take care, friends. It means a lot. [28/12/2014, 6:07:03 AM] drinternetphd: it's Ross-Yoon [28/12/2014, 6:07:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: tace care! [28/12/2014, 6:07:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: ahem [28/12/2014, 6:07:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: take care! [28/12/2014, 6:07:16 AM] Rob: I'm surprised it took Paul Elam so long to have AVfM latch on to gamergate. [28/12/2014, 6:07:27 AM] Ian Cheong: That's awesome Zoe. [28/12/2014, 6:07:30 AM] Athena Hollow: Elam has a love/hate relationship w/ gg [28/12/2014, 6:07:31 AM] Rob: If he was smart he would have done it back in August. [28/12/2014, 6:07:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: and congrats zoe [28/12/2014, 6:07:35 AM] Rob: Awesome, zoe! [28/12/2014, 6:07:42 AM] Athena Hollow: He lost his fucking cookies about hating women before it was cool [28/12/2014, 6:07:46 AM] drinternetphd: my agent only really represents pulitzer winners and nyt bestsellers [28/12/2014, 6:07:52 AM] drinternetphd: she hasn't NOT sold a pitch ever [28/12/2014, 6:07:56 AM] Athena Hollow: awesome! [28/12/2014, 6:07:58 AM] Ian Cheong: I wonder [28/12/2014, 6:08:04 AM] drinternetphd: also she is fun to drink with and "gets" my approach to creativity [28/12/2014, 6:08:06 AM] Peter Coffin: That's bad as Fuck [28/12/2014, 6:08:08 AM] Ian Cheong: What if you won a Pulitzer. [28/12/2014, 6:08:11 AM] drinternetphd: lol shut up [28/12/2014, 6:08:18 AM] Ian Cheong: hehe [28/12/2014, 6:08:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: hahaha, the gross parts of the internet would implode [28/12/2014, 6:08:35 AM] Athena Hollow: MUST. MAKE. HAPPEN. [28/12/2014, 6:08:39 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 6:08:46 AM] drinternetphd: the way I'm doing it makes it unlikely probably [28/12/2014, 6:09:00 AM] Peter Coffin: How so [28/12/2014, 6:09:02 AM] drinternetphd: my longform shit borrows super heavily from david sedaris, format-wise [28/12/2014, 6:09:15 AM] Peter Coffin: Hmm [28/12/2014, 6:09:26 AM] drinternetphd: so it'll be a series of anecdotes that are one chapter each that serve to illustrate how the internet is batshit when it collides with real life [28/12/2014, 6:09:39 AM] drinternetphd: and how dumb that is because the internet IS real life we've just all convinced ourselves it isn't for some reason [28/12/2014, 6:09:44 AM] Peter Coffin: That doesn't mean it can't win a Pulitzer. No pressure. [28/12/2014, 6:09:48 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 6:09:49 AM] Peter Coffin: Lol [28/12/2014, 6:09:53 AM] drinternetphd: lol [28/12/2014, 6:09:55 AM] drinternetphd: fuck you guys [28/12/2014, 6:09:59 AM] Athena Hollow: <3 [28/12/2014, 6:10:02 AM] drinternetphd: I'm going to dedicate the book to farts [28/12/2014, 6:10:02 AM] Ian Cheong: lol [28/12/2014, 6:10:03 AM] Ian Cheong: <3 [28/12/2014, 6:10:08 AM] drinternetphd: then it will never win anything [28/12/2014, 6:10:12 AM] Athena Hollow: Kav will love it. [28/12/2014, 6:10:16 AM] Peter Coffin: Haha [28/12/2014, 6:10:16 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 6:10:24 AM] Remy: I thought you were going to dedicated it to butts [28/12/2014, 6:10:26 AM] Peter Coffin: Yes she will [28/12/2014, 6:10:28 AM] Remy: Not Sarah, just, y'know, butts [28/12/2014, 6:10:32 AM] drinternetphd: wait [28/12/2014, 6:10:35 AM] drinternetphd: butts might be better [28/12/2014, 6:10:39 AM] Remy: :D [28/12/2014, 6:10:39 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 6:10:40 AM] drinternetphd: don't want fart to continue thinking it was a shoutout [28/12/2014, 6:10:45 AM] Rob: Mmmm, butts [28/12/2014, 6:10:47 AM] Peter Coffin: True [28/12/2014, 6:10:49 AM] Remy: Dedicating a book to butts [28/12/2014, 6:10:52 AM] Remy: it's what Tina would do [28/12/2014, 6:10:55 AM] Peter Coffin: He's is just that insane [28/12/2014, 6:10:57 AM] Athena Hollow: haha [28/12/2014, 6:10:58 AM] drinternetphd: maybe I should thank lizard illuminati jesus because through him all things are possible [28/12/2014, 6:11:03 AM] Athena Hollow: XD [28/12/2014, 6:11:05 AM] drinternetphd: and he is the source of my fell powers [28/12/2014, 6:11:21 AM] drinternetphd: or my fake internet lawyer, leonard j crabs [28/12/2014, 6:11:29 AM] SF: They'd take it as admission you're secretly Sarah. [28/12/2014, 6:11:35 AM] Athena Hollow: Your Uncle in the CIA? [28/12/2014, 6:11:39 AM] drinternetphd: lol [28/12/2014, 6:11:45 AM] Ian Cheong: Your uncle who works at Nintendo [28/12/2014, 6:11:48 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 6:11:49 AM] drinternetphd: i dedicate this book to the truck behind the ss anne [28/12/2014, 6:11:52 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 6:11:53 AM] Athena Hollow: haha [28/12/2014, 6:12:29 AM] Chris Kluwe: i dedicate this book to MewTwo and Aeris [28/12/2014, 6:12:37 AM] drinternetphd: rip [28/12/2014, 6:12:48 AM] Athena Hollow: hahahaha [28/12/2014, 6:12:50 AM] Quinnae: chuckles [28/12/2014, 6:13:21 AM] drinternetphd: i dedicate this book to my beautiful, ever loving and faithful partner, sonic the hedgehog [28/12/2014, 6:13:33 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): DeviantArt all over again [28/12/2014, 6:13:36 AM] Athena Hollow: NO SANIC NO [28/12/2014, 6:13:40 AM] Quinnae: The ever spiky and faithful partner. [28/12/2014, 6:13:47 AM] drinternetphd: may he always go fast [28/12/2014, 6:13:53 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): book: gotta sell fast [28/12/2014, 6:14:05 AM] Ian Cheong: Fastest book to hit the NY Times Bestseller list, eh? [28/12/2014, 6:14:10 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): omg [28/12/2014, 6:14:17 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 6:14:18 AM] Quinnae: Just catching up with all this. [28/12/2014, 6:14:29 AM] Quinnae: From the way you described it, Zoe, I do think you have a best seller on your hands. [28/12/2014, 6:14:43 AM] drinternetphd: aaaa idk [28/12/2014, 6:14:45 AM] drinternetphd: the goal is like [28/12/2014, 6:14:45 AM] Ian Cheong: This could be the book that defines what it's like to live on the internet. [28/12/2014, 6:14:51 AM] drinternetphd: start out with some sweet internet stuff [28/12/2014, 6:14:56 AM] drinternetphd: how it gave me pretty much everything I have [28/12/2014, 6:15:01 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): I'm playing Halo 4 right now. IDK why I get so scared over these kind of games with aliens and stuff [28/12/2014, 6:15:14 AM] drinternetphd: try and kill the notion of needing to delineate between "real" friends and "internet" friends [28/12/2014, 6:15:20 AM] Ian Cheong: I have the internet to thank for all that I have, too. [28/12/2014, 6:15:26 AM] Athena Hollow: Same. [28/12/2014, 6:15:27 AM] drinternetphd: start out in the shirt [28/12/2014, 6:15:28 AM] drinternetphd: *shire [28/12/2014, 6:15:35 AM] drinternetphd: lead them through mordor that is gamergate [28/12/2014, 6:15:38 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 6:15:40 AM] Ian Cheong: Be they friends, professional success, or whatever. It's the internet. [28/12/2014, 6:15:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero · 9m 9 minutes ago @The_TimelessOne @PlayDangerously @ChrisWarcraft @infinitechan Yes, fine. Can’t really avoid addressing this in the book now I’ve seen it. [28/12/2014, 6:15:57 AM] drinternetphd: juxtaposing the small moments of GG so they feel like they're traveling through my story with me [28/12/2014, 6:16:06 AM] drinternetphd: using selected anecdotes to make specific points about all this [28/12/2014, 6:16:10 AM] SF: Dedicate it to Sonic with a really divisive comment that the community disagrees with so it goes viral. [28/12/2014, 6:16:11 AM] Athena Hollow: Pretty much all of the people who are my friends, I met online, including my husband. [28/12/2014, 6:16:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: omg [28/12/2014, 6:16:18 AM] SF: Like say you like the American soundtrack to CD better. [28/12/2014, 6:16:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: these arguments [28/12/2014, 6:16:19 AM] drinternetphd: leading up to the judge telling me none of it mattered because internet [28/12/2014, 6:16:19 AM] Athena Hollow: ooooooooo [28/12/2014, 6:16:35 AM] drinternetphd: and probably wrapping up with the conversation I had with Anita before getting on a plane to come here [28/12/2014, 6:16:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: "If I write an opinion piece for Time Magazine does that mean I agree with Time Magazine?" [28/12/2014, 6:16:57 AM] drinternetphd: so basically get really friendly with the reader, completely crush their spirits, and then lead them back out of it with an eye for rebuilding and reform [28/12/2014, 6:17:12 AM] Athena Hollow: Sounds like a good structure to me. [28/12/2014, 6:17:13 AM] Ian Cheong: I dig that. [28/12/2014, 6:17:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: "I'm still waiting for Chris & co to disown holocaust, genocide & even the bulliyng rhetoric Nothin yet" [28/12/2014, 6:17:27 AM] drinternetphd: chris did someone say that [28/12/2014, 6:17:32 AM] drinternetphd: because I have the tweet for youuuuu [28/12/2014, 6:17:35 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): lol [28/12/2014, 6:17:35 AM] Remy: ol [28/12/2014, 6:17:36 AM] Chris Kluwe: random twitterer, yes [28/12/2014, 6:17:59 AM] Ian Cheong: If I write for I Hate Mexicans Monthly does that mean I hate mexicans? [28/12/2014, 6:18:03 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 6:18:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: @ChrisWarcraft @PlayDangerously ITT: Ad Hominem. Chris, 8chan is a message board. Not a personal blog Do you endorse everything Gakwer says? [28/12/2014, 6:18:21 AM] Quinnae: As someone who is often mistaken for Mexican, I take exception to that Ian! [28/12/2014, 6:18:27 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): lol [28/12/2014, 6:18:33 AM] SF: Wow how do they manage to get enough Mexican hating content to publish every month. [28/12/2014, 6:18:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: /v/eteran spice chef @OhNoes_Zombies 3m3 minutes ago @ChrisWarcraft @PlayDangerously I disagree with his opinions if those are really his opinions., he could be deliberately being edgy. [28/12/2014, 6:18:43 AM] drinternetphd: kluwe: http://i.gyazo.com/270c3018a238f901d1ff2c44dfe5931d.png [28/12/2014, 6:18:50 AM] Quinnae: Deliberately... edgy... Augh. Fuck these people. [28/12/2014, 6:18:53 AM] Chris Kluwe: /v/eteran spice chef @OhNoes_Zombies 2m2 minutes ago .@ChrisWarcraft @PlayDangerously Chris, let's be honest. You write for Gawker. Are you telling me Gawker doesn't do the same for traffic? [28/12/2014, 6:18:57 AM] Athena Hollow: Yeah, they don't seem to get nuance at all. Writing for a white supremacist/nationalist website is very specifically niche, while Time or Gawker cover tons of topics. And even there, many people speak out about them ALL THE TIME. [28/12/2014, 6:19:02 AM] Rob: I love all the gaters/mras/antitheists who misuse logical fallacies all the time [28/12/2014, 6:19:02 AM] Chris Kluwe: /v/eteran spice chef @OhNoes_Zombies 2m2 minutes ago .@ChrisWarcraft @PlayDangerously Because I see no difference between publishing articles talking about the "joys" of horse sex and this. 1/ [28/12/2014, 6:19:10 AM] Ian Cheong: "deliberately being edgy," and defended to the death. cool. funny how I don't get the same luxury. [28/12/2014, 6:19:15 AM] Rob: "THAT'S A... uh... AN E PLURIBUS UNUM POST HOC ERGO FALLACY!" [28/12/2014, 6:19:25 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): WINGUARDIUM LEVIOSA FALLACY [28/12/2014, 6:19:25 AM] Quinnae: laughs [28/12/2014, 6:19:38 AM] Athena Hollow: Of course not Ian. You're the enemy. [28/12/2014, 6:19:42 AM] SF: Wait what is the horse sex thing even about [28/12/2014, 6:19:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: LATINUS LATINIUM ERGO AD HOC TELEPROMPTER [28/12/2014, 6:19:48 AM] Rob: :D [28/12/2014, 6:19:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: no idea [28/12/2014, 6:19:51 AM] drinternetphd: the corpus callosum phallusy (you are being a weiner) [28/12/2014, 6:19:55 AM] Chris Kluwe: horse sex, apparently [28/12/2014, 6:20:20 AM] Athena Hollow: Even when Milo said after his last article "If it hadn't been video games that caused Roder to kill, it would have been another form of media" and had them lapping it up off his balls... they still think he loves gamers. [28/12/2014, 6:20:24 AM] Ian Cheong: Sorry if I'm bitter, lol. These fucking people. [28/12/2014, 6:20:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: cernovich tried to defend hotwheels by linking me to your post, ian, and saying "Sound like something an edgy teenager would say" [28/12/2014, 6:20:37 AM] SF: No I totally feel you. I bet a lot of us were edgy 15 years ago. [28/12/2014, 6:20:53 AM] drinternetphd: yup [28/12/2014, 6:20:58 AM] Peter Coffin: I was edgy 8 years ago [28/12/2014, 6:21:01 AM] Peter Coffin: 5 even [28/12/2014, 6:21:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: and i responded with "No. Hotwheels is a grown person making a conscious choice. FU" [28/12/2014, 6:21:12 AM] Peter Coffin: why the hell do you think I used to be big on youtube [28/12/2014, 6:21:17 AM] Ian Cheong: For real, Chris. [28/12/2014, 6:21:26 AM] SF: I was lucky enough to fall in with people that believed they were literal werewolves or whatever. Same kind of teenage passion, but a significantly less sticky topic. I bet I could have fallen in with worse people and teen me wouldn't have understood the difference, just seen a fast track to identity-having. [28/12/2014, 6:21:33 AM] drinternetphd: oh god [28/12/2014, 6:21:38 AM] drinternetphd: I dated an otakukin once [28/12/2014, 6:21:40 AM] Ian Cheong: Thanks for that, btw. [28/12/2014, 6:21:46 AM] drinternetphd: so I feel ya [28/12/2014, 6:22:02 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, if half the shit i said on the old ream forum boards was still around [28/12/2014, 6:22:07 AM] SF: Now I just want to fuck werewolves because I am a mature adult. [28/12/2014, 6:22:14 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 6:22:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: i mean, it wasn't 8chan levels of degeneracy, but i went in the paint pretty hard [28/12/2014, 6:22:29 AM] Peter Coffin: good reason to fuck a werewolf [28/12/2014, 6:22:45 AM] Remy: OMG I'm saving this picture to pull out every time I see some twerp trying to show off their guns on the internet http://thechive.com/2014/12/27/best-cats-of-2014-72-photos/best-cats-2014-10/ [28/12/2014, 6:22:47 AM] SF: You know I try to respect everyone's identity or religion even when I privately find it ridiculous but OTAKUKIN, MAN [28/12/2014, 6:22:57 AM] drinternetphd: i had a bad case of internet toughguy bullshit before I moved out of the small town I lived in [28/12/2014, 6:23:08 AM] drinternetphd: sf: he thought he was sailor uranus reincarnated and I was sailor neptune [28/12/2014, 6:23:20 AM] Athena Hollow: .... [28/12/2014, 6:23:23 AM] Ian Cheong: So that's what an otakukin isl. [28/12/2014, 6:23:25 AM] Ian Cheong: I had no idea. [28/12/2014, 6:23:26 AM] Chris Kluwe: everyone's gotta have a dream [28/12/2014, 6:23:32 AM] drinternetphd: saw him years later (I was like 14 at the time) and kinda asked about it and he was like "yeah no I'm over that. I figured out I'm really Cloud." [28/12/2014, 6:23:38 AM] Athena Hollow: hahahah [28/12/2014, 6:23:40 AM] Ian Cheong: Hahahahahaha [28/12/2014, 6:23:42 AM] SF: oh noooo [28/12/2014, 6:23:44 AM] Peter Coffin: hahahahahahahaa [28/12/2014, 6:23:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: <cue latin chanting> [28/12/2014, 6:23:48 AM] drinternetphd: he is a manager at a best buy these days [28/12/2014, 6:23:51 AM] SF: I wonder how many Shadow the Hedgehogs there are. [28/12/2014, 6:23:54 AM] Athena Hollow: XD [28/12/2014, 6:23:55 AM] Remy: "otakukin"? [28/12/2014, 6:24:00 AM] drinternetphd: yeah like otherkin [28/12/2014, 6:24:01 AM] Peter Coffin: cloud is a manager at best buy? [28/12/2014, 6:24:07 AM] Athena Hollow: Believe they are reincarnated anime style characters. [28/12/2014, 6:24:08 AM] drinternetphd: but anime [28/12/2014, 6:24:09 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah people who think they are anime characters reincarnated as humans. [28/12/2014, 6:24:22 AM] Remy: I've bumped into a surprising amount of young men who desperately claim to believe that Pokemon are real in another universe/on another planet [28/12/2014, 6:24:23 AM] SF: Man it pisses me off when being trans gets lumped in with 'kin [28/12/2014, 6:24:41 AM] Peter Coffin: I can't figure out why /s [28/12/2014, 6:24:41 AM] Remy: And by "young men" I do mean people who should be old enough to know better. And should not be allowed to drive until they get that checked out. [28/12/2014, 6:24:43 AM] drinternetphd: as long as we're all clear on one thing [28/12/2014, 6:24:45 AM] Ian Cheong: Hey, hey, folks, I used to think I was a psychic vampire when I was like 14. [28/12/2014, 6:24:48 AM] drinternetphd: sonic is my husband and not yours [28/12/2014, 6:24:51 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 6:24:52 AM] SF: Whether you are or are not literally a particular anime character is IN MY HUMBLE OPINION not a social construct. [28/12/2014, 6:24:53 AM] drinternetphd: (I am not being serious) [28/12/2014, 6:25:04 AM] Peter Coffin: fuck off, sonic's mine. [28/12/2014, 6:25:12 AM] drinternetphd: that's a fake sonic [28/12/2014, 6:25:15 AM] SF: You can have him. I'm over him. He's hurt me too many times. [28/12/2014, 6:25:18 AM] drinternetphd: your sonic is a fake sonic [28/12/2014, 6:25:20 AM] Peter Coffin: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [28/12/2014, 6:25:25 AM] drinternetphd: only my husbando is the real article [28/12/2014, 6:25:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: and what's really crazy, is that if we had all been born 200 years from now (assuming the human race doesn't kill itself off) all that stuff will probably be possible with nano/biotech [28/12/2014, 6:25:27 AM] Ian Cheong: Gotta go fast. [28/12/2014, 6:25:30 AM] Remy: North Sonic is Best Sonic [28/12/2014, 6:25:31 AM] drinternetphd: (I have seriously heard conversations like this) [28/12/2014, 6:25:33 AM] Quinnae: laughs [28/12/2014, 6:25:45 AM] drinternetphd: speak for yourself dude I'm already going biotech [28/12/2014, 6:25:45 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah biotech is going to be fun/terrifying. [28/12/2014, 6:25:46 AM] Quinnae: Don't mind me, I'm just amusing myself here. [28/12/2014, 6:25:55 AM] SF: My waifu is Renamon and Milo can't have her. [28/12/2014, 6:26:00 AM] drinternetphd: I only have 888 bytes of storage in my hand but I am considering putting in more [28/12/2014, 6:26:03 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 6:26:11 AM] drinternetphd: especially now that iphone is gonna work with nfc [28/12/2014, 6:26:16 AM] drinternetphd: cause then the tech will properly be handled [28/12/2014, 6:26:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh, i'm waiting for actual wearable substrates [28/12/2014, 6:26:25 AM] Ian Cheong: Once holographic data storage tech becomes mainstream you might be able to inject a terabyte of data into your hand, Zoe. [28/12/2014, 6:26:29 AM] Peter Coffin: "hand" led [28/12/2014, 6:26:37 AM] Remy: okay I finally broke down and Googled "waif" [28/12/2014, 6:26:39 AM] SF: That storage sounds [28/12/2014, 6:26:40 AM] SF: handy [28/12/2014, 6:26:41 AM] drinternetphd: i am going to fill it with horse porn [28/12/2014, 6:26:41 AM] Athena Hollow: I just want a cure for whatever the fuck cold thing I have -_- [28/12/2014, 6:26:45 AM] Ian Cheong: I'm waiting for augmented reality to really take off. [28/12/2014, 6:26:47 AM] Remy: and no wonder I couldn't figure out what it means, it's not a real word [28/12/2014, 6:26:48 AM] drinternetphd: a hand full of horse porn [28/12/2014, 6:26:50 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 6:26:58 AM] Remy: waifu* I mean [28/12/2014, 6:27:03 AM] SF: Shake people's hand with it and then tell them what they touched. [28/12/2014, 6:27:03 AM] Remy: SEE EVEN AUTOCORRECT DOESN"T LIKE WIAFU [28/12/2014, 6:27:09 AM] drinternetphd: it will be my dowry [28/12/2014, 6:27:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: AR is gonna be nuts [28/12/2014, 6:27:09 AM] Athena Hollow: hahahahha [28/12/2014, 6:27:16 AM] Ian Cheong: I want to look at something (while wearing special contact lenses) and see words floating above it explaining in detail what I'm looking at. [28/12/2014, 6:27:22 AM] drinternetphd: when you get my hand in marriage you also get a hand of 40 gigabytes of horse porn [28/12/2014, 6:27:28 AM] Remy: nice [28/12/2014, 6:27:33 AM] Peter Coffin: not enough [28/12/2014, 6:27:38 AM] Athena Hollow: XD [28/12/2014, 6:27:40 AM] drinternetphd: pushy pushy [28/12/2014, 6:27:41 AM] Remy: I know some people who would jump at that offer faster than you would like [28/12/2014, 6:27:48 AM] drinternetphd: stephen [28/12/2014, 6:27:49 AM] Remy: Or at least I'm sure I could figure out where they are nowadays [28/12/2014, 6:27:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: i've actually been working with a company designing AR helmets for industrial environments [28/12/2014, 6:27:50 AM] drinternetphd: then I would tell them [28/12/2014, 6:27:52 AM] drinternetphd: to hold their horses [28/12/2014, 6:27:56 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 6:27:57 AM] Ian Cheong: No kidding? [28/12/2014, 6:28:00 AM] SF: AR is why all current sci-fi with fancy devices will look dated IMO. We're all going to be more like sorcerers, just gesturing things into existence intangibly. [28/12/2014, 6:28:02 AM] drinternetphd: woah awesome [28/12/2014, 6:28:04 AM] Ian Cheong: That's pretty sweet. [28/12/2014, 6:28:07 AM] Peter Coffin: sunglasses [28/12/2014, 6:28:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: they saw my TED talk and want to try to adapt their tech to the NFL [28/12/2014, 6:28:11 AM] Peter Coffin: yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [28/12/2014, 6:28:13 AM] Ian Cheong: Wow. [28/12/2014, 6:28:25 AM] SF: Oh so it'll be like the intro scene in The 6th Day. [28/12/2014, 6:28:28 AM] Ian Cheong: That could be how it gains mainstream traction. [28/12/2014, 6:28:31 AM] Ian Cheong: Through popular sports. [28/12/2014, 6:28:34 AM] drinternetphd: take that, oculus [28/12/2014, 6:28:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, that's what i basically said in my talk [28/12/2014, 6:28:40 AM] SF: Fuck Oculus. [28/12/2014, 6:28:45 AM] Ian Cheong: I'm really not into VR as much as AR. [28/12/2014, 6:28:46 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 6:28:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: well, there's still gonna be a market for VR [28/12/2014, 6:28:55 AM] Remy: I had such high hopes for Oculus and they have not impressed me with their hiring practices [28/12/2014, 6:28:55 AM] SF: Because fuck Facebook and fuck Carmack's libertarian douchery. [28/12/2014, 6:29:02 AM] Chris Kluwe: and there'll be overlap with AR [28/12/2014, 6:29:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: but they're 2 totally seperate things which a lot of people don't understand yet [28/12/2014, 6:29:17 AM] SF: They're going to use it for harvesting people's biometric data, mark my words. [28/12/2014, 6:29:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: *separate [28/12/2014, 6:29:26 AM] Ian Cheong: Have you folks ever seen the anime Denno Coil? [28/12/2014, 6:29:28 AM] Ian Cheong: Deals with VR/AR. [28/12/2014, 6:29:41 AM] Chris Kluwe: haven't, i'll check it out [28/12/2014, 6:29:50 AM] drinternetphd: sf actually the lab I was part of pre-gamergate totalling my life was doing that [28/12/2014, 6:30:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: we're already doing that [28/12/2014, 6:30:05 AM] drinternetphd: we're just a bunch of grinders but we've got a chip almost finished that will take longterm biodata and upload it [28/12/2014, 6:30:11 AM] drinternetphd: yeah but this is with open hardware [28/12/2014, 6:30:14 AM] Remy: Here's what I look like before I use the GG hashtag each time http://thechive.com/2014/12/27/best-cats-of-2014-72-photos/best-cats-2014-13/ [28/12/2014, 6:30:17 AM] drinternetphd: and with body mod practitioners [28/12/2014, 6:30:26 AM] drinternetphd: so you don't need to have a ton of cash to get it [28/12/2014, 6:30:29 AM] Chris Kluwe: a lot of people also don't understand we're already living in the panopticon, it's just not evenly distributed yet :p [28/12/2014, 6:30:34 AM] Athena Hollow: lol stephen [28/12/2014, 6:30:36 AM] drinternetphd: yeah see [28/12/2014, 6:30:38 AM] Ian Cheong: Yep Chris. [28/12/2014, 6:30:40 AM] drinternetphd: that's why I was part of my lab [28/12/2014, 6:30:54 AM] drinternetphd: tired of this technoutopian vision where only rich people get to party [28/12/2014, 6:31:04 AM] SF: Neat. I'm all for people taking control of their bodies like that. What scares me is places like Facebook doing it implicitly and on an opt-out model. [28/12/2014, 6:31:09 AM] drinternetphd: yknow how much the chip in my hand cost? $120 [28/12/2014, 6:31:10 AM] Ian Cheong: I want to live in a world where everyone gets to have access to biotech. [28/12/2014, 6:31:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: basically I want Iain Banks' Culture [28/12/2014, 6:31:23 AM] drinternetphd: jammed it in there myself [28/12/2014, 6:31:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: but human nature tends to push towards dystopia [28/12/2014, 6:31:29 AM] Athena Hollow: We got a long time till that one. We don't even live in a world where everyone has access to healthcare yet -_- [28/12/2014, 6:31:32 AM] drinternetphd: my magnetic implant was only $100 [28/12/2014, 6:31:37 AM] Ian Cheong: Been meaning to read those books, Chris. [28/12/2014, 6:31:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: they're awesome [28/12/2014, 6:31:43 AM] Ian Cheong: I own them all, but I haven't read 'em yet. [28/12/2014, 6:31:46 AM] drinternetphd: oh it totally does push toward dystopia [28/12/2014, 6:31:53 AM] drinternetphd: that's why I am trying to push back :) [28/12/2014, 6:31:57 AM] SF: The open world game I really wanted to make was based around that concept. Being lower class and held there by the fact that body mods are necessary to operate in circles outside where you were born into. [28/12/2014, 6:31:59 AM] Chris Kluwe: i always recommend starting with either Player of Games or On Use of Weapons [28/12/2014, 6:32:02 AM] Remy: <3 [28/12/2014, 6:32:06 AM] drinternetphd: we already have all the shitty parts of cyberpunk why not have some of the cool ones [28/12/2014, 6:32:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, same here zoe [28/12/2014, 6:32:16 AM] Ian Cheong: I'll toss a coin and read one of them. [28/12/2014, 6:32:39 AM] drinternetphd: there's paper thin printable circuits I have coming soon that I am going to be testing the implantable capabilities of [28/12/2014, 6:32:47 AM] SF: The future's looking less Neuromancer and more Children of Men sadly. [28/12/2014, 6:32:56 AM] Remy: I just want to use my storytelling to inspire the next generation to feel empowered and push harder to get us back into the right timeline [28/12/2014, 6:33:03 AM] Ian Cheong: Do you think there's going to be an easier way to implant these things into ourselves? Like with a hypodermic device. [28/12/2014, 6:33:12 AM] Ian Cheong: So we don't have to slice ourselves open manually. [28/12/2014, 6:33:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: so i'm currently working on a sci fi novel loosely inspired by Gamergate [28/12/2014, 6:33:19 AM] drinternetphd: well my chip was in a hypodermic gas pressurized needle [28/12/2014, 6:33:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: wearables, Ian [28/12/2014, 6:33:21 AM] SF: They already have chips that work that way. [28/12/2014, 6:33:29 AM] drinternetphd: yeah wearables are likely what you want [28/12/2014, 6:33:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: and one of the main tech things i'm looking at is haptics [28/12/2014, 6:33:38 AM] drinternetphd: yeah? [28/12/2014, 6:33:41 AM] Ian Cheong: Ah yeah. [28/12/2014, 6:33:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: which i know Gibson touched on a bit in the Peripheral [28/12/2014, 6:33:59 AM] Chris Kluwe: but the idea i had was this (and here's where GG enters the picture) [28/12/2014, 6:34:07 AM] SF: Maybe we won't even need implants in the near future. I could see us figuring out ways to encode data into existing genetic structures. [28/12/2014, 6:34:12 AM] drinternetphd: drinternetphd has renamed this conversation to “The Hacker Webring (Gibson)” [28/12/2014, 6:34:16 AM] SF: That'll be REALLY scary because it will be implicitly opt out. [28/12/2014, 6:34:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: as haptics get more advanced, we'll be able to get closer and closer to 1:1 fidelity inside games systems [28/12/2014, 6:34:37 AM] Ian Cheong: Rumble 2.0 [28/12/2014, 6:34:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: so once they reach 1:1 (haptic bodysuit, room, whatever), you're essentially training your body to do those motions [28/12/2014, 6:34:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: so what happens to a society [28/12/2014, 6:34:57 AM] drinternetphd: that's a rad thought [28/12/2014, 6:34:59 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 6:35:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: where you've effectively trained an entire army of ninjas [28/12/2014, 6:35:01 AM] drinternetphd: depressing but rad [28/12/2014, 6:35:08 AM] Remy: I'm in a hacker web ring now [28/12/2014, 6:35:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: (FPSs, action games, etc) [28/12/2014, 6:35:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: and they figure out they can use those skills in real life? [28/12/2014, 6:35:21 AM] drinternetphd: oh my god turtles would go extinct from getting stomped on so much [28/12/2014, 6:35:21 AM] Remy: With my ability for coding I guess that means I'm the Scrappy Doo of the gang [28/12/2014, 6:35:30 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 6:35:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, turtles are pretty much toast [28/12/2014, 6:36:01 AM] Remy: turtles are so cute [28/12/2014, 6:36:03 AM] SF: There have already been studies done which found that *imagined* exercising of muscle tissue causes the muscles to strengthen with something like 40% efficiency. [28/12/2014, 6:36:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: but imagine something like Gamergate (even though it's a nasty thought) [28/12/2014, 6:36:14 AM] Remy: We used to keep like a whole swarm of them in our backyard that we'd save from being run over while trying to cross the road [28/12/2014, 6:36:18 AM] SF: Imagine what that could mean for disabled people and physiotherapy. [28/12/2014, 6:36:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: where those fuckers actually do the things they're capable of in games [28/12/2014, 6:36:27 AM] Remy: They'd burrow in the winter and then in the summer they'd crawl out and eat our strawberries and nibble on our toes [28/12/2014, 6:36:40 AM] SF: You could give someone athletic simulators and their body would just attune to it over time until they were ready in meatspace. It's thrilling to think of. [28/12/2014, 6:36:41 AM] drinternetphd: well, I watched a minidocumentary on the KKK recruiting from veterans this morning [28/12/2014, 6:36:47 AM] drinternetphd: and how they like them for their skills [28/12/2014, 6:36:48 AM] drinternetphd: so [28/12/2014, 6:36:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: and yeah, there's lots of good things that could be done with it SF [28/12/2014, 6:36:49 AM] Ian Cheong: 3D printing is doing wonders for people with disabilities. I imagine it'll be even better once we can print articulated devices. [28/12/2014, 6:36:51 AM] drinternetphd: you're not far off [28/12/2014, 6:36:54 AM] Remy: ew [28/12/2014, 6:36:56 AM] Remy: That's gross [28/12/2014, 6:37:01 AM] drinternetphd: yeah it was pretty upsetting [28/12/2014, 6:37:13 AM] Rob: I remember when they were finding KKK tags in Baghdad and shit. [28/12/2014, 6:37:15 AM] drinternetphd: like explictly taking advantage of one guy who has super bad PTSD [28/12/2014, 6:37:19 AM] Remy: veterans are v. frequently favored targets of shady people [28/12/2014, 6:37:24 AM] Remy: Esp. financial sharks [28/12/2014, 6:37:30 AM] Remy: Loan schemes, etc [28/12/2014, 6:37:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: well, our support systems don't really keep them away from those shady people :/ [28/12/2014, 6:37:35 AM] SF: Makes sense, like how terrorist groups recruit in prisons. Lots of marginalized, vulnerable people with no loyalty to the system that produced them. [28/12/2014, 6:37:36 AM] drinternetphd: yeah [28/12/2014, 6:37:37 AM] Rob: And other gang tags as well, b/c gangs were sending members to join the military to get skills/training then come back. [28/12/2014, 6:37:40 AM] Athena Hollow: Which, ya know, wouldn't be a problem if we didnt regularly toss vets to the fucking wind. [28/12/2014, 6:37:44 AM] SF: Only solution is to take better care of vets etc. [28/12/2014, 6:37:45 AM] drinternetphd: YUP [28/12/2014, 6:37:59 AM] Remy: I haven't found an answer [28/12/2014, 6:38:00 AM] drinternetphd: they never even paid for my sister's college when she got out of the airforce [28/12/2014, 6:38:04 AM] Remy: We're dying faster than anything is changing [28/12/2014, 6:38:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: ONLY ROGUESTAR CAN TAKE CARE OF MILITARY OPS STAND DOWN CIVILIANS [28/12/2014, 6:38:09 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 6:38:12 AM] drinternetphd: and she got I think 2 airman of the year awards? [28/12/2014, 6:38:26 AM] Remy: They classified my last buddy's death as "suicide by cop" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [28/12/2014, 6:38:28 AM] Rob: Wow, they screwed her out of the college funding? [28/12/2014, 6:38:30 AM] drinternetphd: : ( [28/12/2014, 6:38:30 AM] SF: Ugh, that's heartbreaking. [28/12/2014, 6:38:33 AM] drinternetphd: yeah [28/12/2014, 6:38:40 AM] Remy: Eventually you just run out of air to sigh [28/12/2014, 6:38:41 AM] drinternetphd: I mean she ended up putting herself through it anyway [28/12/2014, 6:38:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, our society definitely doesn't want to take care of people after we break them [28/12/2014, 6:38:50 AM] drinternetphd: ^ [28/12/2014, 6:38:59 AM] drinternetphd: I had to raise my niece for like 2 years when she was overseas [28/12/2014, 6:39:08 AM] drinternetphd: with latch key parents myself [28/12/2014, 6:39:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: eeesh [28/12/2014, 6:39:15 AM] drinternetphd: considering making a war game about the experience someday [28/12/2014, 6:39:28 AM] drinternetphd: like "yeah! I'm making a soldier game about war!" [28/12/2014, 6:39:36 AM] Chris Kluwe: shit, you could probably just do one on trying to get benefits from the VA [28/12/2014, 6:39:39 AM] drinternetphd: and you're just a destitute 8 year old kid taking care of your 2 year old niece [28/12/2014, 6:39:40 AM] Remy: But like have death and killing actually be a bad thing in a game for once [28/12/2014, 6:39:45 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 6:39:51 AM] Remy: I was thinking of doing something along those lines, too, Zoe [28/12/2014, 6:39:52 AM] Remy: Just the other day [28/12/2014, 6:40:06 AM] Remy: Like a war game where the player has to survive the war, not fight in it [28/12/2014, 6:40:09 AM] Athena Hollow: Parenting is very much like a constant game of russian roulette, but with less guns and more tantrums. [28/12/2014, 6:40:09 AM] drinternetphd: yeah [28/12/2014, 6:40:16 AM] Ian Cheong: Stephen, that game exists. [28/12/2014, 6:40:21 AM] Chris Kluwe: isn't there an indy game out there right now? [28/12/2014, 6:40:21 AM] Remy: I thought I'd heard of one [28/12/2014, 6:40:22 AM] Ian Cheong: This War of Mine. go get it. [28/12/2014, 6:40:23 AM] Chris Kluwe: This War of Mine? [28/12/2014, 6:40:26 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah [28/12/2014, 6:40:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: that one [28/12/2014, 6:40:29 AM] drinternetphd: ha [28/12/2014, 6:40:33 AM] Ian Cheong: I played it. It's depressing. But good. [28/12/2014, 6:40:34 AM] Remy: I'll probably go check it out p soon [28/12/2014, 6:40:45 AM] SF: At least the flipside of finding out this year how people awful on one topic are awful in general, this chat is giving me faith that cool and interesting people are cool and interesting about more than just the activism I met them through. [28/12/2014, 6:40:57 AM] Athena Hollow: :D [28/12/2014, 6:41:01 AM] Remy: Also, like, another idea I was thinking about... Dragon Age Inquisition is good, but I'm so f*cking tired of fighting against armies of evil [28/12/2014, 6:41:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh, you take the good with the bad :p [28/12/2014, 6:41:33 AM] Remy: Like... this game would be just as epic and awesome if the "villain" we were fighting against was just a severe drought and all of this conflict was just us trying to get everyone calmed down and fed [28/12/2014, 6:41:33 AM] Athena Hollow: There are some people who have little to say outside of activism, but amusingly, those are who "SJW" was typically referred to before it was co-opted by GG [28/12/2014, 6:41:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: i've always wanted to see a game where you rise to the commander of your forces, but the other people you're fighting are just normal human beings [28/12/2014, 6:41:55 AM] Ian Cheong: Stephen, The Banner Saga. [28/12/2014, 6:41:58 AM] Ian Cheong: Go play that. [28/12/2014, 6:42:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: who might come after you because they don't agree with you, or they're starving [28/12/2014, 6:42:01 AM] Remy: ^_^ [28/12/2014, 6:42:01 AM] drinternetphd: chris: me too [28/12/2014, 6:42:03 AM] SF: I feel like the fighting in fighting games is the only combat I consistently enjoy from a narrative standpoint any more, because it tends to be less about vanquishing the opponent and more about mutual betterment through competition. [28/12/2014, 6:42:15 AM] Chris Kluwe: and you have to make a choice that really is fucking hard [28/12/2014, 6:42:20 AM] Ian Cheong: The Banner Saga! [28/12/2014, 6:42:21 AM] drinternetphd: I am super bored with wars being fought between two races that all have the same opinions as everyone else of their race [28/12/2014, 6:42:26 AM] Rob: I keep wanting a cop game where you're a member of IA and you're investigating dirty/corrupt/etc cops and stuff [28/12/2014, 6:42:33 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 6:42:36 AM] Remy: I like that idea Rob [28/12/2014, 6:42:37 AM] Chris Kluwe: that wouldbe cool [28/12/2014, 6:42:44 AM] Remy: We should make a Twine game on that line [28/12/2014, 6:42:46 AM] SF: Guild Wars 2 is really good about that. Every culture has hugely varying politics within them. [28/12/2014, 6:42:48 AM] drinternetphd: phoenix wright? [28/12/2014, 6:42:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: shit, you could even pattern it after real life cases [28/12/2014, 6:42:50 AM] Remy: I'll have to research IA procedure [28/12/2014, 6:42:53 AM] Rob: And "Internal Affairs" is a badass name. [28/12/2014, 6:42:57 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 6:42:58 AM] Remy: agreed [28/12/2014, 6:43:04 AM] Ian Cheong: Phoenix Wright is kind of like that, isn't it? [28/12/2014, 6:43:06 AM] Remy: It has that heavens to it like "Law & Order" [28/12/2014, 6:43:09 AM] Remy: heaviness* [28/12/2014, 6:43:09 AM] Rob: To an extent [28/12/2014, 6:43:10 AM] Remy: that weight [28/12/2014, 6:43:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: ooooh, you could throw in cases where you get stonewalled by corrupt officials [28/12/2014, 6:43:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: and there's nothing you can do [28/12/2014, 6:43:41 AM] drinternetphd: yeah mutliple cases in phoenix wright have to do with the corruption of the japanese law system [28/12/2014, 6:43:43 AM] Remy: But I get the feeling "Internal Affairs" the way Rob is pitching it would be scaled more for a mature/adult audience? Like it would have to tackle more pernicious aspects in law enforcement [28/12/2014, 6:43:46 AM] Chris Kluwe: and if you decide to just go rambo and kill the dudes [28/12/2014, 6:43:46 AM] Ian Cheong: Yup. [28/12/2014, 6:43:48 AM] Ian Cheong: Love that series. [28/12/2014, 6:43:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: you lose [28/12/2014, 6:43:50 AM] Rob: Oh, really, zoe? That's awesome [28/12/2014, 6:43:53 AM] Remy: More mature than Phoenix Wright I mean [28/12/2014, 6:43:54 AM] Rob: Chris: Yeah, exactly [28/12/2014, 6:43:58 AM] Rob: Stuff like that would be awesome. [28/12/2014, 6:44:09 AM] drinternetphd: I wanna make a phoenix-wright-like so badly [28/12/2014, 6:44:14 AM] Remy: ^ me too [28/12/2014, 6:44:14 AM] Rob: AND you could highlight shit like police unions getting bad cops their jobs back. [28/12/2014, 6:44:19 AM] drinternetphd: something between that and dangan ronpa [28/12/2014, 6:44:22 AM] Chris Kluwe: really force people to be aware of how even if you're completely in the right, the system can still screw you over [28/12/2014, 6:44:24 AM] drinternetphd: logic puzzles & mysteries [28/12/2014, 6:44:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: exactly rob [28/12/2014, 6:44:30 AM] Rob: "Oh, Officer Racist killed a black guy for no reason? Fuck you, you're rehiring him. We don't care if you proved it." [28/12/2014, 6:44:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: and always give the player the freedom to act out [28/12/2014, 6:44:51 AM] Rob: Yep [28/12/2014, 6:44:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: if they feel it's unjust [28/12/2014, 6:44:55 AM] Rob: And then they get fired/ [28/12/2014, 6:44:57 AM] Rob: Or w/e [28/12/2014, 6:44:59 AM] Chris Kluwe: but then have the penalties be exactly what they would be irl [28/12/2014, 6:45:01 AM] SF: I think procedural generation is the way to go for systemic unfairness. People are already tuned to accept the world will be against you and possibly near-unwinnable. [28/12/2014, 6:45:02 AM] Ian Cheong: Police Quest let you act out. [28/12/2014, 6:45:06 AM] Ian Cheong: With penalties and all. [28/12/2014, 6:45:09 AM] Ian Cheong: Remember that game? [28/12/2014, 6:45:10 AM] drinternetphd: I keep refreshing GB wondering when my top 10 is going up :T [28/12/2014, 6:45:15 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh, i remember Police Quest [28/12/2014, 6:45:16 AM] Rob: I need to replay police quest. I have them all from GOG. [28/12/2014, 6:45:23 AM] Chris Kluwe: had a demo that came on an old Sierra game [28/12/2014, 6:45:23 AM] Rob: I'm gonna play them all when I get back to DC. [28/12/2014, 6:45:34 AM] drinternetphd: kickstarter to get the guy from The Wire to make a game with me [28/12/2014, 6:45:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: as a kid i totally didn't get it [28/12/2014, 6:45:42 AM] Rob: OH MAN THAT'D ROCK, ZOE [28/12/2014, 6:45:46 AM] Remy: Police Quest <3 [28/12/2014, 6:45:47 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 6:45:53 AM] drinternetphd: I still need to watch the wire tho [28/12/2014, 6:45:54 AM] Remy: The first mission you get in Police Quest is so laughable though [28/12/2014, 6:46:00 AM] Ian Cheong: The Wire is so excellent. [28/12/2014, 6:46:05 AM] Remy: You have to pull this woman over for speeding and she tries to seduce you out of writing her a ticket [28/12/2014, 6:46:12 AM] Remy: But the writing is so fucking awful it's hilarious [28/12/2014, 6:46:12 AM] Ian Cheong: Seasons by ranking 2,3,1, 4, 5. [28/12/2014, 6:46:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: lol [28/12/2014, 6:46:17 AM] Rob: Or like - imagine a game where you're playing an EPA official trying to convince people of shit like climate change, or why we need to enact environmental laws to protect against stuff like acid in rivers r w/e [28/12/2014, 6:46:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh man [28/12/2014, 6:46:30 AM] Rob: And Congress and all these groups just completely shut you down [28/12/2014, 6:46:32 AM] Remy: I played the shit out of Police Quest as a kid [28/12/2014, 6:46:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: that would be depressing as hell [28/12/2014, 6:46:44 AM] Rob: There's so much people could do with games like that. [28/12/2014, 6:46:47 AM] Remy: And Space Quest, too [28/12/2014, 6:46:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, you go try and raise funds, and people are like NOPE [28/12/2014, 6:46:51 AM] Rob: And educate the SHIT out of people re: a lot of societal problems./ [28/12/2014, 6:46:52 AM] Rob: Yeah. [28/12/2014, 6:47:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: and you try to raise awareness, and people are like NOPE [28/12/2014, 6:47:06 AM] Chris Kluwe: and the entire time, you see what this shit is doing [28/12/2014, 6:47:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: and you're like "WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN?!" [28/12/2014, 6:47:18 AM] Rob: Like, Chris - my parents are Fucking farmers and they believe climate change isn't real. They're FARMERS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. [28/12/2014, 6:47:23 AM] Chris Kluwe: buhhhhhhhh [28/12/2014, 6:47:25 AM] Ian Cheong: Video games as a medium are largely unexplored and full of clones of uninteresting games with mechanics that have been done already because people are too afraid to try something new. [28/12/2014, 6:47:32 AM] Rob: Yeah. [28/12/2014, 6:47:34 AM] Ian Cheong: Assassin's Creed 11 [28/12/2014, 6:47:35 AM] Athena Hollow: Rob's parents are very Fox Newsy [28/12/2014, 6:47:37 AM] Athena Hollow: :-/ [28/12/2014, 6:47:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: we're seriously in the worst drought in recorded history [28/12/2014, 6:47:45 AM] Remy: Honestly if they can turn Papers, Please into a game then you can probably turn Environmental Awareness into a game [28/12/2014, 6:47:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: and they think it isn't real? [28/12/2014, 6:47:49 AM] Rob: I'm the only somewhat liberal person in my family. [28/12/2014, 6:47:58 AM] Rob: Correct. [28/12/2014, 6:48:04 AM] Chris Kluwe: i can't fathom how that doesn't compute [28/12/2014, 6:48:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, you literally see the effect this is having [28/12/2014, 6:48:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: on your life [28/12/2014, 6:48:20 AM] Athena Hollow: I deal with people who think because we still end up getting some snow in Indiana, that global warming isn't real. [28/12/2014, 6:48:26 AM] Rob: Oh, I know. They just think it's 'random'. It makes me sigh. [28/12/2014, 6:48:30 AM] Chris Kluwe: ugh, i knew so many football players like that [28/12/2014, 6:48:43 AM] Ian Cheong: Hey, so today I dealt with people who thought CO2 production was a good thing because "plants breathe it." [28/12/2014, 6:48:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: we got snow in Minnesota? "HOW ABOUT THAT GLOBAL WARMING OBAMA" [28/12/2014, 6:48:49 AM] Rob: Yeah,. my parents last xmas were like 'HOW'S THAT GLOBAL WARMING WORKIN' OUT FOR YA? A SHIP'S STUCK IN THE ICE IN ANTARCTICA HA HA HA AL GORE IS A FRAUD" [28/12/2014, 6:49:01 AM] Athena Hollow: OMG Ian! I had a convo w/ a guy about that not too long ago XD [28/12/2014, 6:49:09 AM] Ian Cheong: These people are fucking out of their minds. [28/12/2014, 6:49:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: and it's just, i want to cram the idea of what 1million years actually is into their heads, and how SHORT a time even that is from a historical perspective [28/12/2014, 6:49:42 AM] Ian Cheong: I had to explain that carbon sinks like forests were being cut down so no amount of "plants breathe it" is gonna help us in the future. [28/12/2014, 6:49:44 AM] Rob: Yeeeep [28/12/2014, 6:49:59 AM] Athena Hollow: I'd mentioned something about CO2 and he said "Well that's good because plants need it you retard" and I facepalmed so hard I got a headache [28/12/2014, 6:50:23 AM] Chris Kluwe: i mean, the dinosaurs were around for MILLIONS of years [28/12/2014, 6:50:26 AM] Chris Kluwe: MILLIONS [28/12/2014, 6:50:30 AM] Chris Kluwe: and even they were an eyeblink [28/12/2014, 6:50:31 AM] Ian Cheong: It's hard to fathom. [28/12/2014, 6:50:34 AM] Ian Cheong: We barely live 100 years. [28/12/2014, 6:50:53 AM] Rob: Yeah, and our recorded history only goes back like 6000, but homo sapiens sapiens have been around for like 100k [28/12/2014, 6:51:08 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 6:51:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: sigh. it's just so depressing because you can LEARN about that stuff [28/12/2014, 6:51:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: we have history for a reason [28/12/2014, 6:51:30 AM] SF: This year was my first snowless Christmas ; ; [28/12/2014, 6:51:31 AM] Remy: My grandma could never decide whether dinosaurs existed concurrently with man or whether their bones were placed here as some weird way to test her Christian faith [28/12/2014, 6:51:34 AM] Ian Cheong: The information is readily available. [28/12/2014, 6:51:38 AM] Ian Cheong: These people choose to be ignorant. [28/12/2014, 6:51:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: especially with the Internet! [28/12/2014, 6:51:44 AM] Remy: I was like "Gramma just stop e-mailing me that JK Rowling is Satan and we'll call it good" [28/12/2014, 6:51:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: THE SUM KNOWLEDGE [28/12/2014, 6:51:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: OF HUMAN HISTORY [28/12/2014, 6:51:53 AM] Chris Kluwe: AT YOUR FINGERTIPS [28/12/2014, 6:51:56 AM] Rob: Have any of you guys ever heard of the A Beka Books/ Bob Jones University press 'school books'? [28/12/2014, 6:51:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: IN YOUR MAGIC PHONEBOX [28/12/2014, 6:51:57 AM] Athena Hollow: Isnt is something like 97% of scientists agree that global warming is a thing, and the only potential 'debateable' part is exactly how much man has affected it (though all of them agree it's at least SOMEWHAT by man) [28/12/2014, 6:52:04 AM] Rob: That say shit like 'the slave owners all treated slaves well', etc etc etc [28/12/2014, 6:52:06 AM] Chris Kluwe: 99% [28/12/2014, 6:52:09 AM] Rob: Those were the books my school used. [28/12/2014, 6:52:20 AM] Remy: Global warming has been studied in humanity's scientific literature since the 1800's [28/12/2014, 6:52:25 AM] Rob: "Evolution is like throwing a toaster in the air and expecting it to be a giraffe when it hits the ground." was all they said about evolution [28/12/2014, 6:52:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: guhhhhhhhhh [28/12/2014, 6:52:32 AM] Athena Hollow: O_________o [28/12/2014, 6:52:36 AM] Ian Cheong: -_- [28/12/2014, 6:52:43 AM] Remy: And that is specifically referring to scientific literature noting the effect of man-made climate change [28/12/2014, 6:52:45 AM] SF: Isn't that closer to Creationism [28/12/2014, 6:52:52 AM] Rob: Yeah, I went to a southern Baptist school from pre-k to 6th grade [28/12/2014, 6:52:54 AM] Remy: Like [28/12/2014, 6:53:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: next time, tell them "Well, yeah, if the toaster hangs there for 800 million years, then it might be a giraffe when it hits the ground" [28/12/2014, 6:53:00 AM] Remy: Climate Change has literally been around longer than Mormons have [28/12/2014, 6:53:05 AM] Rob: Oh, we learned that the bible was the literal word of god, lol [28/12/2014, 6:53:06 AM] Athena Hollow: Never before have I been so happy I went to a public school LOL [28/12/2014, 6:53:38 AM] SF: I'm so glad I was homeschooled for non-religious reasons. [28/12/2014, 6:53:40 AM] Athena Hollow: Though to be fair, with the exception of my freshman bio class, 'evolution' wasn't a "Can't talk about this" topic. (( But my bio teacher was literally forbidden from even mentioning the word that year - so fucked )) [28/12/2014, 6:53:49 AM] Rob: Chris, I got in trouble for asking "Why is this story in the Bible about the Witch of Endor raising the ghost of Samuel with a magic amulet true, but the story of Frodo and the ring false?" [28/12/2014, 6:53:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: how do you even teach a bio class without using the word evolution? [28/12/2014, 6:54:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: hahahahaha [28/12/2014, 6:54:04 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's awesome [28/12/2014, 6:54:05 AM] Athena Hollow: He wasn't happy about it lol [28/12/2014, 6:54:06 AM] SF: Nice. [28/12/2014, 6:54:17 AM] Randi Harper: bleh [28/12/2014, 6:54:19 AM] Athena Hollow: I always bring up unicorns. [28/12/2014, 6:54:28 AM] Randi Harper: I went to a southern Baptist private school that had <40 people in it. [28/12/2014, 6:54:34 AM] SF: They weren't on the Ark you see. [28/12/2014, 6:54:34 AM] Athena Hollow: If they believe in the literal word of the bible, they have to believe in unicorns. [28/12/2014, 6:54:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh that had to have been a blast [28/12/2014, 6:54:44 AM] Randi Harper: i got suspended way too many times. eventually they had to put me in public school. too much of a heathen. [28/12/2014, 6:54:47 AM] Ian Cheong: The Witch of Endor? [28/12/2014, 6:54:48 AM] SF: Between the Ark and Eden the Bible sure has a lotta incest. [28/12/2014, 6:54:50 AM] Ian Cheong: That's a thing in the bible? [28/12/2014, 6:54:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: She helped the ewoks [28/12/2014, 6:55:00 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 6:55:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: before Luke and Han got there [28/12/2014, 6:55:15 AM] Ian Cheong: hah [28/12/2014, 6:55:21 AM] Chris Kluwe: and yes [28/12/2014, 6:55:26 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's a real thing [28/12/2014, 6:55:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_of_Endor [28/12/2014, 6:55:30 AM] Ian Cheong: Wow. [28/12/2014, 6:55:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: old testament has LOTS of magic handwavium type stuff [28/12/2014, 6:56:20 AM] Rob: The thing that pisses me off about bible literalists (And a lot of anti-theists) is, bible literalism is a relatively new thing [28/12/2014, 6:56:42 AM] Rob: Like you go back before the mid/late ~1800s and you really didn't find it that much [28/12/2014, 6:56:59 AM] Chris Kluwe: wasn't it literally Augustine in City of God that said "This book is an interpretation that we should do our best to understand"? [28/12/2014, 6:57:07 AM] Rob: I believe so, yeah. [28/12/2014, 6:57:12 AM] Rob: And Aquinas echoed a lot of that, too [28/12/2014, 6:57:27 AM] Ian Cheong: Aquinas rejected the ontological argument. [28/12/2014, 6:57:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's the other thing that gets me [28/12/2014, 6:57:39 AM] Remy: I'm actually curious to figure out how, when and where bible literalism really took off [28/12/2014, 6:57:43 AM] Remy: It's a peculiar aspect [28/12/2014, 6:57:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: so many fundamentalists that are too lazy to research THEIR OWN history [28/12/2014, 6:57:58 AM] Remy: It almost feels like it would be the birth of the "dark enlightenment" [28/12/2014, 6:58:02 AM] Athena Hollow: I've argued w/ a lot of fundies about religion, because I studied the crap out of it - being raised Midwestern Baptist till I was 12... and they always ask "Well if you know it so well, what's your favorite bible verse?" [28/12/2014, 6:58:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's like, fine, whatever, you don't want to believe in dinosaurs, sure deal. but AT LEAST know your own damn religion [28/12/2014, 6:58:09 AM] Athena Hollow: Always answer: Ezekiel 23:20 [28/12/2014, 6:58:21 AM] Ian Cheong: What's Ezekiel 23:20? [28/12/2014, 6:58:29 AM] Athena Hollow: There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. [28/12/2014, 6:58:31 AM] Rob: Mine is Song of Solomon 8:10. In the KJV, of course. [28/12/2014, 6:58:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: hahahah [28/12/2014, 6:58:38 AM] Remy: I was about to say [28/12/2014, 6:58:46 AM] Remy: I bet that's the passage with the horse dick description [28/12/2014, 6:58:49 AM] Rob: "I am a wall, and my breasts like towers: then was I in his eyes as one that found favour." [28/12/2014, 6:58:49 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 6:58:50 AM] Ian Cheong: hahaha [28/12/2014, 6:58:58 AM] Remy: That's always my favorite one to make them google [28/12/2014, 6:59:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: BUT THE BIBLE IS ABOUT CHASTE VIRGINITY [28/12/2014, 6:59:25 AM] Chris Kluwe: AND MAGIC BEARDED WHITE SKY FATHER [28/12/2014, 6:59:27 AM] Athena Hollow: If you are arguing in person, you can always /quit the convo there, by making them look it up right in front of you [28/12/2014, 6:59:34 AM] Remy: Athena: https://twitter.com/StephenAtWar/status/506810966882144256 [28/12/2014, 6:59:35 AM] Rob: Have any of you ever seen Oz? [28/12/2014, 6:59:39 AM] Athena Hollow: They are usually too embarassed to say shit else. [28/12/2014, 6:59:50 AM] Athena Hollow: hahahahahah [28/12/2014, 6:59:53 AM] Athena Hollow: I have. [28/12/2014, 7:00:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: lol, that one's solid [28/12/2014, 7:00:18 AM] Rob: One of my favorite scenes is when Beecher was telling Schillinger (The neo Nazi guy) that 'Well, Jesus was most likely olive skinned...' and Schillinger grabs a Bible, points to white jesus on the cover and is like 'does that look olive skinned to you?' [28/12/2014, 7:00:40 AM] Athena Hollow: heh [28/12/2014, 7:00:49 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 7:00:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: completely ignoring the fact that people reinterpret history for their own ends [28/12/2014, 7:00:54 AM] Chris Kluwe: BUT WHATEVES [28/12/2014, 7:01:01 AM] Rob: That scene just makes me laugh every time [28/12/2014, 7:01:11 AM] Remy: Is it ignoring the fact or is it hinging upon it? [28/12/2014, 7:01:11 AM] Ian Cheong: People really are that ignorant. [28/12/2014, 7:01:20 AM] Athena Hollow: All the people freaking out over a not-white Jesus & Santa. There's full overlap there. [28/12/2014, 7:01:27 AM] Remy: I can't tell, everyone seems so un-hinged these days [28/12/2014, 7:01:28 AM] Rob: lolol megyn kelly [28/12/2014, 7:01:32 AM] Ian Cheong: Megyn Kelly says no one wants to see a non-white santa. [28/12/2014, 7:01:35 AM] Athena Hollow: She's so fucking dumb LOL [28/12/2014, 7:01:37 AM] Remy: lol Megyn Kelly [28/12/2014, 7:01:37 AM] Chris Kluwe: They're KILLING our CHRISTMAS [28/12/2014, 7:01:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: SAVE YOUR WHITE BABIES [28/12/2014, 7:01:47 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:01:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: SAVE THEM [28/12/2014, 7:01:55 AM] Ian Cheong: Speaking of killing christmas, there's a new Breitbart article about how Feminists are killing it. [28/12/2014, 7:02:00 AM] Athena Hollow: GHAHAHAHAHAH [28/12/2014, 7:02:02 AM] SF: That is now also my favourite Bible verse. [28/12/2014, 7:02:02 AM] Chris Kluwe: because of course there is [28/12/2014, 7:02:03 AM] Remy: If I did anything Santa related like artwork I would have sworn off white Santas forever just to piss off people that care [28/12/2014, 7:02:03 AM] Athena Hollow: because of course there is [28/12/2014, 7:02:08 AM] Athena Hollow: hahahaha [28/12/2014, 7:02:21 AM] Remy: Honestly, like... everyone should do nothing but POC Santas for the next ten years just so we can all laugh at anyone who is even slightly uncomfortable with it [28/12/2014, 7:02:29 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 7:02:33 AM] Remy: That alone is reason enough [28/12/2014, 7:03:04 AM] Chris Kluwe: i mean, it couldn't be the rise of multiculturalism and the recognition of a fundamentally flawed system that only acknowledges one race and contributes to persistently unbalanced power structures [28/12/2014, 7:03:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: NO [28/12/2014, 7:03:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: obviously it's feminism [28/12/2014, 7:03:12 AM] Rob: :D [28/12/2014, 7:03:19 AM] Athena Hollow: dude, I'm annoyed. I can't even go into malls in overwhelmingly black neighborhoods, without them having a goddamn white santa. [28/12/2014, 7:03:28 AM] SF: No you see you have to read it as a metaphor [28/12/2014, 7:03:32 AM] SF: The horse cum is a metaphor [28/12/2014, 7:03:40 AM] SF: The Father speaks only in riddles [28/12/2014, 7:03:41 AM] Athena Hollow: for.... um.... [28/12/2014, 7:03:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: for horse jizz? [28/12/2014, 7:03:46 AM] Athena Hollow: bukake? [28/12/2014, 7:03:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: horsekake? [28/12/2014, 7:03:55 AM] SF: I guess it's a metaphor for human cum. [28/12/2014, 7:03:55 AM] Athena Hollow: hahaha [28/12/2014, 7:04:03 AM] SF: Just a lot of it. [28/12/2014, 7:04:04 AM] Athena Hollow: oh I know it is... it's still hilarious as shit. [28/12/2014, 7:04:05 AM] Ian Cheong: super Serum. [28/12/2014, 7:04:07 AM] Quinnae: What did I just walk in on? [28/12/2014, 7:04:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: JUICEBRO IS BIBLICAL [28/12/2014, 7:04:16 AM] Rob: It's actually a proph- [28/12/2014, 7:04:16 AM] Athena Hollow: Ezekiel 23:20 [28/12/2014, 7:04:19 AM] Rob: Haha [28/12/2014, 7:04:27 AM] SF: Actually it's about ethics in games journalism. [28/12/2014, 7:04:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: HE IS THE CHOSEN EMISSIONER [28/12/2014, 7:04:29 AM] Charloppe: hello all [28/12/2014, 7:04:31 AM] Quinnae: backs away slowly [28/12/2014, 7:04:33 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 7:04:38 AM] Athena Hollow: Hi Charlotte <3 [28/12/2014, 7:04:40 AM] Quinnae: Snarfybarf! Save me! [28/12/2014, 7:04:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: hola [28/12/2014, 7:04:44 AM] Ian Cheong: So we were having a great conversation about cyberpunk stuff that turned into a discussion about bible literalism and now we're talking about horsecock. [28/12/2014, 7:04:48 AM] Athena Hollow: hahaha [28/12/2014, 7:04:52 AM] Athena Hollow: Sounds about par for the course. [28/12/2014, 7:04:53 AM] Charloppe: saves katherine and feeds her tubers [28/12/2014, 7:04:55 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's pretty much the internet in a nutshell [28/12/2014, 7:05:03 AM] SF: Wow no kidding. [28/12/2014, 7:05:08 AM] Quinnae: No, feed me shrimp. [28/12/2014, 7:05:09 AM] Athena Hollow: This is what happens everytime I start a conversation on facebook lol [28/12/2014, 7:05:16 AM] Charloppe: but mole food is good food [28/12/2014, 7:05:34 AM] Quinnae: chomps [28/12/2014, 7:05:41 AM] Charloppe: this is quite the convo I see [28/12/2014, 7:05:51 AM] Quinnae: Oh it was. [28/12/2014, 7:05:53 AM] SF: No it's okay it's bible studies. [28/12/2014, 7:06:05 AM] Charloppe: trys to tell difference but fails [28/12/2014, 7:06:12 AM] Quinnae: Is this like a series of videos on theology? With a skull in the background? [28/12/2014, 7:06:18 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:06:30 AM] Charloppe: is thunderfoot teaching it? [28/12/2014, 7:06:41 AM] Charloppe: cause I will leave [28/12/2014, 7:06:53 AM] Chris Kluwe: nono, we're not interested in racism [28/12/2014, 7:06:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: just horse and donkeycock [28/12/2014, 7:06:57 AM] Rob: I'm so glad I dug up that video where I got that comment from earlier today. [28/12/2014, 7:07:04 AM] Chris Kluwe: and towering pillarbreasts [28/12/2014, 7:07:10 AM] Rob: About how he "doesn't shed a tear for the jews killed by the Nazis" [28/12/2014, 7:07:29 AM] Charloppe: wat [28/12/2014, 7:07:31 AM] Athena Hollow: Goddamn yeah I read that shit [28/12/2014, 7:07:34 AM] Ian Cheong: You know, Chris, if you put up that thing about Milo's disavowing of hotwheels on KIA they'd have a huge argument over it, probably. [28/12/2014, 7:07:38 AM] Athena Hollow: wtf. It was tossed in there without any reason whatsoever [28/12/2014, 7:07:46 AM] Athena Hollow: It didn't relate to ANYTHING ELSE he was saying [28/12/2014, 7:07:55 AM] Athena Hollow: It was just a vomit sentence in the middle of a paragraph [28/12/2014, 7:07:59 AM] Rob: Yeah. And couple that with his refusal to say whether or not he thinks the Holocaust is evil.... [28/12/2014, 7:08:00 AM] Rob: Rob shrugs. [28/12/2014, 7:08:05 AM] Quinnae: Quite possibly, Ian. [28/12/2014, 7:08:17 AM] Athena Hollow: YAY INFIGHTING! GATERBOROUS [28/12/2014, 7:08:28 AM] Athena Hollow: Image [28/12/2014, 7:08:29 AM] Quinnae: Also, on a slightly happier note, Shadowrun: Dragonfall, The Director's Cut is on Steam sale for 5.99, I highly, highly recommend it. [28/12/2014, 7:08:32 AM] Charloppe: all part of my plan I think [28/12/2014, 7:08:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: my only worry is that they'll just straight downvote the thread [28/12/2014, 7:08:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: if i make it [28/12/2014, 7:08:50 AM] Athena Hollow: make a throwaway [28/12/2014, 7:08:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: because they REALLY don't like me [28/12/2014, 7:08:52 AM] Rob: I have it, I just need to start the fist campaign first [28/12/2014, 7:09:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: ahhh fuck it, here we go [28/12/2014, 7:09:19 AM] Remy: I would by the Shadowfall director's cut but I already have it XD [28/12/2014, 7:09:29 AM] Charloppe: i wish you luck onthe thread [28/12/2014, 7:09:31 AM] Ian Cheong: i bought shadowrun: director's cut yesterday. haven't played it yet. [28/12/2014, 7:09:45 AM] Charloppe: has yet to play original shadowrun [28/12/2014, 7:09:47 AM] Charloppe: is bad [28/12/2014, 7:09:59 AM] Athena Hollow: I have a feeling they'll just pretzel logic their way around it, with lots of backwards fuckery and cognitive dissonence. BUT it'll be awesome to see it happen in real time XD [28/12/2014, 7:10:12 AM] Rob: On my way back from Dulles, I plan on swinging by the liquor store and buying a shit load of rum [28/12/2014, 7:10:14 AM] Remy: I have to finish original shadow run. This year has been weird for me I haven't finished a lot of things [28/12/2014, 7:10:17 AM] SF: Just according to keikaku [28/12/2014, 7:10:18 AM] Rob: and then just being in a drunken gaming haze for the next week o rso. [28/12/2014, 7:10:21 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:10:22 AM] Ian Cheong: Rob, I read that as buying a shitload of cum. [28/12/2014, 7:10:25 AM] Athena Hollow: HAH [28/12/2014, 7:10:28 AM] Remy: I also still haven't finished Wasteland 2 [28/12/2014, 7:10:30 AM] Rob: HEY BRO [28/12/2014, 7:10:38 AM] Rob: I don't knock what you do, don't knock what I do [28/12/2014, 7:10:39 AM] Charloppe: juicebro is here now? [28/12/2014, 7:10:43 AM] Remy: Also this chat room talks about cum almost as much as dude in the military do. It's reassuring? [28/12/2014, 7:10:44 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:10:45 AM] Rob: Maybe I need a shitload of cum. Ever think of that? [28/12/2014, 7:10:53 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 7:10:54 AM] Rob: It's for ethics. [28/12/2014, 7:11:04 AM] Charloppe: and science [28/12/2014, 7:11:08 AM] drinternetphd: aaAAAAAAAAAAA [28/12/2014, 7:11:10 AM] Charloppe: mad science [28/12/2014, 7:11:23 AM] Remy: As long as we're all equally fascinated with sexual fluids then we should be okay [28/12/2014, 7:11:25 AM] drinternetphd: I am getting advice about pitching from mara wilson [28/12/2014, 7:11:28 AM] Remy: Lemme know if iI start spiking the charts [28/12/2014, 7:11:29 AM] Ian Cheong: woah [28/12/2014, 7:11:30 AM] Athena Hollow: KICK ASS! [28/12/2014, 7:11:30 AM] drinternetphd: what is life anymore I don't even [28/12/2014, 7:11:31 AM] Rob: :d [28/12/2014, 7:11:33 AM] Rob: Whoa, awesome, zoe! [28/12/2014, 7:11:33 AM] Athena Hollow: She's so awesome. [28/12/2014, 7:11:33 AM] Ian Cheong: Mara Wilson! [28/12/2014, 7:11:43 AM] Remy: Nice one [28/12/2014, 7:11:45 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 7:11:48 AM] drinternetphd: I mean we've been tweet-acquaintences for a while but this is still a trip [28/12/2014, 7:11:48 AM] Charloppe: dont fuck with mara wilson. at least thats what I heard [28/12/2014, 7:12:00 AM] Ian Cheong: She's a badass. [28/12/2014, 7:12:09 AM] drinternetphd: also she's a friend-of-a-friend [28/12/2014, 7:12:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qkimy/thought_you_guys_might_find_milos_disavowal_of/ [28/12/2014, 7:12:13 AM] drinternetphd: so it's not totally weird but still [28/12/2014, 7:12:18 AM] Remy: Zoe your life is so surreal [28/12/2014, 7:12:23 AM] Charloppe: dan Im guessing? [28/12/2014, 7:12:25 AM] Athena Hollow: hahahahah Kluwe. Nice. [28/12/2014, 7:12:31 AM] Ian Cheong: Nice one. [28/12/2014, 7:12:37 AM] Remy: I mean usually it's surreal in a "RUN FROM THE ZOMBIE HORDE" way but this is like a nice change of pace [28/12/2014, 7:12:38 AM] Ian Cheong: i can't wait to see this take off. [28/12/2014, 7:12:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: over/under on being downvoted to oblivion? [28/12/2014, 7:12:54 AM] Athena Hollow: I bookmarked in case it's delisted xD [28/12/2014, 7:13:09 AM] Rob: WOOT. I just found out one of my college friends took a job at Blizzard. [28/12/2014, 7:13:21 AM] Athena Hollow: TIME FOR COLLUSION & NEPOTISM ROB [28/12/2014, 7:13:35 AM] Rob: He's already told me he's adding me to his Friends and Family alpha list. [28/12/2014, 7:13:36 AM] Ian Cheong: Tell them to give me Hearthstone card codes. [28/12/2014, 7:13:38 AM] drinternetphd: blizzard's a cool place to work from all I've heard [28/12/2014, 7:13:38 AM] Athena Hollow: hah [28/12/2014, 7:13:39 AM] Rob: When he starts work. [28/12/2014, 7:13:44 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 7:13:52 AM] Rob: One of my old WoW guildmates works at blizzard. [28/12/2014, 7:13:54 AM] Remy: ( p.s. when Brennan talks about writing for the "Daily Stormer" I'm assuming that's a Stormfront/white nationalist 'publication'? ) [28/12/2014, 7:14:00 AM] Rob: He designed most of the Garrison system in Draenor. [28/12/2014, 7:14:01 AM] Ian Cheong: Yes Stephen. [28/12/2014, 7:14:03 AM] Athena Hollow: you would be correct in that assumption. [28/12/2014, 7:14:08 AM] Remy: haha [28/12/2014, 7:14:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: yes stephen [28/12/2014, 7:14:20 AM] Remy: fuck [28/12/2014, 7:14:27 AM] Charloppe: got a orginal joke for that one [28/12/2014, 7:14:29 AM] Charloppe: ethics [28/12/2014, 7:14:32 AM] Charloppe: bows [28/12/2014, 7:14:32 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:14:38 AM] Remy: I can't picture him in a klan suit and laugh without feeling like I'm body shaming? [28/12/2014, 7:14:39 AM] Rob: Heh heh [28/12/2014, 7:14:41 AM] Remy: And that's pissing me off [28/12/2014, 7:14:42 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:14:54 AM] Remy: I just wanna laugh at Brennan in a klan suit without being an ableist can we have this happen please? [28/12/2014, 7:15:29 AM] Athena Hollow: Just remember, like I said before: Being physically disabled doesn't mean you can't be a complete fuckall worthless shitbrain. [28/12/2014, 7:15:30 AM] Chris Kluwe: i mean [28/12/2014, 7:15:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's rough [28/12/2014, 7:15:35 AM] Quinnae: That's probably a bit mean. [28/12/2014, 7:15:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: but after he posted that lynching photo [28/12/2014, 7:15:40 AM] Remy: And yes, I am aware that I frequently (read: always) conflate the KKK with Nazis. I really, really just don't see the difference ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [28/12/2014, 7:15:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: with the beer cans [28/12/2014, 7:15:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: i say fuck it [28/12/2014, 7:15:56 AM] Quinnae: Yeah, Chris, that was just disgusting. [28/12/2014, 7:16:00 AM] Remy: The only difference between the KKK and the Nazis is that the Nazis had scientists [28/12/2014, 7:16:03 AM] Ian Cheong: He is a disgusting human being. [28/12/2014, 7:16:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: i'm sure some KKK member consider themselves "scientists" [28/12/2014, 7:16:30 AM] Rob: Chris, I was gonna say - when Nero tried to compare Hotwheels to Ian and say stuff like 'edgy teenager', my dickish immediate response would have been "How dare you make fun of his condition, Nero. Go fuck yourself." [28/12/2014, 7:16:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: but it's probably more to do with meth than anything else [28/12/2014, 7:16:40 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 7:16:46 AM] Rob: Since they all clutch their pearls when someone referred to Brennan as acting childish [28/12/2014, 7:16:48 AM] Ian Cheong: Was that Nero or Cern? [28/12/2014, 7:16:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: haha [28/12/2014, 7:16:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: it was cerno [28/12/2014, 7:16:55 AM] Chris Kluwe: but yeah i missed that one [28/12/2014, 7:16:58 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah that was cerno, not nero. [28/12/2014, 7:17:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: that would've been great [28/12/2014, 7:17:05 AM] Rob: Oh, it was cerno? Ah [28/12/2014, 7:17:07 AM] Ian Cheong: Nero's distancing himself from hotwheels. [28/12/2014, 7:17:09 AM] Remy: Rob that's so awesome [28/12/2014, 7:17:12 AM] Remy: I may hold on to that idea [28/12/2014, 7:17:20 AM] Rob: I'd be careful about using it b/c it's pretty dickish [28/12/2014, 7:17:24 AM] Athena Hollow: Nero doesn't want to have to put on YET ANOTHER BOOK "I'm not anti-Semitic" [28/12/2014, 7:17:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: rofl [28/12/2014, 7:17:36 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh my god [28/12/2014, 7:17:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: this tweet string [28/12/2014, 7:18:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: Bill Wilson @piefke4 46m46 minutes ago @Nero @ChrisWarcraft @PlayDangerously He's going to write a piece on why he supports eugenics (he is also disabled). [28/12/2014, 7:18:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: Bill Wilson @piefke4 46m46 minutes ago @Nero @ChrisWarcraft @PlayDangerously Not many other sites would let him publish something like that [28/12/2014, 7:18:09 AM] Rob: "I don't Hate the Jews" by Milo Yiannopoulos. Forward by David Duke [28/12/2014, 7:18:18 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 7:18:20 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 7:18:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: GUESS THE AVATAR OF THAT USER [28/12/2014, 7:18:30 AM] drinternetphd: is it vivian [28/12/2014, 7:18:30 AM] Remy: anime? [28/12/2014, 7:18:32 AM] Remy: loli? [28/12/2014, 7:18:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: if you said "poorly drawn Vivian, YOU WIN A PRIZE!" [28/12/2014, 7:18:40 AM] Remy: does it have a star eyepatch? [28/12/2014, 7:18:40 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 7:18:41 AM] drinternetphd: YESSSSS [28/12/2014, 7:18:42 AM] drinternetphd: I WIN [28/12/2014, 7:18:43 AM] Quinnae: laughs [28/12/2014, 7:18:44 AM] Remy: damn [28/12/2014, 7:18:44 AM] Ian Cheong: Hahahha [28/12/2014, 7:18:51 AM] Remy: (sheep) [28/12/2014, 7:18:53 AM] Chris Kluwe: omg, i have to link this picture [28/12/2014, 7:18:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's killing me [28/12/2014, 7:19:09 AM] Quinnae: That sheep poop never stops being amusing. [28/12/2014, 7:19:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: https://twitter.com/piefke4 [28/12/2014, 7:19:10 AM] Charloppe: but madoka avatar is best one according to katherine [28/12/2014, 7:19:10 AM] Ian Cheong: I have to see it. [28/12/2014, 7:19:19 AM] Charloppe: dont hate me katherine [28/12/2014, 7:19:24 AM] Ian Cheong: oh my god [28/12/2014, 7:19:27 AM] Ian Cheong: i am dying [28/12/2014, 7:19:39 AM] drinternetphd: lmao [28/12/2014, 7:19:41 AM] Ian Cheong: or as mundanematt would say, "my sides are in orbit" [28/12/2014, 7:19:46 AM] Rob: lolololololol wtf [28/12/2014, 7:19:46 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's either a REALLY well done troll account [28/12/2014, 7:19:50 AM] Rob: why is she drooling [28/12/2014, 7:19:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: or just, i dunno [28/12/2014, 7:19:52 AM] Athena Hollow: What kind of fucked up shit is it to say you support Eugenics... at all... Even if you're disabled, how is it right to decide that would be a good thing for all disabled folk???? Support science in finding cures, not culling of 'unwanted' disability markers. Ugh. [28/12/2014, 7:20:02 AM] Charloppe: dat avatar [28/12/2014, 7:20:05 AM] Quinnae: Don't worry, Charlotte, I still like you. [28/12/2014, 7:20:05 AM] Charloppe: amazing [28/12/2014, 7:20:13 AM] Charloppe: YAY! [28/12/2014, 7:20:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: Kitty Marine @Ktalin95 31m31 minutes ago @ChrisWarcraft When you show me where Hotwheels explicitly says or does something racist, I'll believe you when you say he's a racist. [28/12/2014, 7:20:22 AM] Athena Hollow: LMFAO [28/12/2014, 7:20:25 AM] Chris Kluwe: responding to a post with a lynching image [28/12/2014, 7:20:29 AM] Quinnae: Good gods. [28/12/2014, 7:20:30 AM] Athena Hollow: WOWWWWWWWWW [28/12/2014, 7:20:35 AM] Athena Hollow: So. fucking. dumb. [28/12/2014, 7:20:40 AM] SF: I wonder if they support aborting female fetuses in China. [28/12/2014, 7:20:46 AM] SF: Like who gets to decide what desirable is. [28/12/2014, 7:20:51 AM] Athena Hollow: "I'm gonna cover my eyes and say you didn't show me proof because I can't see it" [28/12/2014, 7:20:54 AM] Quinnae: It's like, anything short of them actually saying "Raaar, I am a racist" is cause for plausible deniability and even then, it'll just get called edgy. [28/12/2014, 7:21:03 AM] Chris Kluwe: "3edgy5me" [28/12/2014, 7:21:26 AM] Athena Hollow: they have built in "outs" in every potentially bad association [28/12/2014, 7:21:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: lolololol [28/12/2014, 7:21:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: first comment on my post [28/12/2014, 7:21:51 AM] Athena Hollow: It's just like the 'notallgaters' thing: If they don't use the hashtag in that specific post, they aren't a gamergater; if they do, they don't represent gamergate, but don't expect them to call that out. [28/12/2014, 7:21:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: automated tweet poster [28/12/2014, 7:21:58 AM] SF: We're going to have eugenics return to America relatively soon I think anyway. It'll just be called something with no baggage and biotech companies will sell it Gattaca style. [28/12/2014, 7:22:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: DIRECTLY OUTLINING MILO'S ARGUMENT [28/12/2014, 7:22:03 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:22:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: sf: "bioenhancing" [28/12/2014, 7:22:43 AM] Ian Cheong: Scary future. [28/12/2014, 7:22:46 AM] Chris Kluwe: "lifequality" [28/12/2014, 7:22:48 AM] SF: Maybe something with "designer" in the name. [28/12/2014, 7:22:58 AM] SF: Or "risk preventative birth" [28/12/2014, 7:23:07 AM] Ian Cheong: Nah, they won't go with 'designer' because that'll get too much flak from the people who argue that they are playing god. [28/12/2014, 7:23:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah [28/12/2014, 7:23:12 AM] Athena Hollow: yep [28/12/2014, 7:23:14 AM] SF: Good point. [28/12/2014, 7:23:58 AM] Remy: I wish I had a talent for art [28/12/2014, 7:24:00 AM] Athena Hollow: lol on KiA: "What is the Daily Stormer?" [28/12/2014, 7:24:02 AM] Remy: I could be a cartoonist? [28/12/2014, 7:24:02 AM] SF: And then we'll see the "righteousness correlates to beauty" myth become even stronger, because appearance and health will be way more of a class symbol than it is now. [28/12/2014, 7:24:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: "Order now to get the best lifequality enhancements from ChildShaper! Your Child! Their Future!" [28/12/2014, 7:24:12 AM] SF: Maybe catching a cold will be seen as shameful and vulgar. [28/12/2014, 7:24:15 AM] Chris Kluwe: baaaaaaaaaaaarf [28/12/2014, 7:24:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: "Only thirty two easy payments of $99.99 a week!" [28/12/2014, 7:24:58 AM] SF: That tagline you wrote is basically what I want all the megacorps in my Sonic-inspired game to sound like heh. [28/12/2014, 7:25:01 AM] Athena Hollow: Like, I'm totally completely cool with learning the genetic markers for debilitating disabilities & diseases and wiping them the fuck out, but beyond that it's sketchy territory. [28/12/2014, 7:25:15 AM] Remy: I feel like a ton of Gaters have left after seeing the more blatant examples of CP apologia and white supremacist ties [28/12/2014, 7:25:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: problem is, if you don't make it equally accessible to EVERYONE, it'll ALWAYS lead to conflict [28/12/2014, 7:25:29 AM] Remy: Well... if they ever had a "ton" to begin with [28/12/2014, 7:25:33 AM] Athena Hollow: Oh totally agree Chris. [28/12/2014, 7:25:35 AM] Quinnae: Even if you were unfamiliar with the Daily Stormer specifically, if you had a passing familiarity with history, that masthead ought to be a terrifying clue. [28/12/2014, 7:25:40 AM] Ian Cheong: What is the Daily Stormer? Also that's not really a disavowal. “And even then, who cares what someone writes for? That's private life, don't harass a crippled man.” [28/12/2014, 7:25:46 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 7:25:47 AM] Quinnae: Hint: it's not a meteorology journal. [28/12/2014, 7:25:51 AM] SF: This just shows how, yet again, systemic inequalities are to blame more than tech itself. [28/12/2014, 7:25:56 AM] Remy: wow [28/12/2014, 7:26:01 AM] Ian Cheong: private life.... [28/12/2014, 7:26:13 AM] Quinnae: By the way, folks, if you've not seen this yet it's a jolly good laugh, I promise: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/27/pickup-artist-roosh-v-wins-most-unfortunate-metaphor-of-the-year-award-may-not-know-how-babies-are-made/ [28/12/2014, 7:26:13 AM] Ian Cheong: You know what I mean. [28/12/2014, 7:26:24 AM] Remy: "don't harass the man that writes an article, that's his private life" -- from the movement built on harassing people when they write down their opinions [28/12/2014, 7:26:30 AM] Chris Kluwe: "BUT BUT THEY'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT RAINDROPS WIPING OUT THE BLACK NI- SANDS AND THE JE- JERBILS!" [28/12/2014, 7:26:36 AM] SF: This article is his private life but don't you dare say that basement dwelling gamers are an outdated stereotype on an industry blog. [28/12/2014, 7:26:38 AM] Athena Hollow: Like I said before: We have problems with accessible healthcare in industrialized "first world" countries ffs. [28/12/2014, 7:26:45 AM] Ian Cheong: From the people who harass Zoe Quinn for who she may or may not have slept with. [28/12/2014, 7:26:46 AM] Athena Hollow: So yeah, I don't expect it to be attainable :-/ [28/12/2014, 7:27:07 AM] drinternetphd: wheeee [28/12/2014, 7:27:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: those comments doe [28/12/2014, 7:27:22 AM] Ian Cheong: "Neo Nazi website. This is taken out of context though as the 4 points hot wheels mentioned weren't bad ideas ( eugenics is debatable but has its merits)" [28/12/2014, 7:27:27 AM] Ian Cheong: HAS ITS MERITS [28/12/2014, 7:27:31 AM] Ian Cheong: has. its. merits. [28/12/2014, 7:27:34 AM] Athena Hollow: I told ya, they're gonna disassociate the context of the site entirely & fuckery around it. [28/12/2014, 7:27:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: nice new title for the channel! [28/12/2014, 7:27:58 AM] drinternetphd: thanks~ [28/12/2014, 7:27:59 AM] SF: "I'm just saying Hitler had some good ideas." [28/12/2014, 7:28:02 AM] Chris Kluwe: and yeah, i feel like this could be a great thread for gators to show their true colors [28/12/2014, 7:28:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: those rare few who haven't [28/12/2014, 7:28:31 AM] Athena Hollow: Eugenics has no merit. Scientific discovery has its goddamn merits. "culling" the genepool has no goddamn merit. [28/12/2014, 7:28:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: trololol [28/12/2014, 7:28:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: "Don't care about e-celebs opinions on the personal lives of other e-celebs. I don't come here for amateur TMZ hour." [28/12/2014, 7:28:54 AM] Ian Cheong: Culling the gene pool has no scientific merit whatsoever. There's no proof that eugenics even works the way they expect it to. [28/12/2014, 7:29:02 AM] Athena Hollow: I have a feeling these people have no fucking clue what eugenics is actually about. [28/12/2014, 7:29:05 AM] Rob: I wouldn't mind if we had in vitro ways to fix certain things, but eugenics? fuck that noise [28/12/2014, 7:29:13 AM] Athena Hollow: Oh absolutely, Ian. [28/12/2014, 7:29:18 AM] Ian Cheong: StarGate SG-1 had a good episode on a culture of white nationalists who practiced eugenics and wiped out most of their population. [28/12/2014, 7:29:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: "HAY GUIZE BASED MOM WON 6TH PLACE FEMINIST OF THE YEAR AWARD IN THIS CONSERVATIVE WEBSITE!" [28/12/2014, 7:29:25 AM] Rob: I <3 SG-1 [28/12/2014, 7:29:26 AM] SF: This is why loaded terms like eugenics are so powerful. Who doesn't want good genes?? [28/12/2014, 7:29:32 AM] SF: Or Men's Rights Activism. [28/12/2014, 7:29:39 AM] SF: Arguably euthanasia. [28/12/2014, 7:29:40 AM] drinternetphd: which thread is this [28/12/2014, 7:29:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qkimy/thought_you_guys_might_find_milos_disavowal_of/ [28/12/2014, 7:29:54 AM] Athena Hollow: The whole idea of eugenics is based in a flawed scientific theory that nothing random ever happens. [28/12/2014, 7:30:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: IT'S GOLD, JERRY! GOLD I TELL YOU! [28/12/2014, 7:30:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: "Why do I care? It's been known for a long time we don't all agree with each other other than on the topic of Gamergate." [28/12/2014, 7:30:35 AM] SF: Also whats their argument for improving medical health this way over all the other immediate, proved, underfunded methods? [28/12/2014, 7:30:38 AM] Ian Cheong: White nationalists don't believe in genetic diversity, which is science fact, not science fiction like their bullshit. [28/12/2014, 7:31:02 AM] Chris Kluwe: because those underfunded, proven methods don't discriminate against people the nazis don't like [28/12/2014, 7:31:04 AM] Chris Kluwe: hence, they are bad [28/12/2014, 7:31:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: and only bad people would use them [28/12/2014, 7:31:30 AM] SF: Right.. [28/12/2014, 7:31:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: omg [28/12/2014, 7:31:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: "It has probably something to do with stormfront. I'm with Milo on this. He can say what he want I don't have to read it. Besides wasn't Milo called White Nationalist a few posts back? Strange that his reaction to this is yuck! " [28/12/2014, 7:32:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: YESSSSSSSSS [28/12/2014, 7:32:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: this gator has long been a persistent little shit [28/12/2014, 7:32:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: "Sounds stupid, but in all honesty, I would write shit for any site at all if I was getting paid. " [28/12/2014, 7:32:44 AM] Quinnae: Ethics! [28/12/2014, 7:32:44 AM] Ian Cheong: "Why do I care? It's been known for a long time we don't all agree with each other other than on the topic of Gamergate." [28/12/2014, 7:32:46 AM] Quinnae: ETHICS! [28/12/2014, 7:32:55 AM] Quinnae: Gods, I'm sorry, this is just profoundly upsetting. [28/12/2014, 7:33:03 AM] Chris Kluwe: this thread is going total ethics [28/12/2014, 7:33:09 AM] Quinnae: Nazis actually want people like me dead. [28/12/2014, 7:33:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: we could be approaching... an ethics vortex [28/12/2014, 7:33:18 AM] Quinnae: Damn these people. [28/12/2014, 7:33:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: i wish i could point this out to everyone they're even remotely associated with [28/12/2014, 7:33:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: and be like "THIS. THIS IS WHAT THESE PEOPLE BELEIVE." [28/12/2014, 7:34:16 AM] Ian Cheong: "Hotwheelz would also write for Jezebel or a communist site or a Klan site. It's advertisement for 8chan. And if left wing sites write articles about him writing for Stromfront he'll rejoice since that'll give 8chan even more exposure. He has nothing to lose, they already call 8chan a haven for pedophiles. He made it clear in the AJ discussion. If one doesn't fear what the Nazis have to say there is no need to shut them up." [28/12/2014, 7:34:25 AM] Ian Cheong: full ethics. [28/12/2014, 7:34:41 AM] Chris Kluwe: all aboard the ethics-train [28/12/2014, 7:34:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: next stop, WHOOOOOOOOOOPOTATOCRAZYLAND [28/12/2014, 7:35:28 AM] Athena Hollow: geeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz [28/12/2014, 7:35:47 AM] Athena Hollow: They already call 8chan a haven for pedophiles.... because it was already known as a haven TO pedophiles [28/12/2014, 7:35:58 AM] Athena Hollow: It's not like people just suddenly decided to associate the two lol [28/12/2014, 7:36:07 AM] Ian Cheong: archived in case it gets deleted. [28/12/2014, 7:36:08 AM] Ian Cheong: https://archive.today/PN94j [28/12/2014, 7:36:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: i linked to it on ghazi, so the mods might take it down soon [28/12/2014, 7:36:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: but we'll see how long it lasts [28/12/2014, 7:37:06 AM] Chris Kluwe: "I don't see GamerGate mentioned in any form or way? How should this has any relevance at all? " [28/12/2014, 7:37:11 AM] Athena Hollow: But yeah, them handwaving him writing for that site is hilarious. Either they have to admit that they support a white nationalist, or that he's NOT a white nationalist who they endorse writing on a white nationalist site - which undermines their argument that non-gamers can't write about gaming. [28/12/2014, 7:37:13 AM] drinternetphd: i am choking on all these ethics [28/12/2014, 7:37:19 AM] Quinnae: Christ. [28/12/2014, 7:37:21 AM] Athena Hollow: Either way, their arguments go down the shitter. [28/12/2014, 7:37:37 AM] drinternetphd: j/k I just made a delicious avocado and tomato salad [28/12/2014, 7:37:41 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:37:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: mmm [28/12/2014, 7:37:48 AM] Ian Cheong: yum [28/12/2014, 7:37:57 AM] Rob: "I have lots of ethics. I have 1488 ethics to be precise." - Hotwheels and his defenders, essentially. [28/12/2014, 7:38:11 AM] Athena Hollow: XD [28/12/2014, 7:39:23 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/KiAtxt/status/548984176972550145 LOL I <3 kiatxt [28/12/2014, 7:39:35 AM] SF: Avocados are the most underrated vegetable. [28/12/2014, 7:39:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: rofl [28/12/2014, 7:39:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: the nuclear suitcase [28/12/2014, 7:39:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: instead of "Holy shit that's disgusting get rid of it NOAWWWWW" [28/12/2014, 7:40:00 AM] Athena Hollow: yup [28/12/2014, 7:40:01 AM] SF: So they're walking around with child porn handcuffed to their wrist. [28/12/2014, 7:40:03 AM] Athena Hollow: hahahaha [28/12/2014, 7:40:09 AM] Quinnae: They're really just morally bankrupt at this point. [28/12/2014, 7:40:36 AM] Athena Hollow: What's really funny is they pull the "Well if we leave 8chan, we have nowhere to go" argument, except - the script that runs it is fucking open source [28/12/2014, 7:40:39 AM] drinternetphd: never been anything but [28/12/2014, 7:40:42 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 7:40:44 AM] Athena Hollow: They could literally start their own anon board. [28/12/2014, 7:40:46 AM] Quinnae: Another thing that this thread, along with all the other 8chan defence threads on KiA, demonstrates is that there is a strong, abiding link between the two forums, one oft denied when it's convenient but which is out in the open for any to see now. [28/12/2014, 7:40:51 AM] Remy: Basically just all the veneer is chipping off [28/12/2014, 7:40:52 AM] Quinnae: Well, of course, Zoe. [28/12/2014, 7:40:59 AM] Remy: Oh look, they've been polishing a turd for five months [28/12/2014, 7:41:01 AM] Ian Cheong: Why don't they just start their own site? [28/12/2014, 7:41:05 AM] Quinnae: Perhaps fairer to say that they're in an ever growing moral debt. ;P [28/12/2014, 7:41:10 AM] Remy: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Who knew? [28/12/2014, 7:41:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: but then they have to squeeze out a new turd, Ian! [28/12/2014, 7:41:16 AM] Athena Hollow: Because they don't know that a website returning a blank page means the database is still down? [28/12/2014, 7:41:24 AM] drinternetphd: return down for what [28/12/2014, 7:41:28 AM] drinternetphd: I'm sorry [28/12/2014, 7:41:30 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 7:41:31 AM] drinternetphd: I'll see myself out [28/12/2014, 7:41:32 AM] Remy: OMG [28/12/2014, 7:41:37 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:41:42 AM] Ian Cheong: Hahahahahaha [28/12/2014, 7:41:43 AM] Remy: I wanna high five you so bad right now [28/12/2014, 7:41:45 AM] Rob: NERO: "Mr. President, Zoe Quinn has launched an attack on the 101st Ethics division. They're being wiped out. What should we do?" PRESIDENT GENERAL LORD COMMANDER DR. SLADE Q. VILLENA, PhD DPhil MBA MPP: "We have no choice. Get me the codes for the Child Porn. We'll flood those SJW bastards with Loli and shota until they give up." [28/12/2014, 7:42:02 AM] Remy: Which means it's probably super nerdy of you :P lol [28/12/2014, 7:42:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: obviously he's in full third world military fruit salad [28/12/2014, 7:42:14 AM] Athena Hollow: LMAO [28/12/2014, 7:42:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: and polished aviators [28/12/2014, 7:42:24 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 7:42:24 AM] Rob: :D [28/12/2014, 7:42:34 AM] Ian Cheong: wow [28/12/2014, 7:42:36 AM] Ian Cheong: "What, I'm supposed to care about taking their money? Money is money, as long as I'm not breaking laws, I want it!" [28/12/2014, 7:42:38 AM] Remy: No Villena would give himself a military rank [28/12/2014, 7:42:46 AM] Chris Kluwe: and when he takes the aviators off to look ominously into the camera [28/12/2014, 7:42:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: there's an eyepatch over BOTH EYES [28/12/2014, 7:42:51 AM] Athena Hollow: TOTAL. ETHICS. [28/12/2014, 7:43:22 AM] Rob: But see, Slade's stupid, so it'd be like when Homer made his own company and was like - "I think I'll be... Vice President! NO! /Junior/ Vice President!" [28/12/2014, 7:43:28 AM] Rob: So Slade'd make himself a PFC. [28/12/2014, 7:43:41 AM] Athena Hollow: "It's ok that HE makes money talking on a site that is for white supremacy, BUT FUCK THOSE WEMMINS TALKIN BOUT GAEMZ." [28/12/2014, 7:43:48 AM] Ian Cheong: It says "First Class" in PFC, that means I'm first. Numero uno. [28/12/2014, 7:43:53 AM] Rob: :D [28/12/2014, 7:44:30 AM] Athena Hollow: I personally don't get how this much of a group of people can be soooooooo fucking dense. [28/12/2014, 7:44:45 AM] Rob: Hang out with atheists on youtube. [28/12/2014, 7:44:52 AM] Rob: It's mostly the same crowd. [28/12/2014, 7:44:52 AM] Athena Hollow: No thank you, Rob. LOL [28/12/2014, 7:44:56 AM] drinternetphd: "hello miss quinn please consult for my silicon valley startup for free because justice" [28/12/2014, 7:44:58 AM] drinternetphd: hmmm no [28/12/2014, 7:45:01 AM] Athena Hollow: I prefer NOT bashing my face on the keyboard. [28/12/2014, 7:45:06 AM] Quinnae: As I've often said, their ideology and its abstract telos are all that matters to them. Everything, and I mean everything else is subordinate. [28/12/2014, 7:45:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: i was a keynote speaker at an atheist convention [28/12/2014, 7:45:14 AM] Quinnae: Heh, Zoe... [28/12/2014, 7:45:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: and i basically said [28/12/2014, 7:45:22 AM] Chris Kluwe: "Don't be an asshole" [28/12/2014, 7:45:24 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:45:27 AM] Rob: Chris, I fucking love you [28/12/2014, 7:45:27 AM] drinternetphd: lol [28/12/2014, 7:45:32 AM] Athena Hollow: You get booed off the stage? [28/12/2014, 7:45:33 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:45:35 AM] Quinnae: Currently in a chat with a friend I've not spoken to in months. She wants my help counselling how to deal with her transphobic boyfriend. [28/12/2014, 7:45:40 AM] Athena Hollow: "THAT'S ALL WE KNOW HOW TO DO!" [28/12/2014, 7:45:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: haha nah, they were so happy to see me there [28/12/2014, 7:45:46 AM] Quinnae: Trying very, very hard to not tell her, simply, "Break up with him. Now, pay me." [28/12/2014, 7:45:52 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:45:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh quinn [28/12/2014, 7:45:59 AM] Rob: :D [28/12/2014, 7:46:15 AM] Quinnae: And I do mean massively transphobic, Fox News talking points style. [28/12/2014, 7:46:18 AM] Rob: Alright, gonna get ready for dinner. I'll talk to you folks later. [28/12/2014, 7:46:21 AM] Athena Hollow: good god. gross. [28/12/2014, 7:46:23 AM] drinternetphd: i need more fingers so I can get "fuck you pay me" across my knuckles [28/12/2014, 7:46:23 AM] Ian Cheong: Later Rob [28/12/2014, 7:46:24 AM] Athena Hollow: cya Rob. [28/12/2014, 7:46:26 AM] Quinnae: So, I feel your pain to a lesser extent. [28/12/2014, 7:46:26 AM] drinternetphd: later~ [28/12/2014, 7:46:32 AM] Charloppe: O.o how did that relationship arise in the first place? [28/12/2014, 7:46:36 AM] Quinnae: Farewell, Rob. [28/12/2014, 7:46:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: the longer form of my speech was "If you demand that religions stop existing because you don't agree with them, you're just as bad and fundamentalist as they are. So don't do it." [28/12/2014, 7:46:47 AM] Remy: few [28/12/2014, 7:46:49 AM] Remy: ewww* [28/12/2014, 7:46:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: later rob [28/12/2014, 7:46:53 AM] Quinnae: I'll be honest, I don't understand straight women, Snarfybarf. [28/12/2014, 7:47:06 AM] Ian Cheong: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, or something. Golden rule, yeah Chris? [28/12/2014, 7:47:07 AM] Athena Hollow: Agree. My only issue w/ religion ever is when they start imposing themselves as the voice of the majority. [28/12/2014, 7:47:09 AM] Charloppe: im with you there katherine [28/12/2014, 7:47:11 AM] Chris Kluwe: pretty much ian [28/12/2014, 7:47:12 AM] Remy: I read "Fox News Talking Points Style" and I was like oh, you mean Aggressively Opinionated and Intentionally Misinformed? [28/12/2014, 7:47:17 AM] Randi Harper: woah [28/12/2014, 7:47:17 AM] Randi Harper: wat [28/12/2014, 7:47:22 AM] drinternetphd: I mean I'm not straight but there's definitely decent straight dudes out there. [28/12/2014, 7:47:23 AM] Chris Kluwe: and yes athena, that's what i told them they need to be fighting against [28/12/2014, 7:47:27 AM] drinternetphd: like alex [28/12/2014, 7:47:27 AM] Randi Harper: i just got an email from a congressional aide [28/12/2014, 7:47:31 AM] drinternetphd: oh which one [28/12/2014, 7:47:36 AM] Randi Harper: noam ross? [28/12/2014, 7:47:36 AM] Remy: whoa [28/12/2014, 7:47:42 AM] drinternetphd: mark delaura? [28/12/2014, 7:47:42 AM] Randi Harper: wait no [28/12/2014, 7:47:43 AM] drinternetphd: ohhh [28/12/2014, 7:47:44 AM] Randi Harper: Miriam goldstein [28/12/2014, 7:47:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: wow [28/12/2014, 7:47:50 AM] Remy: wow [28/12/2014, 7:47:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's pretty cool [28/12/2014, 7:48:10 AM] Randi Harper: ... they want muh statistics [28/12/2014, 7:48:12 AM] Athena Hollow: hah! [28/12/2014, 7:48:16 AM] Remy: WHOA [28/12/2014, 7:48:18 AM] Athena Hollow: numberporn [28/12/2014, 7:48:21 AM] drinternetphd: mark deloura's my whitehouse contact dude - if he ever ends up reaching out to you too just fyi he's good people [28/12/2014, 7:48:22 AM] Randi Harper: squeee [28/12/2014, 7:48:25 AM] Remy: RANDI CRACKIN THE CODE OVER HERE [28/12/2014, 7:48:29 AM] Randi Harper: gotcha. :D [28/12/2014, 7:48:30 AM] Remy: (ninja) [28/12/2014, 7:48:38 AM] Randi Harper: man this is going to be intense. [28/12/2014, 7:48:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: i'm sure they'd love to be able to use this to actively identify and track harassers [28/12/2014, 7:48:49 AM] drinternetphd: he's on the white house subcomittee for tech and I know he's been pushing GG shit up there [28/12/2014, 7:48:51 AM] Remy: I mean srsly you have always been this awesome [28/12/2014, 7:48:56 AM] Quinnae: Excellent work, Randi! [28/12/2014, 7:49:01 AM] Randi Harper: I've done a lot of stuff outside of gamergate recently that i haven't made public [28/12/2014, 7:49:01 AM] Remy: But so cool that it's finally getting the recognition it deserves :D [28/12/2014, 7:49:04 AM] Randi Harper: like the ISIS stuff. [28/12/2014, 7:49:06 AM] drinternetphd: esp cause the head of his department is a lady looking to change stuff [28/12/2014, 7:49:13 AM] Randi Harper: i mean, it's public-ish [28/12/2014, 7:49:16 AM] Randi Harper: but I've downplayed it [28/12/2014, 7:49:16 AM] drinternetphd: that's neat [28/12/2014, 7:49:24 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah that's really cool. [28/12/2014, 7:49:27 AM] Randi Harper: because getting on ISIS bad side is a bit of a different problem from gamergate [28/12/2014, 7:49:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: well, the other governmental problem is we need some supreme court justices who actually understand tech [28/12/2014, 7:49:31 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah [28/12/2014, 7:49:32 AM] drinternetphd: ha yeah [28/12/2014, 7:49:38 AM] Remy: right? [28/12/2014, 7:49:42 AM] drinternetphd: chris: welcome to one of the bigger thesises of my fucking book [28/12/2014, 7:49:49 AM] Remy: They actually do push-ups and shit [28/12/2014, 7:49:51 AM] Athena Hollow: Or, ya know, SCOTUS that understands the constitution would be nice. [28/12/2014, 7:49:53 AM] drinternetphd: I am still so ticked that the judge on my case was like "lol stop posting then" [28/12/2014, 7:49:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, we're in that weird transitional phase right now [28/12/2014, 7:49:58 AM] Athena Hollow: Like, as a living document not set in stone & all that jazz [28/12/2014, 7:50:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: and strict constitutionalists can eat all the bags of dicks [28/12/2014, 7:50:30 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah, that literal reading shit annoys the piss out of me. [28/12/2014, 7:50:30 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 7:50:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: such a fucking bankrupt position to take [28/12/2014, 7:50:41 AM] Athena Hollow: "It says MAN so of course, it doesn't mean women" [28/12/2014, 7:50:42 AM] Remy: I'm the looniest person here [28/12/2014, 7:50:53 AM] Quinnae: Yeah, Zoe, after you told me what that judge had told you, I felt reminded of the urgency of the theses I've been promoting with my work. [28/12/2014, 7:50:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: ESPECIALLY because Scalia (the worst of the lot), conveniently forgets that position when it's to his benefit [28/12/2014, 7:50:59 AM] Rob: Apparently we're not leaving for another 20 minutes [28/12/2014, 7:51:13 AM] Athena Hollow: Ugh yeah, his fucking flip flopping bullshit pisses me off to no end. [28/12/2014, 7:51:14 AM] Rob: But yeah, Scalia's a joke [28/12/2014, 7:51:17 AM] Remy: I know this is a very old opinion but I think the 3/5ths compromise makes the constitution a pro-slavery document and we need to replace it with a new one. [28/12/2014, 7:51:19 AM] Athena Hollow: I <3 RBG tho. [28/12/2014, 7:51:20 AM] Quinnae: It's, unfortunately, still a novel idea that the internet is real and can inflict real harms (or, conversely, that it can be a necessity to interact with). [28/12/2014, 7:51:24 AM] Randi Harper: arenas better [28/12/2014, 7:51:31 AM] Remy: Without all of the gendered language and inserted religious doctrine mere [28/12/2014, 7:51:34 AM] Rob: Did y'all see when he referenced one of his own prior decisions but got it totally wrong? [28/12/2014, 7:51:45 AM] Athena Hollow: Stephen: I read a big article not long ago about how we really need a new constitution drafted every few generations, and I think they're right. [28/12/2014, 7:51:46 AM] Chris Kluwe: quinnae - the other thing we have to be pushing for is equal access to information for everyone [28/12/2014, 7:51:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: internet should be a basic human right [28/12/2014, 7:51:54 AM] Athena Hollow: Wouldn't be surprised Rob lol [28/12/2014, 7:51:59 AM] Rob: I always disagree w/ that Athena for one reason [28/12/2014, 7:52:06 AM] Rob: Imagine a constitutional convention being held right now. [28/12/2014, 7:52:07 AM] drinternetphd: internet should be a basic human right the way literacy should be [28/12/2014, 7:52:11 AM] Remy: Like... why wouldn't we constantly update and refine and define how we govern and protect ourselves? [28/12/2014, 7:52:15 AM] Quinnae: Quite, that's something I argue as well, Chris and Zoe. [28/12/2014, 7:52:18 AM] Remy: And ^ to Zoe [28/12/2014, 7:52:25 AM] Athena Hollow: Rob: It would need to be drafted specifically by people who would be alive for the duration [28/12/2014, 7:52:27 AM] Remy: But also safety on the internet [28/12/2014, 7:52:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: i'm actually working on a piece arguing that from an evolutionary standpoint [28/12/2014, 7:52:35 AM] Athena Hollow: So a majority of these dudes who would do it would be exempt. [28/12/2014, 7:52:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: because evolution, at its most basic, is the transfer of information [28/12/2014, 7:52:42 AM] Ian Cheong: Hasn't Finland or some other Scandinavian country declared the Internet to be a basic human right? [28/12/2014, 7:52:47 AM] Quinnae: And I have a forthcoming paper on Digital Citizenship! [28/12/2014, 7:52:56 AM] Remy: If this were a huge storm of telephone death threats in the '60s they would have put an end to this shit [28/12/2014, 7:53:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: so if you create an internet that gives some citizens access to more information than others [28/12/2014, 7:53:02 AM] Remy: What is this argument we're having [28/12/2014, 7:53:07 AM] Rob: Even if it's not a basic human right, giving everyone access to the internet is a great idea economically [28/12/2014, 7:53:10 AM] Athena Hollow: yup [28/12/2014, 7:53:15 AM] Chris Kluwe: then they'll be more likely to reproduce effectively [28/12/2014, 7:53:17 AM] Rob: It's like 'Should we build the interstate highways? y/n" [28/12/2014, 7:53:18 AM] drinternetphd: yes god yes passing down info is the thing that makes us effective [28/12/2014, 7:53:34 AM] Ian Cheong: The internet is the great enabler. [28/12/2014, 7:53:48 AM] drinternetphd: that's one of the reasons all my shit is towards making tech accessible to nontraditional groups [28/12/2014, 7:53:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: conversely, if you restrict the internet, you end up with Idiocracy [28/12/2014, 7:53:58 AM] drinternetphd: biohacking, games, whathaveyou [28/12/2014, 7:54:18 AM] Remy: Hmm [28/12/2014, 7:54:21 AM] Chris Kluwe: because people eventually get to the point where they don't know the questions to ask, nor even that the data is there [28/12/2014, 7:54:41 AM] Ian Cheong: Chris, KIA's pretty mad at you. [28/12/2014, 7:54:45 AM] Remy: I should draft up a proposal for a game jam for local NA residents in WA and send it to you [28/12/2014, 7:54:48 AM] drinternetphd: oh no their fee fees [28/12/2014, 7:54:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: haha, i don't doubt it [28/12/2014, 7:54:54 AM] Chris Kluwe: REALS>FEELS [28/12/2014, 7:54:59 AM] Quinnae: Chris, thank you for tanking these things by the way. [28/12/2014, 7:55:01 AM] Athena Hollow: And with a 24/7 news cycle demonizing the internet, with what to trust/not to trust, it's hard to filter out the noise of what to search for as well. [28/12/2014, 7:55:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh no problem at all [28/12/2014, 7:55:12 AM] Quinnae: I can't begin to tell you how stressful that would be for someone like me. [28/12/2014, 7:55:22 AM] Chris Kluwe: these idiots would never have even registered on the realm forums :) [28/12/2014, 7:55:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: i mean, those boards were INSANE back when blizzard didn't moderate them [28/12/2014, 7:55:50 AM] Ian Cheong: I recall. [28/12/2014, 7:55:53 AM] Ian Cheong: They were really bad. [28/12/2014, 7:55:58 AM] Athena Hollow: Barrens chat in board form LOL [28/12/2014, 7:56:00 AM] Ian Cheong: Anders Breivik posting on the forums bad. [28/12/2014, 7:56:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: and also people yelling things at me on the internet is far less hurtful than actually having a 250 pound man put his shoulder into my sternum at full speed :p [28/12/2014, 7:56:22 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 7:56:23 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 7:56:25 AM] Ian Cheong: ha [28/12/2014, 7:56:38 AM] Randi Harper: mmm, barrens chat [28/12/2014, 7:56:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: i literally thought i was dying the game that happened [28/12/2014, 7:56:46 AM] Remy: They have tried so hard to hurt my fee-fees. [28/12/2014, 7:56:48 AM] Quinnae: Hehehe, hi fives Chris [28/12/2014, 7:56:55 AM] Chris Kluwe: \o [28/12/2014, 7:57:17 AM] Athena Hollow: ugh i bet. I had a 180 dude do similar to me when I was playing football.... and that sucked (but was middle school so not as fast or detrimental luckily lol) [28/12/2014, 7:57:40 AM] Remy: I don't even have to reach back to memories of combat to trump these Gaters. I have had missions for months without fresh water or food, just bottled water and MRE's. I have had poops that have bothered me worse than all of these Gaters combined. [28/12/2014, 7:57:49 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:58:21 AM] Quinnae: hugs Stephen [28/12/2014, 7:58:24 AM] Remy: but no please keep burning me sickly [28/12/2014, 7:58:24 AM] Randi Harper: you guys are all hardcore. [28/12/2014, 7:58:29 AM] Randi Harper: and i'm just... "i code in perl voluntarily." [28/12/2014, 7:58:30 AM] Remy: #GamerGateSongs [28/12/2014, 7:58:31 AM] Athena Hollow: hahaha [28/12/2014, 7:58:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: rofl randy [28/12/2014, 7:58:34 AM] drinternetphd: woah [28/12/2014, 7:58:39 AM] Remy: I need to tweet that like a fool [28/12/2014, 7:58:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: *randi [28/12/2014, 7:58:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: perl is the harshest mistress of all [28/12/2014, 7:58:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: or "pearl" as the gators like to call it [28/12/2014, 7:58:59 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 7:59:03 AM] Ian Cheong: I got kicked in the face once. Does that count [28/12/2014, 7:59:07 AM] Randi Harper: yeah. it wasn't doing what i needed it to do, sadly. so i learned ruby for the stats stuff [28/12/2014, 7:59:08 AM] Remy: ouch [28/12/2014, 7:59:08 AM] Remy: yes [28/12/2014, 7:59:18 AM] Remy: Now you know what Mike Tyson has tried to warn us all about [28/12/2014, 7:59:19 AM] Athena Hollow: shudders ruby [28/12/2014, 7:59:20 AM] drinternetphd: i program pearls on my raspberry pies [28/12/2014, 7:59:27 AM] Remy: Everybody has a plan until they get hit in the mouth [28/12/2014, 7:59:29 AM] Randi Harper: god. the number of gaters that have said i'm terrible at "pearl" [28/12/2014, 7:59:46 AM] Chris Kluwe: my absolute favorite thing to do to gators that bring up the CBS story is to reply with [citation needed] [28/12/2014, 7:59:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: they get SO MAD [28/12/2014, 7:59:51 AM] Randi Harper: it's almost like they don't realize that having the ability to read a perl program and understand it means it's amazing perl. [28/12/2014, 7:59:52 AM] Athena Hollow: XD [28/12/2014, 7:59:54 AM] Chris Kluwe: and it's so beautiful [28/12/2014, 8:00:03 AM] Randi Harper: zoe: OMG [28/12/2014, 8:00:05 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 8:00:08 AM] Randi Harper: raspberry pi is in SF in january [28/12/2014, 8:00:14 AM] Randi Harper: and the board is taking me out for dinner and I AM SO EXCITE [28/12/2014, 8:00:17 AM] drinternetphd: eeeee [28/12/2014, 8:00:18 AM] drinternetphd: that rules [28/12/2014, 8:00:18 AM] Athena Hollow: sweet! [28/12/2014, 8:00:20 AM] Ian Cheong: raspberry pi has been great about Gamergate. [28/12/2014, 8:00:22 AM] Randi Harper: I've never met them before [28/12/2014, 8:00:24 AM] Quinnae: Oh, nice. Congrats! [28/12/2014, 8:00:25 AM] drinternetphd: yeah they have [28/12/2014, 8:00:26 AM] Ian Cheong: i love that they publicly called out GG [28/12/2014, 8:00:42 AM] Randi Harper: yes, the woman manning their twitter account has been talking to me in DM for months. she is a sweetheart. sucks that she's going through all of this. [28/12/2014, 8:00:57 AM] Ian Cheong: Then there was that one gator who said his wife worked for a school district and that he was gonna tell hsi wife to pull out of using Raspberry Pi and hurt kids in the process. [28/12/2014, 8:01:03 AM] Athena Hollow: lol yeah. [28/12/2014, 8:01:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah that scumbag [28/12/2014, 8:01:12 AM] Athena Hollow: "MY WIFE WILL HURT THE KIDS BECAUSE I'M A RAGING MANBABY!" [28/12/2014, 8:01:18 AM] Randi Harper: i just got my first pi as a speaker gift when i spoke at devopsdays Chicago. it was going to become part of my robot, but i had to stop working on the robot when GG happened. :\ [28/12/2014, 8:01:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: REALS>FEELS [28/12/2014, 8:01:19 AM] Athena Hollow: twoo.wuv. [28/12/2014, 8:01:26 AM] Quinnae: Did she actually go through with it? [28/12/2014, 8:01:30 AM] Randi Harper: wasn't that guy disproved? [28/12/2014, 8:01:34 AM] Ian Cheong: No idea. [28/12/2014, 8:01:37 AM] Randi Harper: like the title he said his wife had wouldn't have the power to do that thing. [28/12/2014, 8:01:37 AM] Randi Harper: iirc [28/12/2014, 8:01:55 AM] Chris Kluwe: no one knows because gators pull shit out of their ass faster than a magician at a tijuana donkey show [28/12/2014, 8:01:56 AM] Athena Hollow: probably. There's tons of disingenuous asshats in gg. [28/12/2014, 8:02:31 AM] Athena Hollow: Like the dude who started the kickstarter thing to get a 'lawyer', who was in actuality his fucking wife. [28/12/2014, 8:02:38 AM] Quinnae: Hah. Yes, I remember that. [28/12/2014, 8:02:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: and they never learn [28/12/2014, 8:02:45 AM] Quinnae: Ever intensifying ethics. [28/12/2014, 8:02:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: "trust, but verify" [28/12/2014, 8:02:49 AM] Ian Cheong: "LawyerFag" he went by. [28/12/2014, 8:03:00 AM] Quinnae: How's the KiA thread going, by the way? [28/12/2014, 8:03:09 AM] Athena Hollow: The fact that he was married really makes me weep that they might reproduce -_- [28/12/2014, 8:03:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: getting downvoted heavily [28/12/2014, 8:03:13 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 8:03:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: par for the course [28/12/2014, 8:03:22 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: 3009? Gah. [28/12/2014, 8:03:39 AM] Athena Hollow: 0 (29% upvoted) [28/12/2014, 8:03:41 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 8:04:21 AM] Ian Cheong: they mad. [28/12/2014, 8:04:30 AM] Randi Harper: hmm. it would be a neat art installation if i modified my robot. right now it has the ability to follow someone around. but what if i added speakers to the pi and it'd follow someone speaking out gamergate hashtaged tweets every 2 minutes. that would get psychologically intense after a while. [28/12/2014, 8:04:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: they're also bringing on the personal attacks [28/12/2014, 8:04:34 AM] Athena Hollow: HAHAHHA I just saw your response to the rando about e-celebs. [28/12/2014, 8:04:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: which are always fun [28/12/2014, 8:04:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: lol, yeah, i thought that one was salient [28/12/2014, 8:05:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: randi [28/12/2014, 8:05:15 AM] Chris Kluwe: i think your robot might get kicked REALLY hard if it did that [28/12/2014, 8:05:22 AM] Randi Harper: haha [28/12/2014, 8:05:24 AM] Randi Harper: it is pretty small. [28/12/2014, 8:05:26 AM] Athena Hollow: and hahahaha they keep posting the same singular cbssports.com article XD [28/12/2014, 8:05:28 AM] Ian Cheong: actually it's about ethics in robotic engineering [28/12/2014, 8:05:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: haha yup [28/12/2014, 8:05:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: and i keep going [citation needed] and they just lose it [28/12/2014, 8:05:49 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 8:06:00 AM] Randi Harper: i was building it so a coworker could telecommute without me having to show up at meetings with a laptop to Skype him. [28/12/2014, 8:06:08 AM] Randi Harper: he could just pilot the robot around the office [28/12/2014, 8:06:20 AM] drinternetphd: haha [28/12/2014, 8:06:28 AM] Randi Harper: it is amazing the lengths i will go to so i can be lazy [28/12/2014, 8:06:33 AM] drinternetphd: i'm working on functional pi powered pip boys with the lady I'm crashing with [28/12/2014, 8:06:38 AM] drinternetphd: we're dorks [28/12/2014, 8:06:41 AM] Ian Cheong: fuckin' rad. [28/12/2014, 8:06:49 AM] Randi Harper: pip boys? [28/12/2014, 8:06:50 AM] Ian Cheong: I want a pipboy. [28/12/2014, 8:06:52 AM] drinternetphd: yeah from fallout [28/12/2014, 8:07:03 AM] Randi Harper: i couldn't play fallout. >.> [28/12/2014, 8:07:07 AM] Randi Harper: oh is that the arm thing [28/12/2014, 8:07:09 AM] Ian Cheong: you know when that apple watch comes out im going to buy it. [28/12/2014, 8:07:12 AM] drinternetphd: I have arduino shields for heart sensors, gps and all kinds of shit so it can actually function like in game [28/12/2014, 8:07:23 AM] drinternetphd: they make a geiger counter one I really want [28/12/2014, 8:07:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: self awareness - zero "That's the main reason. He's riding gamergate mainly because it's free press for him. He doesn't give a shit what people think of him. " [28/12/2014, 8:07:46 AM] Remy: You know what would be sick Zoe [28/12/2014, 8:07:51 AM] Remy: Is if you secretly embeddded [28/12/2014, 8:07:53 AM] Remy: Fallout [28/12/2014, 8:07:55 AM] Remy: Into the UI [28/12/2014, 8:08:00 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 8:08:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: they're referring to hotwheels there btw [28/12/2014, 8:08:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: so they KNOW he's in it for the press [28/12/2014, 8:08:14 AM] Athena Hollow: woowwwwwww [28/12/2014, 8:08:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: and they still defend him [28/12/2014, 8:08:22 AM] Athena Hollow: And yet, we're shitty non-gamers [28/12/2014, 8:08:25 AM] Athena Hollow: facepalm [28/12/2014, 8:08:25 AM] Ian Cheong: What is wrong with them. [28/12/2014, 8:08:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: AYUP [28/12/2014, 8:08:36 AM] Athena Hollow: Welp, time to set the internet on fire and start over. [28/12/2014, 8:08:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: pretty sure this thread is getting nuked soon [28/12/2014, 8:08:41 AM] Ian Cheong: Notice that question is rhetorical. [28/12/2014, 8:08:50 AM] Randi Harper: what thread [28/12/2014, 8:09:06 AM] Ian Cheong: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qkimy/thought_you_guys_might_find_milos_disavowal_of/ [28/12/2014, 8:09:53 AM] Chris Kluwe: "Seems like a bad choice for him, but he runs a web site I don't use so I am pretty unconcerned by his choice." [28/12/2014, 8:10:26 AM] Ian Cheong: "Linking this to your buddies in GamerGhazi is pretty indicative of posting in bad faith. Removing this thread for violating Rule 3, and if we get anymore posters from that sub here we'll be reporting you to the admins as well." [28/12/2014, 8:10:29 AM] Ian Cheong: a mod wrote this [28/12/2014, 8:10:36 AM] Ian Cheong: looks like it's nuked. [28/12/2014, 8:10:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: haha [28/12/2014, 8:10:56 AM] Ian Cheong: archived. https://archive.today/OntzY [28/12/2014, 8:11:01 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 8:11:18 AM] Quinnae: Take off every downvote! [28/12/2014, 8:11:22 AM] Ian Cheong: Hahaha [28/12/2014, 8:11:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: because pointing out something that is actually important to their cause, and then talking to people using at as an excuse for personal attacks, is me acting in bad faith [28/12/2014, 8:11:37 AM] Chris Kluwe: they're so precious [28/12/2014, 8:11:44 AM] Faruk Ates: Faruk Ates tests [28/12/2014, 8:11:46 AM] Athena Hollow: They are so fucking hypocritical [28/12/2014, 8:11:47 AM] Athena Hollow: Hey faruk! [28/12/2014, 8:11:54 AM] Quinnae: Chris, why are you posting to KiA in bad faith? Instead of, you know, defending 8chan? [28/12/2014, 8:11:55 AM] Faruk Ates: hooray skype's not crashing [28/12/2014, 8:11:56 AM] Faruk Ates: Hi all! [28/12/2014, 8:12:00 AM] drinternetphd: hey [28/12/2014, 8:12:00 AM] Quinnae: Hey there Faruk! [28/12/2014, 8:12:02 AM] Ian Cheong: Hi Faruk [28/12/2014, 8:12:06 AM] drinternetphd: shit I should nap before DDR time [28/12/2014, 8:12:07 AM] drinternetphd: later~ [28/12/2014, 8:12:09 AM] Athena Hollow: cya Zoe [28/12/2014, 8:12:11 AM] Ian Cheong: later Zoe [28/12/2014, 8:12:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh that's right,i forgot, i just need to agree with everything they say to have a rational argument with them [28/12/2014, 8:12:16 AM] Quinnae: Take care Zoe. [28/12/2014, 8:12:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: hey faruk, later zoe [28/12/2014, 8:12:21 AM] Athena Hollow: God their shit is so transparent LOL [28/12/2014, 8:12:28 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 8:12:30 AM] Remy: They so salty [28/12/2014, 8:12:38 AM] Remy: So many flavors they could be [28/12/2014, 8:12:50 AM] Athena Hollow: "We don't want anyone posting here from /that/ place... but let us attack the shit out of you on twitter after you explicitly ask us to stop" [28/12/2014, 8:13:35 AM] Ian Cheong: i like this ghazi post that just went up: [28/12/2014, 8:13:37 AM] Ian Cheong: "In a thread about Le Based Mom being on a "Women of the Year" list, #GamerGators hold Malala Yousafzai up as an example of a good feminist because she doesn't focus on "first-world problems". Forget Factual Feminist is there for "being a hero to GG"." [28/12/2014, 8:13:59 AM] Chris Kluwe: but but but but [28/12/2014, 8:14:02 AM] Athena Hollow: ..... [28/12/2014, 8:14:06 AM] Chris Kluwe: Gaming is an EVERY WORLD PROBLEM [28/12/2014, 8:14:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: MAH FEEFEES [28/12/2014, 8:14:12 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 8:15:00 AM] SF: She was shot in the head for wanting a right to game. Or something. [28/12/2014, 8:15:21 AM] Athena Hollow: What pisses me off is that, yes, feminism is a worldly issue, and white feminism is the problem - which many people (especially anti-feminist dudebros) don't seem to realize that we hate as well. But just because women in other countries have it monumentally worse, doesn't mean that women in 'first world' countries should be happy with the lot they are allowed to have. [28/12/2014, 8:15:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: ugh, that argument [28/12/2014, 8:15:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: the "don't try to make something better because somewhere else is worse" [28/12/2014, 8:15:52 AM] Athena Hollow: It's the "Children are starving in africa" debate [28/12/2014, 8:15:56 AM] Ian Cheong: They are weaponizing women who don't live in industrialized nations. [28/12/2014, 8:16:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: i just want to logic them into sanity, but i know it won't work [28/12/2014, 8:16:32 AM] Remy: https://twitter.com/PsychokineticEX/status/548934023012425729 [28/12/2014, 8:16:34 AM] Remy: SO SALTY [28/12/2014, 8:16:36 AM] Ian Cheong: For all their talk of rationality, they are so delusional. [28/12/2014, 8:16:48 AM] Athena Hollow: Hell, they weaponize women who DO live in industrialized nations who have parents who may not have. I had some dude argue w/ me saying I was ignoring and dismissing and KILLING people like Mercedes, because she's "brown skinned" and I, as a white feminist, was ignoring her. [28/12/2014, 8:16:51 AM] Athena Hollow: and slut shaming her. [28/12/2014, 8:16:58 AM] Athena Hollow: and my brain exploded at all the WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT [28/12/2014, 8:17:09 AM] Athena Hollow: Like, for me to slut shame her, I'd have to literally slut shame myself as well LOL [28/12/2014, 8:17:22 AM] Ian Cheong: They were strawmanning you. [28/12/2014, 8:17:23 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah, I was a bit annoyed that Maisie Williams made that argument the other day against Emma Watson's HeForShe & feminist work, but then I was like "well, she's 18…" [28/12/2014, 8:17:38 AM] Faruk Ates: (The whole "there are bigger problems that women face elsewhere!" argument) [28/12/2014, 8:17:39 AM] Athena Hollow: They were dumb as shit. [28/12/2014, 8:17:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: well, they've been fairly consistent about that [28/12/2014, 8:18:22 AM] Athena Hollow: They didn't realize that no one slutshamed Mercedes out of her goddamn weaponized porn charity, and that all the facts were available on the ablegamers website. [28/12/2014, 8:19:02 AM] Athena Hollow: This is after they attacked the crap out of me & Zoe & Wu. For no reason. At all. They tried 'being nice & civil' after I pointed out that they were full of shit, and told them to go fuck themselves off a cliff LOL [28/12/2014, 8:19:18 AM] Athena Hollow: And then tried saying I was being 'unreasonable' and 'a shitty feminist' because I told them to do such LOL [28/12/2014, 8:19:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: they're so bad at arguing [28/12/2014, 8:19:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: because they generally argue amongst themselves [28/12/2014, 8:19:36 AM] Faruk Ates: They're bad at life [28/12/2014, 8:19:44 AM] SF: They love pulling Fallacy of Relative Privation too. [28/12/2014, 8:19:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: and they don't realize what an actual argument is off a chan board [28/12/2014, 8:19:50 AM] Faruk Ates: They're adults with the mentality and awareness of early teenagers [28/12/2014, 8:20:03 AM] Athena Hollow: That they think telling someone to stop randomly harassing someone = tone policing is the most insane shit ever. [28/12/2014, 8:20:08 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah. One of them was trying to argue with me about "our rules" [28/12/2014, 8:20:18 AM] Faruk Ates: According to him, "our rules" are irrelevant. [28/12/2014, 8:20:20 AM] Ian Cheong: That's Roguestar's argument. [28/12/2014, 8:20:21 AM] SF: They believe their right to swing their fist ends after it's already hit your face. [28/12/2014, 8:20:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: multiple times [28/12/2014, 8:20:31 AM] Faruk Ates: What rules? Oh, you know, basic human decency for functioning in society [28/12/2014, 8:20:47 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL I had one who kept bothering me but I kept responding, and he finally said "Well if I tell you to stop talking to me, you have to" and I did and he didnt know how to fucking handle that LOL [28/12/2014, 8:20:51 AM] Faruk Ates: "They're irrelevant" Sure, until you want to get a job, have a social life, etc. [28/12/2014, 8:20:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: rules like: "treat others the way you'd like to be treated." "have a sense of empathy" boring shit like that [28/12/2014, 8:21:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: hahahaah athena [28/12/2014, 8:21:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's great [28/12/2014, 8:21:22 AM] Athena Hollow: It's like they don't realize we don't need to function on the idea of having the last word. [28/12/2014, 8:21:25 AM] Faruk Ates: There's an undercurrent of envy that they have at our lives in which we get to express ourselves however we want and we don't get in trouble for it [28/12/2014, 8:21:39 AM] Athena Hollow: I can, and do, walk way from nonproductive debates & conversations ALL THE TIME lol [28/12/2014, 8:21:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: but they don't realize we don't express ourselves however we want [28/12/2014, 8:21:48 AM] Faruk Ates: They sometimes think that we're just "suppressing" ourselves by not engaging in similarly awful behavior, because they genuinely think everyone is like that [28/12/2014, 8:21:51 AM] Athena Hollow: Exactly. [28/12/2014, 8:22:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: for example, i would like to run into the Supreme Court and scream out "FUCK YOU SCALIA YOU GODDAMN TRAITOR TO CORPORATIONS AND NEOCONSERVATIVES" [28/12/2014, 8:22:17 AM] Athena Hollow: LMAO [28/12/2014, 8:22:18 AM] Ian Cheong: You should see them tripping over each other in anger over the fact that you folks don't skewer me non-stop for saying shitty things 15 years ago. Because, hey, people grow, and that's not something they seem to grasp. [28/12/2014, 8:22:19 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah, exactly: we 'censor' ourselves from things we might sometimes think of doing or saying, but realize they are harmful or a bad idea [28/12/2014, 8:22:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: but i don't do that [28/12/2014, 8:22:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: i think the thing that they really don't grasp at all [28/12/2014, 8:22:45 AM] Faruk Ates: And they're all "YOU AREN'T REALLY YOU YOU AREN'T BASED" [28/12/2014, 8:22:45 AM] Athena Hollow: The fact that they think it's ok to continously attack you over that, but not, say, MILO for his shit just 5 months ago. [28/12/2014, 8:23:04 AM] Chris Kluwe: is that we would actually be on their side for ethics in journalism, if they just STOPPED HARASSING PEOPLE AND APOLOGIZED [28/12/2014, 8:23:13 AM] Athena Hollow: yup [28/12/2014, 8:23:30 AM] Athena Hollow: But that's how you know all the 'ethics' people were a shield. [28/12/2014, 8:23:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: i've tried telling them that so many times [28/12/2014, 8:23:33 AM] Athena Hollow: they don't care at all. [28/12/2014, 8:23:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah exactly [28/12/2014, 8:23:46 AM] Athena Hollow: They, themselves, have said to stop using that phrase [28/12/2014, 8:23:53 AM] Athena Hollow: because it's "MORE THAN ETHICS!!" [28/12/2014, 8:23:54 AM] Faruk Ates: I espeeeecially love how idiotic they are when they call each other based on 8chan [28/12/2014, 8:23:55 AM] Faruk Ates: Uhm. Dudebro? Based means being comfortable _being yourself_ and y'all are hiding behind anonymity there. [28/12/2014, 8:23:55 AM] Faruk Ates: "based anon" is like the best oxymoron [28/12/2014, 8:24:00 AM] Athena Hollow: aka it's harassing the shit out of people for lulz [28/12/2014, 8:24:13 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: while I'm back here in backscroll land looking at Wizardchan talk from this morning [28/12/2014, 8:24:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: which is why exposing it was so important, because when you whittle that shield away, they can't hide who they really are from the public [28/12/2014, 8:24:43 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: it isn't news to anyone that Brennan was a moderator there last december is it? [28/12/2014, 8:24:51 AM] Ian Cheong: He was?! [28/12/2014, 8:24:54 AM] Chris Kluwe: i saw that come up in ghazi earlier today [28/12/2014, 8:25:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: lemme find the thread [28/12/2014, 8:25:32 AM] Athena Hollow: As fucking heart rending as the past few months have been, at least a majority of the harassment dudebros have coalesced into a giant pile of shittery under a single united banner which has made calling them out WAY more effective than it has been the past few years when they were mostly acting independently. [28/12/2014, 8:25:48 AM] Faruk Ates: Question here: are court documents a matter of public record? [28/12/2014, 8:26:00 AM] Athena Hollow: sometimes. [28/12/2014, 8:26:05 AM] Ian Cheong: It depends. [28/12/2014, 8:26:06 AM] Chris Kluwe: see if this works Ian http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2qjrw0/fredrick_hotwheels_brennan_outs_himself_as_a/#cn6rnat [28/12/2014, 8:26:35 AM] Ian Cheong: yep that works: http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2qjrw0/fredrick_hotwheels_brennan_outs_himself_as_a/cn6rv1l [28/12/2014, 8:26:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: i believe it depends on the case and the result, and who's asking [28/12/2014, 8:27:02 AM] Ian Cheong: wow, he owned wizardchan. [28/12/2014, 8:27:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: if it's anything to do with juvenile stuff, generally those remain sealed [28/12/2014, 8:27:40 AM] Ian Cheong: "A "groupie" relieved him of his virginity, so he got kicked out/left on his own for not meeting that requirement (sold the domain to another admin)." [28/12/2014, 8:27:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: adult stuff i think you have to be able to show a material interest (law student, police work, FOIA) but IANAL [28/12/2014, 8:27:51 AM] Ian Cheong: it's fucked up that they kicked him out of their clubhouse [28/12/2014, 8:28:34 AM] Faruk Ates: hmmm, thanks Chris. I'm trying to figure out if there's a way I can ping my connections at Medium about that Zoe affidavit post :/ [28/12/2014, 8:29:27 AM] Remy: the more I hear about Wizardchan the less I want to know about Wizardchan [28/12/2014, 8:30:11 AM] Ian Cheong: there's some evidence that elliot rodger came from wizardchan in addition to his PUAHate forum residency. [28/12/2014, 8:30:32 AM] Athena Hollow: Oh, btw, the most hilarious bit about Milo saying Brennan is wrong for writing for a white nationalist site: https://archive.today/jUgox [28/12/2014, 8:30:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: Faruk, i'm not sure on that. weren't those the records Cerno retrieved for them? [28/12/2014, 8:30:55 AM] Athena Hollow: It's not that Milo is against white supremacy thoughts, it's that he thinks he should get to be Highlander about it :D [28/12/2014, 8:31:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE (master race) [28/12/2014, 8:31:21 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 8:31:47 AM] Randi Harper: i'm in an LFR where people are properly CCing and no one has died [28/12/2014, 8:31:48 AM] Randi Harper: is this real lfie? [28/12/2014, 8:31:48 AM] Faruk Ates: I know little actual details on Wizardchan; my understanding of it is mostly sad men who have huge entitlement issues and have an unhealthy coping mechanism. Accurate? Off? [28/12/2014, 8:32:29 AM] Chris Kluwe: sounds about right, but you could say that about pretty much all of 8chan [28/12/2014, 8:32:32 AM] Faruk Ates: Chris: I'm not sure, and Zoe just took off, but if they are then I presume they're not public record since he used his legal credentials to obtain them [28/12/2014, 8:32:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: yes, i would imagine they weren't public record [28/12/2014, 8:32:48 AM] Athena Hollow: oh. oh. oh this is beautiful. The next time someone brings up the hate on AS about her "I don't play games because they are too violent" 4 years ago comment, send them this: https://twitter.com/fox_sniper/status/548247453716058112 [28/12/2014, 8:33:10 AM] Remy: omg Athena [28/12/2014, 8:33:15 AM] Remy: Do you understand that if that link you just posted [28/12/2014, 8:33:20 AM] Remy: Was posted on 8chan under the proper tone [28/12/2014, 8:33:29 AM] Remy: It would start a chain reaction of conspiracy theorizing [28/12/2014, 8:33:31 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 8:33:40 AM] Remy: About how Milo was planning on betraying them the whole time [28/12/2014, 8:33:47 AM] Remy: and is secretly working for Zoe Quinn and McIntosh? [28/12/2014, 8:33:55 AM] Athena Hollow: XD [28/12/2014, 8:33:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: SO MANY RED LINES [28/12/2014, 8:34:06 AM] Chris Kluwe: TELL M$ TO RESTOCK [28/12/2014, 8:34:11 AM] Remy: How he's secretly trying to kill all whites [28/12/2014, 8:34:11 AM] Ian Cheong: wow.. [28/12/2014, 8:34:12 AM] Ian Cheong: http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qjhr1/based_mom_is_one_of_the_6_inspiring_women_of_2014/cn6q66n [28/12/2014, 8:34:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE PAINT [28/12/2014, 8:34:18 AM] Ian Cheong: Just wow. [28/12/2014, 8:34:25 AM] Ian Cheong: "She deserves to be way higher on the list than Malala. She's been at this for decades." [28/12/2014, 8:34:36 AM] Athena Hollow: O___________________________O [28/12/2014, 8:34:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: those comments [28/12/2014, 8:34:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: are just [28/12/2014, 8:35:03 AM] Ian Cheong: what's up with their names anyway [28/12/2014, 8:35:04 AM] Athena Hollow: "That girl who was literally shot in the head just because she wanted to learn? She ain't got shit on BasedMom" [28/12/2014, 8:35:07 AM] Ian Cheong: commander throatfuck and allinternalized [28/12/2014, 8:35:22 AM] Chris Kluwe: well, you see ian [28/12/2014, 8:35:26 AM] Chris Kluwe: all the good names were taken [28/12/2014, 8:35:30 AM] Chris Kluwe: like "Sephiroth" [28/12/2014, 8:35:34 AM] Athena Hollow: "BasedMom totes is saving gaming, and the boys. WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE BOYS!" [28/12/2014, 8:35:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: and "DarkCloud420" [28/12/2014, 8:35:35 AM] Ian Cheong: Hah [28/12/2014, 8:35:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: so they had to make do with the first thing that popped to mind [28/12/2014, 8:35:57 AM] Athena Hollow: "After getting shot, that link just says she won awards for being inspirational. What has she done for oppressed women in the Middle East?" [28/12/2014, 8:35:58 AM] Athena Hollow: OMFG [28/12/2014, 8:36:01 AM] Athena Hollow: someone shoot me. [28/12/2014, 8:36:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: it gets worse further down [28/12/2014, 8:36:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: i didn't think it could get worse [28/12/2014, 8:36:27 AM] Athena Hollow: BasedMom ain't done shit for oppressed women ANYWHERE except make them more fucking oppressed unless they are already married, white, and upper middle class. [28/12/2014, 8:36:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: but it does [28/12/2014, 8:36:32 AM] Athena Hollow: In which case, nothing fucking changed. [28/12/2014, 8:36:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: but but but but [28/12/2014, 8:36:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: MAH FEEFEES FOR MAAAAAAAAAM [28/12/2014, 8:37:12 AM] Athena Hollow: I fucking really really dislike people like Sommers [28/12/2014, 8:37:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: i was trying to explain her to my wife [28/12/2014, 8:37:22 AM] Athena Hollow: If we didn't need feminism, we wouldn't have feminism. [28/12/2014, 8:37:25 AM] Chris Kluwe: and my wife was just aghast [28/12/2014, 8:37:28 AM] Athena Hollow: And she advocates... NOT .... feminism. [28/12/2014, 8:37:31 AM] Remy: Remember: Malala apparently doesn't deserve recognition "just because she got shot" but Foxigon is a hero with his purple heart [28/12/2014, 8:37:34 AM] Remy: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [28/12/2014, 8:37:45 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 8:37:54 AM] Athena Hollow: "Hello status quo. How are you today? I think I will create a new form of status quo pushing and call it feminism so the republicans totes love me" [28/12/2014, 8:37:59 AM] Remy: We gotta re-brand MRA. It's such a fucking misnomer [28/12/2014, 8:38:07 AM] Ian Cheong: Men's Power Advocates [28/12/2014, 8:38:11 AM] Chris Kluwe: it should seriously just be MRSA [28/12/2014, 8:38:13 AM] Ian Cheong: Steph Guthrie coined that. [28/12/2014, 8:38:14 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 8:38:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: Men's Rights Stupid Advocates [28/12/2014, 8:38:31 AM] Quinnae: Christina Hoff Sommers is a joke to most actual feminists, across the wide political spectrum of feminism. [28/12/2014, 8:38:47 AM] Athena Hollow: BUT SHE'S PUBLISHED! AND A SCHOLAR THAT TALKS TO PEOPLE, KATHERINE! [28/12/2014, 8:38:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: ERMAGERD PUBLISHED [28/12/2014, 8:38:56 AM] Quinnae: Keep in mind too that one of her claims to fame a decade ago was arguing that bullying was a normal part of growing up that should not be institutionally discouraged. [28/12/2014, 8:39:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: of course not [28/12/2014, 8:39:10 AM] Athena Hollow: Nevermind that nearly every known scholar feminist has said "um, no, back the fuck up off my koolaid" [28/12/2014, 8:39:21 AM] Chris Kluwe: because bullying is totally healthy for both parties involved [28/12/2014, 8:39:42 AM] Randi Harper: women don't get awards for being MRAs. [28/12/2014, 8:39:48 AM] Quinnae: She's also not much of a scholar, to be honest. [28/12/2014, 8:39:49 AM] Faruk Ates: Maybe we should bring that to the attention of goobergate [28/12/2014, 8:39:55 AM] Faruk Ates: "BASED MOM IS PRO-BULLYING" [28/12/2014, 8:40:01 AM] Quinnae: Oh, it was brought to GG's attention long ago. They downplayed it. [28/12/2014, 8:40:06 AM] Faruk Ates: of course [28/12/2014, 8:40:08 AM] Quinnae: Or said it was taken out of context, et cetera. [28/12/2014, 8:40:11 AM] Chris Kluwe: WE FORGIVE HER THAT WAS LONG AGO [28/12/2014, 8:40:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: SHE DIDN'T MEAN IT [28/12/2014, 8:40:16 AM] Athena Hollow: I love it when people bring up that she's a registered democrat. Nevermind the fact that the dixiecrat swindle didn't really end until after she was old enough to vote [28/12/2014, 8:40:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: SHE'S BASED MOM [28/12/2014, 8:40:23 AM] Faruk Ates: but reminding them of that may make more people realize the hypocrisy of all GG [28/12/2014, 8:40:24 AM] Athena Hollow: so her being a registered democrat isn't really a big deal [28/12/2014, 8:40:50 AM] Quinnae: If you know anything about American politics, you know that simply assuming being a registered Democrat means you're liberal (much less left) is nonsense. [28/12/2014, 8:40:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: gamergaters have a strange inability to process time correctly [28/12/2014, 8:41:11 AM] Athena Hollow: Someone tried arguing "Well it's not like the Democrats just got up and switched to Republicans one day" ... no, no, actually, that's almost exactly what happened LOL [28/12/2014, 8:41:15 AM] Quinnae: I love how CaineJW falls over himself calling her "Democrat feminist Christina Hoff Sommers." [28/12/2014, 8:41:37 AM] Chris Kluwe: because NAMES are important. not ACTIONS. [28/12/2014, 8:41:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: duh [28/12/2014, 8:41:41 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 8:42:31 AM] Athena Hollow: Yeah she's horrible. [28/12/2014, 8:42:59 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Chris Kluwe forever ago: "but imagine something like Gamergate (even though it's a nasty thought) where those fuckers actually do the things they're capable of in games" Awkwardly hit on girls through limited dialog choices and repetetively grind for XP? [28/12/2014, 8:43:06 AM] Athena Hollow: She doesn't see the correlation between cultivating childhood empathy & being a more empathetic adult. [28/12/2014, 8:43:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: hahaha sgg [28/12/2014, 8:43:17 AM] Athena Hollow: Like, you have to be a hardened asshole, only out for yourself, all the time. [28/12/2014, 8:43:39 AM] Athena Hollow: Which is what has led to all these fuckhead entitled twits we have right now. [28/12/2014, 8:43:59 AM] Athena Hollow: BUT WONT ANYONE THINK OF THE BOYS!? [28/12/2014, 8:44:02 AM] Athena Hollow: ug. [28/12/2014, 8:44:15 AM] Chris Kluwe: the poor white boys [28/12/2014, 8:44:20 AM] Remy: Those games are just training them for the rest of the world. Grind more so you can buy more [28/12/2014, 8:44:22 AM] Chris Kluwe: the world is against them [28/12/2014, 8:44:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: in so many ways [28/12/2014, 8:44:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: like [28/12/2014, 8:44:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [28/12/2014, 8:44:35 AM] Ian Cheong: Hehehe [28/12/2014, 8:45:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's a pretty good point stephen [28/12/2014, 8:45:07 AM] Remy: I look at GamerGate and I say "So this is why my parents made me get off the internet and go outside so much" [28/12/2014, 8:45:16 AM] Peter Coffin: Going to be on the radio in ten minutes. Probably going to be about me for a while then gamergate [28/12/2014, 8:45:23 AM] Peter Coffin: I'm at the studio now [28/12/2014, 8:45:24 AM] Ian Cheong: good luck peter. [28/12/2014, 8:45:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: a lot of games are essentially training grounds for unrestricted capitalism [28/12/2014, 8:45:31 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 8:45:32 AM] Peter Coffin: Thanks man [28/12/2014, 8:45:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: have fun peter [28/12/2014, 8:45:39 AM] Remy: ^_^" I try to be observant where I can [28/12/2014, 8:45:47 AM] Peter Coffin: Amen Chris [28/12/2014, 8:46:06 AM] Chris Kluwe: "do this monotonous task over and over so you can buy a trinket you'll replace in three hours anyway" [28/12/2014, 8:46:16 AM] Remy: Y'know [28/12/2014, 8:46:22 AM] Chris Kluwe: substitute months for hours and it's dead on [28/12/2014, 8:46:46 AM] Remy: I've always wanted to do a fantasy game where anything you found or bought was basically worthless but whatever you made could be honed over time to become the strongest and most distinctive and unique equipment in the game [28/12/2014, 8:46:58 AM] Remy: Fable III tried to pull that off I think but it still felt cookie-cutter [28/12/2014, 8:47:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's why i loved UO [28/12/2014, 8:47:03 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: On 28/12/2014, at 8:45 AM, Chris Kluwe wrote: > a lot of games are essentially training grounds for unrestricted capitalism i once had a convo w/ a gamergater trying to say some games can be apolitical... i asked him for examples. no shitting you, he named katamari damacy [28/12/2014, 8:47:13 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: which is explicitly meant to be commentary on capitalism/consumerism [28/12/2014, 8:47:14 AM] Athena Hollow: hahahahahhahahahahaha [28/12/2014, 8:47:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: GATHER ALL THE THINGS [28/12/2014, 8:47:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: IT'S JUST GATHERING [28/12/2014, 8:47:24 AM] Ian Cheong: Katamari Damacy is about consumer culture [28/12/2014, 8:47:31 AM] Athena Hollow: They literally have no concept of context beyond the surface [28/12/2014, 8:47:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: NONONONONO [28/12/2014, 8:47:35 AM] Remy: I remember that [28/12/2014, 8:47:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: SEE, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE PICKING UP DOLLAR BILLS [28/12/2014, 8:47:45 AM] Athena Hollow: Which is why they don't read past the title of articles. [28/12/2014, 8:47:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: AND MONIES [28/12/2014, 8:47:54 AM] Chris Kluwe: IT'S ALL TOYS AND SHINY THINGS [28/12/2014, 8:47:56 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: rofl [28/12/2014, 8:48:05 AM] Remy: I remember seeing a Gater actually listed Katamary Damacy as an example of politics-free gaming [28/12/2014, 8:48:08 AM] Remy: And I was like "Ummm...." [28/12/2014, 8:48:16 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: MONOPOLY IS JUST A GAME GUYS STOP THINKING IT HAS SOME SORT OF MESSAGE WTF [28/12/2014, 8:48:19 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 8:48:29 AM] Remy: Oh, right, and The Matrix isn't really a metaphor for the socially constructed gender binary, sure >_> [28/12/2014, 8:48:29 AM] Ian Cheong: These people don't see past the surface. [28/12/2014, 8:48:39 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 8:48:41 AM] Chris Kluwe: well...... yeah [28/12/2014, 8:48:42 AM] Remy: Gaters hate context [28/12/2014, 8:48:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's kind of a requirement to be a gator [28/12/2014, 8:48:52 AM] Ian Cheong: They fail to realize that creators -- game makers -- have commentary in mind when they come up with themes and the like. [28/12/2014, 8:48:53 AM] Athena Hollow: What gets me is all the allusions to "Gaming taught me to grind" yet the idea that gaming could reinforce sexist behavior is unfathomable. [28/12/2014, 8:48:55 AM] Ian Cheong: That's what makes games so interesting! [28/12/2014, 8:48:56 AM] Remy: They are the new wave of bible literalists [28/12/2014, 8:49:37 AM] Remy: GamerGate is the intersection between a cultural counterrevolution against the use of metaphors and... well... an odd pocket of pedophiles [28/12/2014, 8:49:43 AM] Remy: I don't know how those two dots connected them [28/12/2014, 8:49:46 AM] Remy: Thank You, Internet [28/12/2014, 8:49:46 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: even if they don't have commentary in mind, it still interalizes subconcious ideas and norms. like... western games have VERY different conceptions of violence than games from japan. that's probably rarely a concious choice, but it says a lot about both cultures [28/12/2014, 8:49:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: 8chan [28/12/2014, 8:49:55 AM] Athena Hollow: "Games only ever affect me in ways I LET it affect me" /pats head/ You keep telling yourself that, guy. [28/12/2014, 8:50:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, it's interesting to see the types of games a culture produces [28/12/2014, 8:50:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: and what that says about that culture [28/12/2014, 8:50:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: and how it changes over time [28/12/2014, 8:50:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: NONONONO MY STEMS TELL ME THAT IT'S ONLY GOOD [28/12/2014, 8:50:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: NO BAD [28/12/2014, 8:50:50 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 8:50:53 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: "GAMES DONT AFFECT ANYONE IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER FEMINISTS SHUT UP btw GG keep in mind if we're going the right way because we're finding enemies!!! also WTF THEYRE TRYING TO BRAINWASH KIDS WITH COMMON CORE EDUCATIONAL GAMES" [28/12/2014, 8:50:55 AM] Chris Kluwe: DOUBLEPLUSGOOD [28/12/2014, 8:51:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: i would have killed for an actual informative game that was fun to play as a kid [28/12/2014, 8:51:25 AM] Athena Hollow: And it's so fucking frustrating because it's not like it takes a PhD to get this shit [28/12/2014, 8:51:27 AM] Ian Cheong: They love "quoting" 1984 (taking it out of context). I don't think they've read that one either. [28/12/2014, 8:51:29 AM] Athena Hollow: It's all basic 101 stuff [28/12/2014, 8:51:36 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, i see stuff like Kano and all these other things i'm getting my daughters [28/12/2014, 8:51:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: and i'm like I WANT THAT SO BAD [28/12/2014, 8:51:42 AM] Athena Hollow: This is the shit they teach you in psychology electives in HIGH SCHOOL [28/12/2014, 8:51:46 AM] Ian Cheong: They should read Orwell's much better Down and Out in Paris and London. [28/12/2014, 8:51:47 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i kind of slept in coma mode. everytime i drink it screws up my sleep so bad [28/12/2014, 8:51:54 AM] Ian Cheong: Which is about privilege and poverty. [28/12/2014, 8:51:55 AM] Faruk Ates: good luck & have fun Peter! [28/12/2014, 8:52:05 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i never read that, ian. i'll add it to my goodreads :3 [28/12/2014, 8:52:11 AM] Ian Cheong: It's great. [28/12/2014, 8:52:14 AM] Ian Cheong: Depressing too. [28/12/2014, 8:52:15 AM] Ian Cheong: But great. [28/12/2014, 8:52:23 AM] Remy: There was also a Gater trying to argue that The Last Of Us was actually trying to show the main character's violent position in a positive light [28/12/2014, 8:52:30 AM] Chris Kluwe: wut [28/12/2014, 8:52:30 AM] Athena Hollow: ... [28/12/2014, 8:52:32 AM] Remy: Like as if he was still supposed to be seen as the hero at the end [28/12/2014, 8:52:36 AM] Ian Cheong: What [28/12/2014, 8:52:39 AM] Ian Cheong: He is not a hero. [28/12/2014, 8:52:43 AM] Remy: Like "Dude you missed everything why did you even play the game" [28/12/2014, 8:52:44 AM] Ian Cheong: He's a pretty bad dude! [28/12/2014, 8:52:46 AM] Athena Hollow: Well that explains why they identify with out & out villains regularly. [28/12/2014, 8:52:53 AM] Remy: "put the controller down you're doing it wrong" [28/12/2014, 8:52:57 AM] Athena Hollow: And that the main character in a game MUST be a good guy, always. [28/12/2014, 8:53:03 AM] Athena Hollow: Otherwise, why would they be the lead? duh. [28/12/2014, 8:53:11 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 8:53:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: "you see, when Kefka poisoned that well, he did it because he wanted to make a better Empire! That's HEROIC" [28/12/2014, 8:53:19 AM] Remy: And this basically reflects their own moral compass [28/12/2014, 8:53:31 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 8:53:32 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: there was a pretty awesome article on critical distance about how the entire game is set up as a criticicism of the damsel in distress-- by saving ellie, you're disrespecting her entire personhood and basically leaving her as an empty shell :\ [28/12/2014, 8:53:33 AM] Remy: "I can't be the bad guy, I'm me, I'm special, I'm the hero, I can't be the bad guy" [28/12/2014, 8:54:06 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: it was super well written. i can dig it up if you want [28/12/2014, 8:54:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: i would love love love more games where you play as the bad guy, but until you reach a certain contextual point, you think you're the hero [28/12/2014, 8:54:16 AM] Remy: yes plz [28/12/2014, 8:54:22 AM] Athena Hollow: That would be amazing. [28/12/2014, 8:54:28 AM] Athena Hollow: But gaters would ignore that -_- LOL [28/12/2014, 8:54:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: because everyone justifies in their own mind that they're always teh hero [28/12/2014, 8:54:34 AM] Remy: Bioshock Infinite impressed me story wise [28/12/2014, 8:54:35 AM] Athena Hollow: "It was just a throwaway scene" [28/12/2014, 8:54:36 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: chris: i won't spoil too much but have you played spec ops the line? you'd love it [28/12/2014, 8:54:40 AM] Athena Hollow: OMG AGREE STEPHEN [28/12/2014, 8:54:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: i haven't, read about it though [28/12/2014, 8:54:45 AM] Remy: The overkill on violence I get was making a point but honestly I'm just so sick of it at this piont. [28/12/2014, 8:54:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: seems like something i definitely need to play [28/12/2014, 8:55:08 AM] Ian Cheong: Spec Ops The Line is a take on Heart of Darkness. [28/12/2014, 8:55:15 AM] Ian Cheong: A very good take, I might add. [28/12/2014, 8:55:25 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, that's what a lot of the reviews i read said [28/12/2014, 8:56:10 AM] Ian Cheong: A problem some critics had with it is that the shooting is too much fun. But then I think that says something about how shooting is fun and enjoying it maybe makes you a bad person if you don't reflect upon your actions. [28/12/2014, 8:56:28 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: http://videodame.com/damsel-in-distress-the-last-of-us/ <-- there's the article i was referring to [28/12/2014, 8:56:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: something i wish more games emphasized [28/12/2014, 8:57:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: is that guns are a tool [28/12/2014, 8:57:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: and they can be a fun tool [28/12/2014, 8:57:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: but also a very dangerous and horrible tool [28/12/2014, 8:57:12 AM] Remy: I wish I could just... like... tackle Mike Cernovich and poop on him. Like just literally take a shit on him. [28/12/2014, 8:57:18 AM] Remy: So he can know what it feels like to have to read his tweets [28/12/2014, 8:57:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: lol [28/12/2014, 8:57:23 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 8:57:26 AM] Ian Cheong: Spec Ops The Line approaches that pretty well, Chris. [28/12/2014, 8:57:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: his blog was worse [28/12/2014, 8:57:35 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 8:57:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: i'm definitely going to have to get it then ian [28/12/2014, 8:58:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: too many games are about blinging out your guns [28/12/2014, 8:58:03 AM] Chris Kluwe: which is COOL [28/12/2014, 8:58:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: but if you don't provide that counterpoint [28/12/2014, 8:58:11 AM] Ian Cheong: Yep, but unreflective. [28/12/2014, 8:58:27 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL Nice one Katherine: https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/549005117333471232 [28/12/2014, 8:58:48 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: rofl [28/12/2014, 8:58:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: looooooooooool [28/12/2014, 8:59:00 AM] Ian Cheong: nice one [28/12/2014, 8:59:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: stupid gators [28/12/2014, 8:59:25 AM] Athena Hollow: reminds me of the idiot who tried calling me out for using 'totem pole'... moron, yes, I am NA, now stfu LOL [28/12/2014, 8:59:30 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNrsT57Xnq8#t=360 <-- chris/other people interested in spec ops. watch 30 seconds starting there. apologies for the TB link [28/12/2014, 8:59:35 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i just remember that was in that video [28/12/2014, 8:59:38 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: that alone convinced me to play it [28/12/2014, 9:00:16 AM] Charloppe: eeeeeew tb [28/12/2014, 9:00:19 AM] Charloppe: wtf sarah [28/12/2014, 9:00:27 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i know i'm sorry ;-;; [28/12/2014, 9:00:31 AM] Charloppe: bad sarah [28/12/2014, 9:01:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's pretty cool game design [28/12/2014, 9:01:20 AM] Ian Cheong: "We dress it up in lies and say that we save her, just like we saved all those other girls in other stories, but what we did was make ourselves into the dragon, not the knight." [28/12/2014, 9:01:21 AM] Chris Kluwe: really makes you think, "am i ghte good guy?" [28/12/2014, 9:01:21 AM] Faruk Ates: > i would love love love more games where you play as the bad guy, but until you reach a certain contextual point, you think you're the hero Chris: yes! One of my scifi stories in the making is actually a bit along those lines: my goal as author is to keep the reader constantly guessing about who they're supposed to root for [28/12/2014, 9:01:23 AM] Ian Cheong: This is a great article. [28/12/2014, 9:01:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's awesome faruk, i did one along those lines too :) [28/12/2014, 9:01:59 AM] Faruk Ates: Is it published? [28/12/2014, 9:02:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, i love introducing characters who see themselves as the hero [28/12/2014, 9:02:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: it'll be out very soon, my buddy and i are selfpublishing it so we're going through the last formatting steps for amazon [28/12/2014, 9:02:20 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah, exactly [28/12/2014, 9:02:29 AM] Faruk Ates: Okay neat, do let us know when it's available =) [28/12/2014, 9:02:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: for sure, and the same for yours [28/12/2014, 9:02:52 AM] Ian Cheong: I have a short story in a published book on Amazon if anyone's interested. [28/12/2014, 9:02:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: link it :) [28/12/2014, 9:03:02 AM] Remy: Hmm... [28/12/2014, 9:03:10 AM] Faruk Ates: My plan for it is to do some episodic writing for the first couple of chapters and have those available for free online, and then self-publish for the full book [28/12/2014, 9:03:16 AM] Ian Cheong: Here you go Chris [28/12/2014, 9:03:17 AM] Remy: I wonder how the "Am I the good guy" perspective can be applied to [Internal Affairs] [28/12/2014, 9:03:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: nice [28/12/2014, 9:03:17 AM] Ian Cheong: http://www.amazon.com/Ghosts-Machine-Lana-Polansky/dp/1304270440/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419728575&sr=8-1&keywords=lana+polansky [28/12/2014, 9:03:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: very cool, i'll pick it up right away [28/12/2014, 9:03:52 AM] Remy: Hey Rob are you still on? Would you mind if I just creatively brainstorm on my own about Internal Affairs and maybe someday end up pursuing a project like that? [28/12/2014, 9:03:53 AM] Ian Cheong: awesome. [28/12/2014, 9:04:01 AM] Athena Hollow: I think he went to dinner. [28/12/2014, 9:04:06 AM] Remy: oh roger [28/12/2014, 9:04:13 AM] Remy: lol I said rogre [28/12/2014, 9:04:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: i don't mind brainstorming if you want :p [28/12/2014, 9:04:29 AM] Ian Cheong: Brainstorming's cool. [28/12/2014, 9:04:33 AM] Remy: I don't have any specific thoughts just yet I just didn't wanna steal someone's idea [28/12/2014, 9:04:52 AM] Faruk Ates: Ian: bought, will read it probably on my flight to Hawaii next week :) [28/12/2014, 9:04:58 AM] Ian Cheong: sweet! [28/12/2014, 9:05:03 AM] Chris Kluwe: one way to do that for something like Internal Affairs would be to have the main character pursuing his/her own goal that may not always coincide with investigations [28/12/2014, 9:05:07 AM] Remy: however [28/12/2014, 9:05:12 AM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 9:05:13 AM] Remy: Yeah that [28/12/2014, 9:05:15 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/549008032416681985 [28/12/2014, 9:05:29 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, a corrupt cop might offer you info if you give him a pass [28/12/2014, 9:05:35 AM] Remy: Basically like part of what I would want to inspect with an Internal Affairs game is the police's tendency to be complacent and even actively participate in covering up another's crimes [28/12/2014, 9:05:54 AM] Remy: It becomes a cultural thing where most of it goes by unspoken and unnoticed [28/12/2014, 9:06:04 AM] Chris Kluwe: or one might have shook down a drug dealer for money to pay for doctor bills [28/12/2014, 9:06:24 AM] Remy: So I guess like in the beginning I would softball the player a few cases where the police should seem innocent at first [28/12/2014, 9:06:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: or blatantly villainous [28/12/2014, 9:06:43 AM] Remy: And then later expose the case to have been presented in a skewed light [28/12/2014, 9:06:53 AM] Chris Kluwe: that too [28/12/2014, 9:07:06 AM] Remy: But do so in a way that will enable the player's latent observational bias to make them stubbornly insist that they got the case right [28/12/2014, 9:07:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: you can also look at how IA is used to silence honest cops [28/12/2014, 9:07:18 AM] Ian Cheong: Serpico. [28/12/2014, 9:07:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: maybe someone you're investigating insists that they're innocent [28/12/2014, 9:07:28 AM] Remy: Essentially I want to play a game of how far I can make a player go to justify their decisions [28/12/2014, 9:07:33 AM] Randi Harper: hahahhahahaha [28/12/2014, 9:07:34 AM] Randi Harper: this guy [28/12/2014, 9:07:35 AM] Randi Harper: in LFR [28/12/2014, 9:07:37 AM] Remy: Until they confront themselves [28/12/2014, 9:07:38 AM] Randi Harper: is convinced i am actually a grandma [28/12/2014, 9:07:40 AM] Randi Harper: and wants to skype [28/12/2014, 9:07:42 AM] Randi Harper: video chat [28/12/2014, 9:07:43 AM] Randi Harper: bahaha [28/12/2014, 9:07:43 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 9:07:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: and you keep getting information from the DA or other cops that pushes for guilty [28/12/2014, 9:07:53 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 9:08:02 AM] Remy: What is your secret? [28/12/2014, 9:08:11 AM] Chris Kluwe: then later on you find that the DA/police chief might have their own motives [28/12/2014, 9:08:18 AM] Quinnae: Hey guys, you should check out my timeline now. It's rather hilarious. [28/12/2014, 9:08:23 AM] Remy: YES [28/12/2014, 9:08:42 AM] Athena Hollow: oh yeah, I lost it XD [28/12/2014, 9:08:42 AM] Quinnae: I was talking about police violence and some guy pops in saying he's sick of white straight girls like me ranting about oppression. [28/12/2014, 9:08:49 AM] Quinnae: Even though I'm neither white nor straight. [28/12/2014, 9:09:04 AM] Quinnae: The "lols" have well and truly ensued. [28/12/2014, 9:09:08 AM] Athena Hollow: "Your friends called me out. IS THIS HOW I, A GAY MAN, SHOULD EXPECT TO BE TREATED?!" [28/12/2014, 9:09:14 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: OK, but when I check your timeline, there's an alarming trend for me to compulsively retweet everything... [28/12/2014, 9:09:15 AM] Chris Kluwe: my wife is going to be really surprised to learn that Latinas are now white [28/12/2014, 9:09:17 AM] Athena Hollow: well, when you're a blatant fuckwad, yes. [28/12/2014, 9:09:21 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 9:09:32 AM] Dan Olson: OVER 2000 MESSAGES! [28/12/2014, 9:09:36 AM] Dan Olson: Y'all talk too much [28/12/2014, 9:09:37 AM] Remy: Well I guess if you don't look like a carbon copy of Sophia Vergera then you're just white [28/12/2014, 9:09:37 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 9:09:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: WE TALK A LOT [28/12/2014, 9:09:39 AM] Dan Olson: <3 [28/12/2014, 9:09:40 AM] Ian Cheong: Yup Dan [28/12/2014, 9:09:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: ABOUT HORSE COCK [28/12/2014, 9:09:42 AM] Remy: Same thing with Anita Sarkeesian [28/12/2014, 9:09:44 AM] Ian Cheong: Some good news, Dan. [28/12/2014, 9:09:46 AM] Athena Hollow: Just scroll down & ask for the deets [28/12/2014, 9:09:46 AM] Chris Kluwe: AND DONKEY JIZZ [28/12/2014, 9:09:51 AM] Ian Cheong: Patreon isn't pulling Zoe's funding. [28/12/2014, 9:09:57 AM] Dan Olson: Yaay! [28/12/2014, 9:10:16 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: so which patreon projects are going poof tomorrow besides 8chan? [28/12/2014, 9:10:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh, patreon update, i haven't heard back on Hotwheels yet [28/12/2014, 9:10:21 AM] Dan Olson: Also I saw the "HotWheels chatting with Nazis about eugenics" thing earlier [28/12/2014, 9:10:27 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: where'd they state that, ian? [28/12/2014, 9:10:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah i reported it to Patreon [28/12/2014, 9:10:28 AM] Faruk Ates: Katherine: that last RT you just did? LOL SO TRUE OMG. [28/12/2014, 9:10:40 AM] Ian Cheong: sarah, Zoe said so herself. [28/12/2014, 9:10:46 AM] Ian Cheong: she got off the phone with them [28/12/2014, 9:10:48 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: oh, cool! [28/12/2014, 9:10:50 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: glad to hear it [28/12/2014, 9:10:55 AM] Ian Cheong: probably don't spread that around though [28/12/2014, 9:10:59 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i wont [28/12/2014, 9:11:15 AM] Remy: I'm going to make s'mores while we watch the smoldering ruins of GamerGate sink into the bay [28/12/2014, 9:11:38 AM] Faruk Ates: Have s'more fun [28/12/2014, 9:11:39 AM] Remy: coral and schools of fish will grow around its ruins [28/12/2014, 9:11:58 AM] Chris Kluwe: and their bubbly exhalations will spell out "ethics" [28/12/2014, 9:12:17 AM] Ian Cheong: Like rosebud except ethics. [28/12/2014, 9:12:18 AM] Faruk Ates: I'm going to clean up after yesterday's slumber party with my roommate and her brother (and my gf) while watching either Breaking Bad or Gossip Girl in a minute… [28/12/2014, 9:12:22 AM] Athena Hollow: ugh..... this cough is going to kill me -_- [28/12/2014, 9:12:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: rub some tussin on it [28/12/2014, 9:12:38 AM] Athena Hollow: have [28/12/2014, 9:12:39 AM] Remy: Mothers will point out to the waves and warn their children "That's where the pedophiles and the Nazis still haunt the waters to this day, begging for lulz" [28/12/2014, 9:12:44 AM] Athena Hollow: stillllllll death cough [28/12/2014, 9:12:52 AM] Faruk Ates: One thing I want to say about The Interview that I liked (and mostly that movie is just a Seth Rogen stoner film like any other): they put some clever SJW-style subversive stuff in it [28/12/2014, 9:13:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: i haven't seen it yet [28/12/2014, 9:13:17 AM] Athena Hollow: No one had any of the good decongestants in stock, so I'm stuck w/ this half-assed 'not behind the pharmacy counter' shit. [28/12/2014, 9:13:25 AM] Ian Cheong: I still need to watch it. [28/12/2014, 9:13:27 AM] Faruk Ates: Athena: homemade tea of ginger, honey, lemon [28/12/2014, 9:13:36 AM] Athena Hollow: I have zero of the above ingredients LOL [28/12/2014, 9:13:37 AM] Randi Harper: ick [28/12/2014, 9:13:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: dammit, methies. ruining cough medicine for the rest of us [28/12/2014, 9:13:42 AM] Athena Hollow: yep. [28/12/2014, 9:13:45 AM] Randi Harper: SORRY [28/12/2014, 9:13:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: DAMMIT [28/12/2014, 9:13:53 AM] Ian Cheong: Haha [28/12/2014, 9:14:02 AM] Chris Kluwe: (i generally use like vodka or something) [28/12/2014, 9:14:09 AM] Randi Harper: speaking of which [28/12/2014, 9:14:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's medicinal, right? [28/12/2014, 9:14:14 AM] Randi Harper: my 1.75 liter bottle of kraken is almost empty [28/12/2014, 9:14:14 AM] Ian Cheong: you can use XO [28/12/2014, 9:14:17 AM] Randi Harper: i did good this winter! [28/12/2014, 9:14:18 AM] Ian Cheong: Dom XO [28/12/2014, 9:14:41 AM] Athena Hollow: Yea I was thinkin about finishing off my bottle of kraken tonight [28/12/2014, 9:14:45 AM] Ian Cheong: know what else is a good decongestant? Jagermeister. [28/12/2014, 9:14:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: i think i'm turning into Hemingway :/ [28/12/2014, 9:14:51 AM] Athena Hollow: i figure, fuck it,i'm gonna be miserable, might as well be drunk. [28/12/2014, 9:14:56 AM] Randi Harper: i'm trying to finish mine off tonight [28/12/2014, 9:14:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: i just sit at home and drink and write [28/12/2014, 9:14:59 AM] Randi Harper: while i'm doing molten core [28/12/2014, 9:15:02 AM] Randi Harper: which is the most bullshit raid to ever raid [28/12/2014, 9:15:07 AM] Athena Hollow: yes. [28/12/2014, 9:15:07 AM] Ian Cheong: im gonna drink and write as well [28/12/2014, 9:15:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: LOOT THE FUCKING DOG [28/12/2014, 9:15:11 AM] Ian Cheong: i have some lists im supposed to do for youtube [28/12/2014, 9:15:13 AM] Randi Harper: 4 hours of shitty pve [28/12/2014, 9:15:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: i had a guildie who was a musician [28/12/2014, 9:15:22 AM] Randi Harper: kill me now please [28/12/2014, 9:15:25 AM] Chris Kluwe: and i traded him a signed jersey [28/12/2014, 9:15:30 AM] Faruk Ates: One thing they do in The Interview is have male characters with fluid sexuality, lots of non-typical expressions of masculinity, men expressing their emotions, etc. [28/12/2014, 9:15:30 AM] Chris Kluwe: for a "Loot the fucking dog" song [28/12/2014, 9:15:33 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 9:15:37 AM] Ian Cheong: hah [28/12/2014, 9:15:38 AM] Randi Harper: hahah [28/12/2014, 9:15:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: i need to see if i can find it [28/12/2014, 9:15:45 AM] Remy: I'm about to go back to playing Dragon Age Inquisition. Because PSN is STILL DOWN IN US and so I can't play Minecraft Skyrim [28/12/2014, 9:15:51 AM] Faruk Ates: Stories like that, even as simple stoner flicks, I can appreciate because they help change the cultural norms [28/12/2014, 9:16:02 AM] Randi Harper: chris, did you hear about what they did with MC for the 10 yr anniv? [28/12/2014, 9:16:23 AM] Faruk Ates: I found the same thing with The Big Fat Quiz of the Year this year [28/12/2014, 9:16:30 AM] Ian Cheong: I never got to raid MC back in the day because of that 40man bullshit [28/12/2014, 9:16:34 AM] Quinnae: tosses Charlotte to someone Catch! [28/12/2014, 9:16:50 AM] Remy: Remy catches [28/12/2014, 9:18:04 AM] Chris Kluwe: yessssssssssssssssss [28/12/2014, 9:18:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: found it [28/12/2014, 9:18:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: and no, i didn't hear Randi [28/12/2014, 9:18:36 AM] Ian Cheong: sweeeeet [28/12/2014, 9:18:45 AM] Randi Harper: they redid it, all scaled up to current levels [28/12/2014, 9:18:50 AM] Randi Harper: when you complete it, 100% chance of a mount drop [28/12/2014, 9:18:52 AM] Randi Harper: one of the doggies [28/12/2014, 9:18:59 AM] Chris Kluwe: sent a file to this group: Loot the Fucking Dog.mp3 [28/12/2014, 9:19:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's pretty cool [28/12/2014, 9:20:59 AM] Chris Kluwe: god i love that song [28/12/2014, 9:21:04 AM] Dan Olson: 40 man was bullshit [28/12/2014, 9:21:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: totally worth the trade [28/12/2014, 9:21:09 AM] Dan Olson: and the drama was wors [28/12/2014, 9:21:36 AM] Chris Kluwe: those magma ragers [28/12/2014, 9:21:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: with people who didn't understand clumping [28/12/2014, 9:21:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: BLEECCCHHHHHH [28/12/2014, 9:21:58 AM] Dan Olson: goddamn, literally 10% of the last decade of my life has been spent logged in to WoW. [28/12/2014, 9:22:05 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: .. i play hearthstone! magma ragers are not very good there ;-;; tries to contribute [28/12/2014, 9:22:12 AM] Randi Harper: this is 40 man LFR [28/12/2014, 9:22:15 AM] Faruk Ates: "I've received a file from Chris Kluwe. The filename contained the words "dog" and "fucking" in it. #GamerGate" WHAT IS CONTEXT, DOES NOT MATTER [28/12/2014, 9:22:22 AM] Chris Kluwe: hahahaahaha [28/12/2014, 9:22:24 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: haha [28/12/2014, 9:22:24 AM] Faruk Ates: ;) [28/12/2014, 9:22:26 AM] Ian Cheong: hahaha [28/12/2014, 9:22:29 AM] Chris Kluwe: AGG CONFIRMED BESTIALITY [28/12/2014, 9:22:46 AM] Chris Kluwe: please tell me you tweeted that [28/12/2014, 9:22:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: pleeeeeeeeease [28/12/2014, 9:22:52 AM] Ian Cheong: i dont think we're supposed to let gaters know that this exists. [28/12/2014, 9:22:56 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: nevermind that 8chan has bestiality boards ;-;; [28/12/2014, 9:22:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: ahh, true [28/12/2014, 9:23:17 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 9:23:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh shit [28/12/2014, 9:23:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: IT'S ACIDBURN [28/12/2014, 9:23:42 AM] Athena Hollow: XD [28/12/2014, 9:23:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: DIBS ON ZEROCOOL [28/12/2014, 9:23:54 AM] Athena Hollow: Yeah I switched when Zoe changed chat name hahaha [28/12/2014, 9:23:56 AM] Ian Cheong: hackers was such a cheese movie. [28/12/2014, 9:23:58 AM] Faruk Ates: Chris: I didn't, I think they would absolutely go and run with that claim for a while, and yeah like Sarah said, that's a real 8chan thing as well :/ [28/12/2014, 9:24:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh yeah, i don't doubt bestiality is on there [28/12/2014, 9:24:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: i'm sure they have necro boards too [28/12/2014, 9:24:28 AM] Ian Cheong: ugh [28/12/2014, 9:24:37 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: ian are you telling me hackers don't go to VR arcades where you rollerblade around [28/12/2014, 9:24:39 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i think you're lying [28/12/2014, 9:24:47 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 9:24:48 AM] Faruk Ates: Given how often they _joke_ about necrophilia, I can only assume as much [28/12/2014, 9:24:59 AM] Athena Hollow: I remember my computer sci teacher having us watch it and point out all the things that were wrong with it [28/12/2014, 9:25:09 AM] Athena Hollow: and I could do it without watching it in class because I had the movie memorized hahahaha [28/12/2014, 9:25:11 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh [28/12/2014, 9:25:17 AM] Faruk Ates: Hah, nice [28/12/2014, 9:25:25 AM] Chris Kluwe: BUT THEY HACKED THE GIBSON [28/12/2014, 9:25:29 AM] Athena Hollow: It was so completely inaccurate, but goddamn was it fun. LOL [28/12/2014, 9:25:31 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: me and my roommates just watched steins;gate. i was surprised at the level of detail they actually had of random stuff, compared to like, US hollywood movies [28/12/2014, 9:25:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: ARE YOU SAYING YOU CAN'T HACK THE GIBSON IRL?! [28/12/2014, 9:25:41 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: HACK THE PLAENET [28/12/2014, 9:25:54 AM] Ian Cheong: So I had a bet with myself that I'd be able to get 10,000 followers by the end of 2014. I don't think that's happening. [28/12/2014, 9:26:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: WE MADE THIS COMPUTER THINK THIS FBI AGENT WAS DEAD AND IT DIDN'T GET FLAGGED AT ALL [28/12/2014, 9:26:15 AM] Faruk Ates: I should really get with the times and read my pile of Gibson to-reads [28/12/2014, 9:26:23 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 9:26:26 AM] Chris Kluwe: his stuff is pretty good [28/12/2014, 9:26:27 AM] Ian Cheong: read Pattern Recognition. [28/12/2014, 9:26:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: i still think Neuromancer is his best [28/12/2014, 9:26:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: Pattern Recognition wasn't bad [28/12/2014, 9:26:43 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i liked stephenson more. i'm weird, though [28/12/2014, 9:26:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: lot's of cool non-fiction stuff there [28/12/2014, 9:26:52 AM] Ian Cheong: Stephenson is so impenetrable. [28/12/2014, 9:27:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: Stephenson is kind of ehhhhhh for m [28/12/2014, 9:27:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: me [28/12/2014, 9:27:06 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, i get what he's doing [28/12/2014, 9:27:16 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah I just can't get into it. [28/12/2014, 9:27:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: but at the same time, i don't need 15 pages to describe how someone eats their captain crunch [28/12/2014, 9:27:21 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 9:27:23 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: haha [28/12/2014, 9:27:24 AM] Ian Cheong: His prose is ick [28/12/2014, 9:27:26 AM] Faruk Ates: I'm currently reading only two books at a time; Scalzi's Lock In and Atwood's Oryx & Crake [28/12/2014, 9:27:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: lock in was cool [28/12/2014, 9:27:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: i don't think i've read oryx and crake [28/12/2014, 9:27:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: i have the new Peter Hamilton book i need to read [28/12/2014, 9:27:54 AM] Faruk Ates: I recently finished the OMW books, now waiting for the last one [28/12/2014, 9:28:03 AM] Athena Hollow: I got some Pratchett books for xmas to dive into & the hubby got Good Omens that I'm sure I'll steal lol [28/12/2014, 9:28:06 AM] Faruk Ates: Oryx And Crake is fantastic, I recommend it [28/12/2014, 9:28:07 AM] Ian Cheong: Chris, have you read any Alastair Reynolds? [28/12/2014, 9:28:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: and Terry Pratchett's non-fiction one [28/12/2014, 9:28:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: i don't think i have, what has he written? [28/12/2014, 9:28:20 AM] Faruk Ates: I'm about 60% in but her writing is just so phenomenal [28/12/2014, 9:28:23 AM] Ian Cheong: Revelation Space [28/12/2014, 9:28:35 AM] Faruk Ates: Good Omens! [28/12/2014, 9:28:38 AM] Faruk Ates: One of my favorite books [28/12/2014, 9:28:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: i haven't i'll check it out the next time i'm at the bookstore [28/12/2014, 9:28:40 AM] Dan Olson: I'm a huge fan of Idoru. It's one that was kinda "meh" when it came out, but has proved to be a million times more prescient than anything else he's written (which have been pretty damn prescient in many, many ways) [28/12/2014, 9:28:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: good omens is soooooo good [28/12/2014, 9:28:59 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, Idoru is probably right below Neuromancer for me [28/12/2014, 9:29:02 AM] Athena Hollow: Yeah I started reading it before, but got sidetracked [28/12/2014, 9:29:15 AM] Ian Cheong: Revelation Space and its sequels are really good. The main characters are women in Rev Space. [28/12/2014, 9:29:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: i wasn't that impressed with the Peripheral, felt the quantum stuff was too handwavium for his usual style [28/12/2014, 9:29:30 AM] Chris Kluwe: sweet, i'll check it out [28/12/2014, 9:29:46 AM] Ian Cheong: There's also a trans character in Chasm City. [28/12/2014, 9:29:50 AM] Ian Cheong: Which is his second book. [28/12/2014, 9:30:00 AM] Athena Hollow: I've gotten so behind on reading books. The last one I actually started & finished was The PostMortal like 2 years ago -_- [28/12/2014, 9:30:06 AM] Athena Hollow: I've started a ton, but never get to finishing them. [28/12/2014, 9:30:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh, i will say that it's much easier for me to finish books since i read really fast [28/12/2014, 9:30:36 AM] Faruk Ates: My to-read paper books for Hawaii are Lock In and Blood Rites, and then whatever I have on my Kindle, which includes some Gibson, Oryx and Crake, Wool, and some others I won't get to in that week [28/12/2014, 9:30:41 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i'm bad at finishing fiction but i blow through nonfiction stuff. prolly would be better if ic ould afford my ADHD meds xD [28/12/2014, 9:30:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: can go through a lot of stuff [28/12/2014, 9:30:43 AM] Athena Hollow: My issue is that there's always something else I need to be doing [28/12/2014, 9:30:54 AM] Ian Cheong: I can finish a book a day if I put my mind to it. [28/12/2014, 9:31:11 AM] Chris Kluwe: blood rites is the new Jim Butcher? [28/12/2014, 9:31:14 AM] Athena Hollow: Like, if I worked for someone else instead of myself, I could easily make time for it, but since I don't, I just can't do it -_- [28/12/2014, 9:31:15 AM] Ian Cheong: Which is fun but also exhausting. [28/12/2014, 9:31:16 AM] Dan Olson: I'm chomping my way through Tony Judt's PostWar while also re-reading Bogost and Mcluhan. I should take a break and read a novel again. [28/12/2014, 9:31:25 AM] Faruk Ates: With English being my second language, I've found that my reading is definitely a bit slower than avg [28/12/2014, 9:31:31 AM] Faruk Ates: BUT it depends on the writing [28/12/2014, 9:31:36 AM] Chris Kluwe: shit, i wouldn't look at it that way [28/12/2014, 9:31:39 AM] Faruk Ates: Scalzi's writing is very accessible and easygoing [28/12/2014, 9:31:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: just think of how many people can only read in one language [28/12/2014, 9:31:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: (myself included) [28/12/2014, 9:32:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, i can muddle by in spanish, but i definitely wouldn't be able to read a scifi book [28/12/2014, 9:32:06 AM] Faruk Ates: The Handmaid's Tale is quite a lot less quick to read for me, but Oryx and Crake is much better [28/12/2014, 9:32:06 AM] Ian Cheong: I need to check out Scalzi's work. Any recommendations as to what I should read first? [28/12/2014, 9:32:11 AM] Chris Kluwe: Old Man's War [28/12/2014, 9:32:18 AM] Ian Cheong: Alrighty. [28/12/2014, 9:32:23 AM] Chris Kluwe: the sequels are kind of ehhhh, but they're not bad [28/12/2014, 9:32:41 AM] Chris Kluwe: and yeah, Scalzi writes a very easy to read book [28/12/2014, 9:32:49 AM] Faruk Ates: Chris: no, Blood Rites is by Barbara Ehrenreich [28/12/2014, 9:32:54 AM] Faruk Ates: it's not new [28/12/2014, 9:32:56 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: going to paly league with charloppe, anyone wanna join? [28/12/2014, 9:33:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: ok, i'll take a look for it faruk [28/12/2014, 9:33:08 AM] Faruk Ates: http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Rites-Origins-History-Passions/dp/0805050779/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=1-5&qid=1418669991 [28/12/2014, 9:33:09 AM] Dan Olson: After the last few months Scalzi is my new hero, and I've never read any of his books [28/12/2014, 9:33:16 AM] Athena Hollow: same [28/12/2014, 9:33:19 AM] Faruk Ates: non-referral link ;) [28/12/2014, 9:33:24 AM] Ian Cheong: Scalzi's been pretty vocal against GamerGate. [28/12/2014, 9:33:40 AM] Faruk Ates: Ian: yes, start with Old Man's War [28/12/2014, 9:33:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: he's a good guy, let me write a post about my book on his site [28/12/2014, 9:33:46 AM] Faruk Ates: Chris: Zoe's Tale was fantastic though [28/12/2014, 9:33:55 AM] Ian Cheong: Chris, you have a book? [28/12/2014, 9:33:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: and he definitely is on the side of "don't be an asshole" [28/12/2014, 9:33:57 AM] Ian Cheong: I had no idea. [28/12/2014, 9:34:02 AM] Dan Olson: I'll pass for this evening Sarah, thanks for the offer :-) Been looking forward to playing more Civ all day. [28/12/2014, 9:34:12 AM] Dan Olson: I've got my movie and my game all queued up [28/12/2014, 9:34:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: http://www.amazon.com/Beautifully-Unique-Sparkleponies-Football-Absurdities/dp/0316236772 [28/12/2014, 9:34:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: :) [28/12/2014, 9:34:24 AM] Ian Cheong: Sweet. [28/12/2014, 9:34:37 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's, uh, not your standard football book [28/12/2014, 9:34:41 AM] Chris Kluwe: though the title may have given that away [28/12/2014, 9:34:48 AM] Ian Cheong: Hah yeah [28/12/2014, 9:35:01 AM] Faruk Ates: I'd rate the Scalzi Old Man's War books in this order (for excellence): 1. OMW; 2. Zoe's Tale. 3. Ghost Brigades. 4. Last Colony. 5. Human Division [28/12/2014, 9:35:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: fun story, that cover picture was taken in my driveway the day our new neighbors were moving in [28/12/2014, 9:35:23 AM] Faruk Ates: Oh, so I met Scalzi at a book signing he did here in SF in September [28/12/2014, 9:35:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, that's about how I would faruk [28/12/2014, 9:35:35 AM] Faruk Ates: It was on the day that Zoe posted the GameOverGate reveal [28/12/2014, 9:36:00 AM] Faruk Ates: He spent 15 minutes at the book signing early on talking about reading her timeline as she was outing the whole GG stuff on 4chan and IRC [28/12/2014, 9:36:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's awesome [28/12/2014, 9:36:23 AM] Faruk Ates: Like, he was all "GO ZOE, YEAH!" [28/12/2014, 9:36:27 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 9:36:31 AM] Ian Cheong: That's really great. [28/12/2014, 9:36:38 AM] Faruk Ates: He was wearing his Traitor To The Mens t-shirt, too [28/12/2014, 9:36:41 AM] Ian Cheong: I wish that killed GG. [28/12/2014, 9:36:50 AM] Faruk Ates: me too [28/12/2014, 9:36:53 AM] Randi Harper: i would love to meet scalzi [28/12/2014, 9:37:03 AM] Randi Harper: I just finished devouring everything he ever published. [28/12/2014, 9:37:04 AM] Faruk Ates: http://instagram.com/p/sqHWduD-5V/ [28/12/2014, 9:37:51 AM] Faruk Ates: Chris: did you find it harder to finish The Human Division? [28/12/2014, 9:38:00 AM] Faruk Ates: I found it way less engaging because of the web series nature [28/12/2014, 9:38:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: minor own horn tooting. i think this is my favorite review on my book "He's opinionated bordering on arrogant. He's honest bordering on tactless. He's just and fair bordering on insufferably righteous. He's just plain smart and articulate, and funny as hell. If you've ever been even moderately entertained by Mr. Kluwe in any forum, but it now without hesitation. " [28/12/2014, 9:38:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, i'm not a huge fan of web series type stuff [28/12/2014, 9:38:23 AM] Chris Kluwe: i tend to like to finish everything in one sitting [28/12/2014, 9:38:28 AM] Faruk Ates: Hahahaha omg CHRIS ARE YOU A DUTCH PERSON? [28/12/2014, 9:38:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: rofl [28/12/2014, 9:38:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: well, my grandparents on my mom's side were pennsylvania dutch i believe :) [28/12/2014, 9:38:51 AM] Ian Cheong: That's a great review. [28/12/2014, 9:38:53 AM] Faruk Ates: That's like, how my girlfriend would describe me and almost any other Dutch person she's met [28/12/2014, 9:39:05 AM] Faruk Ates: Well, minus the funny as hell [28/12/2014, 9:39:15 AM] Faruk Ates: She'd never say that in my proximity anyway. [28/12/2014, 9:39:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh [28/12/2014, 9:39:41 AM] Faruk Ates: Chris: nice, well, perhaps there's a bit of Dutch heritage going on there ;) [28/12/2014, 9:39:54 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, with episodic stuff, i think i lose interest if it's not super timely [28/12/2014, 9:39:58 AM] Chris Kluwe: probably :) [28/12/2014, 9:40:07 AM] Ian Cheong: Charles Dickens' work used to be episodic. [28/12/2014, 9:40:23 AM] Faruk Ates: I mostly found that because each chapter was written to be a self-contained story, it wasn't much of a page turner [28/12/2014, 9:40:24 AM] Ian Cheong: People would eagerly await for the chapters to release. [28/12/2014, 9:40:27 AM] Faruk Ates: No good cliffhangers [28/12/2014, 9:40:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: some stuff i can hang with, but most times, if it's episodic, i wait for it all to finish up and then buy it in one chunk [28/12/2014, 9:40:51 AM] Faruk Ates: The Hunger Games books just don't let you put them down at the end of a chapter; Human Division almost tells you to [28/12/2014, 9:41:00 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, tough to put in a cliffhanger that's a month away from resolving [28/12/2014, 9:41:03 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah [28/12/2014, 9:41:05 AM] Ian Cheong: It's just like me with comic books. I can't read them one release at a time. Gotta get the hard-backs. [28/12/2014, 9:41:07 AM] Faruk Ates: EXCEPT FOR TV SHOWS [28/12/2014, 9:41:14 AM] Athena Hollow: Welcome to being a TellTale Games fan lol [28/12/2014, 9:41:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, tv shows i can handle [28/12/2014, 9:41:17 AM] Faruk Ates: Who, like, are basically mandated to do that ;) [28/12/2014, 9:41:22 AM] Chris Kluwe: books and comics, nope [28/12/2014, 9:41:25 AM] Athena Hollow: which is why, other than TWD, I wait till it's done. [28/12/2014, 9:41:29 AM] Faruk Ates: same [28/12/2014, 9:41:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: ugh, i read the first omnibus of TWD and i couldn't keep going [28/12/2014, 9:41:49 AM] Faruk Ates: also, I don't much like it with TV shows even, but I ALSO don't like when everyone around me is watching and talking about it. [28/12/2014, 9:41:58 AM] Chris Kluwe: it was like "every time you have a choice, you make THE WORST ONE POSSIBLE. EVERY TIME. ARGHHHHHH" [28/12/2014, 9:41:58 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah. [28/12/2014, 9:42:02 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 9:42:07 AM] Faruk Ates: I didn't start watching Game of Thrones until my entire Twitter timeline exploded with the Red Wedding [28/12/2014, 9:42:15 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh, GoT is so good [28/12/2014, 9:42:15 AM] Athena Hollow: hahahahah [28/12/2014, 9:42:15 AM] Ian Cheong: Hahaha [28/12/2014, 9:42:22 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's the best adaptation of a book i've ever seen [28/12/2014, 9:42:26 AM] Athena Hollow: I think it was the beginning of S2 for us. [28/12/2014, 9:42:27 AM] Ian Cheong: I still haven't seen the TV series. [28/12/2014, 9:42:29 AM] Ian Cheong: I've read the books. [28/12/2014, 9:42:30 AM] Chris Kluwe: and i think it actually surpasses the book in some ways [28/12/2014, 9:42:30 AM] Faruk Ates: Then I was all "Fuck, now every one of my friends is going to be talking about this." [28/12/2014, 9:42:44 AM] Faruk Ates: Yes: the books are slow to get through at times [28/12/2014, 9:42:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: the real test is going to be what they do this season and next [28/12/2014, 9:42:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: to cover books 4 and 5 [28/12/2014, 9:42:51 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah. [28/12/2014, 9:42:54 AM] Chris Kluwe: cus 4 was horrible [28/12/2014, 9:42:55 AM] Faruk Ates: Also, much more sexist than the show [28/12/2014, 9:43:02 AM] Athena Hollow: and play catch up & slow down on timelines. [28/12/2014, 9:43:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: and 5 wasn't a whole lot better [28/12/2014, 9:43:14 AM] Ian Cheong: Don't like how they aren't bringing in Lady Stoneheart. [28/12/2014, 9:43:27 AM] Ian Cheong: I mean come on, who doesn't love a vengeful zombie lady. [28/12/2014, 9:43:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah, i thought it was interesting they chose to chop that out, and enhance the magic that's happening up north with Bran instead [28/12/2014, 9:43:44 AM] Faruk Ates: (last I checked, none of the women felt they could identify with a female character that thinks about how her breasts are shaking and bouncing against the wind as she walks across the town square) [28/12/2014, 9:43:59 AM] Faruk Ates: none of the women _I talked with about this_* [28/12/2014, 9:44:05 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 9:44:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: don't all women think about their boobs constantly? [28/12/2014, 9:44:26 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, that's the guiding principle in life? [28/12/2014, 9:44:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: Boobism? [28/12/2014, 9:44:36 AM] Athena Hollow: I have problems relating because... that would require boobs >_> A barely-a cup is kind of a "not gonna happen" on the 'relating' scale. [28/12/2014, 9:44:36 AM] Ian Cheong: Hah [28/12/2014, 9:44:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: pretty sure i read that somewhere [28/12/2014, 9:45:09 AM] Randi Harper: yay, boobs. [28/12/2014, 9:45:11 AM] Athena Hollow: BUT I relate with Dany like crazy on a billion things :D [28/12/2014, 9:45:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh, i actually touched on that in the scifi novel i'm working on right now [28/12/2014, 9:45:22 AM] Faruk Ates: :) [28/12/2014, 9:45:36 AM] Ian Cheong: When's it due for release? [28/12/2014, 9:45:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: the main character is an incredibly in shape gamer (from the haptics), and anyone who's done athletics knows that working out just kills your boob size [28/12/2014, 9:45:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: no idea on this one, still working my way through it [28/12/2014, 9:46:18 AM] Ian Cheong: You could be like Steven Erikson and write a 1500 page book every 7 months. [28/12/2014, 9:46:19 AM] Faruk Ates: I laughed: https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/549014391077609473 [28/12/2014, 9:46:21 AM] Chris Kluwe: so she has a reflective moment where she wonders if she should get augments, but then says "Nah, tits are overrated. I'd rather be able to fight." [28/12/2014, 9:46:26 AM] Athena Hollow: hahaha yup [28/12/2014, 9:46:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh man, the Malazan series [28/12/2014, 9:46:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: those took me a while [28/12/2014, 9:46:41 AM] Ian Cheong: Incredible work. [28/12/2014, 9:46:44 AM] Ian Cheong: I love them. [28/12/2014, 9:46:52 AM] Athena Hollow: I mean, shit, I'm still able to pay the bills from porn without having a D cup, so yeah, i'll take the lack of back problems and potential gravitational effects hahaha [28/12/2014, 9:46:56 AM] Ian Cheong: Dragon Age Inquisition reminds me of the Malazan books. [28/12/2014, 9:47:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: hehe [28/12/2014, 9:47:17 AM] Ian Cheong: It's got that same worldbuilding. [28/12/2014, 9:47:27 AM] Randi Harper: i'm having a hard time getting into DA:I [28/12/2014, 9:47:41 AM] Chris Kluwe: with malazan, i will say that i think it was the third or fourth book, when he introduces the other side of the world island [28/12/2014, 9:47:42 AM] Randi Harper: the combat feels clunky. [28/12/2014, 9:47:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: i got REALLY confused with the timeline continuity [28/12/2014, 9:48:03 AM] Faruk Ates: Chris: did you see John August's Writer Emergency Kit kickstarter? [28/12/2014, 9:48:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: DA isn't bad, but i maxed my party out pretty quick;y [28/12/2014, 9:48:10 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah, it's set like 20 years before the rest of the books. [28/12/2014, 9:48:11 AM] Faruk Ates: Or Ian, same [28/12/2014, 9:48:14 AM] Chris Kluwe: i haven't faruk [28/12/2014, 9:48:20 AM] Ian Cheong: Nope Faruk. [28/12/2014, 9:48:29 AM] Faruk Ates: aw shame [28/12/2014, 9:49:27 AM] Faruk Ates: Check out http://www.writeremergency.com/ [28/12/2014, 9:49:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: haha that looks awesome [28/12/2014, 9:49:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: just read through the site [28/12/2014, 9:49:41 AM] Ian Cheong: I dig that. [28/12/2014, 9:49:58 AM] Faruk Ates: it's the fastest KS I ever got [28/12/2014, 9:50:09 AM] Chris Kluwe: i find that i tend to work on three or four things at a time, so when i get stuck on one, i just move to another [28/12/2014, 9:50:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: and then i can come back later and get unstuck [28/12/2014, 9:51:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: there've been some times though, when i was like 'fuuuuuuuu how do i resolve this?' [28/12/2014, 9:51:30 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah, that's basically what it's for [28/12/2014, 9:51:37 AM] Ian Cheong: I've never written any long stories. Just short ones. [28/12/2014, 9:51:38 AM] Faruk Ates: Also: long walks through nature [28/12/2014, 9:51:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: long stories were a changeup for me [28/12/2014, 9:51:58 AM] Chris Kluwe: since sparkleponies is basically short stories and essays [28/12/2014, 9:52:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: but i found that having an idea of what you want to have happen at the quarter point, halfway point, three quarter point, and end is VERY helpful [28/12/2014, 9:52:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: because then you're working toward discrete goals [28/12/2014, 9:52:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: instead of being like "ummm, i'm 5k words in, and the end is so far off, how do i get there?" [28/12/2014, 9:53:14 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah that's kind of my challenge as well [28/12/2014, 9:53:28 AM] Faruk Ates: I often have later segments worked out in much clearer detail [28/12/2014, 9:53:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: even if it's just an idea of "halfway through, protagonist has a disaster" [28/12/2014, 9:53:40 AM] Faruk Ates: and getting to those points is where I'm like, hrmmmmmmmm [28/12/2014, 9:53:42 AM] Randi Harper: is the whole "senpai" thing specific to chan culture [28/12/2014, 9:53:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: at least you have some idea [28/12/2014, 9:53:51 AM] Ian Cheong: it's anime culture, randi [28/12/2014, 9:53:54 AM] Chris Kluwe: ummm, i think it's anime [28/12/2014, 9:53:55 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah [28/12/2014, 9:54:01 AM] Ian Cheong: i hope chris senpai notices me on twitter [28/12/2014, 9:54:03 AM] Ian Cheong: for example. [28/12/2014, 9:54:05 AM] Chris Kluwe: there's a lot of bleedover from anime onto chan though [28/12/2014, 9:54:16 AM] Faruk Ates: Or when Chris RT's you, going "senpai noticed me!" [28/12/2014, 9:54:18 AM] Faruk Ates: ;) [28/12/2014, 9:54:24 AM] Ian Cheong: it's self-deprecating to an extent. [28/12/2014, 9:54:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: i believe it's the translation of "teacher," correct? [28/12/2014, 9:54:31 AM] Ian Cheong: yup [28/12/2014, 9:54:32 AM] Faruk Ates: Multiple things [28/12/2014, 9:54:41 AM] Faruk Ates: Teacher is one and the more literal translation [28/12/2014, 9:54:48 AM] Faruk Ates: But it can also be "mentor" and informal [28/12/2014, 9:54:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, teacher/mentor/advisor/parent almost? [28/12/2014, 9:54:56 AM] Ian Cheong: its like someone can be older and wiser than you so you call them senpai because you look up to them. [28/12/2014, 9:54:58 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah exactly [28/12/2014, 9:55:12 AM] Ian Cheong: like i said, it's pretty self-deprecating. [28/12/2014, 9:55:32 AM] Chris Kluwe: you see it a lot in fighting animes [28/12/2014, 9:55:34 AM] Faruk Ates: But not in a healthy manner [28/12/2014, 9:55:46 AM] Faruk Ates: Self-deprecation can be good, or bad, depending on how you apply it [28/12/2014, 9:55:56 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Lately people have been getting me into Kamen Rider. Such a nice change of pace to have some media from Japan where everyone is a highschool graduate and people generally aren't pervy creepers. [28/12/2014, 9:56:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: ugh, that's the hardest part of anime [28/12/2014, 9:56:10 AM] Athena Hollow: Yeah, in anime it's very "I'm obsessed w/ this person, I exist for them to aknowledge me" typically. [28/12/2014, 9:56:13 AM] Chris Kluwe: is finding stuff without the pervy parts [28/12/2014, 9:56:16 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Plus who doesn't like a good rubber suit fight? [28/12/2014, 9:56:22 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah, I've been trying to get into some animes but the pervy stuff is ick [28/12/2014, 9:56:32 AM] Ian Cheong: mostly because it's not consensual or denies women agency. [28/12/2014, 9:56:52 AM] Ian Cheong: in Sword Art Online the female characters exist to serve the male character. [28/12/2014, 9:56:54 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's like, this one i'm watching now, Deadman Wonderland, has a girl who looks like a teenager in what is basically a skintight suit the color of her skin [28/12/2014, 9:57:11 AM] Chris Kluwe: and it's like "GODDAMMIT SHE'S A STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER STAHHHHHHHP" [28/12/2014, 9:57:13 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: oh man, that. I turned that off the instant she showed up [28/12/2014, 9:57:26 AM] Chris Kluwe: it fucking bugs me every time i see it [28/12/2014, 9:57:31 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Just, nope. Too much dignity. [28/12/2014, 9:57:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: because it's so unnecessary [28/12/2014, 9:57:38 AM] Faruk Ates: Is there any feminist-friendly anime right now? [28/12/2014, 9:57:41 AM] Faruk Ates: Like, genuinely so [28/12/2014, 9:57:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: and the show is dealing with all these other concepts that are really intriguing [28/12/2014, 9:57:49 AM] Randi Harper: guu [28/12/2014, 9:57:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: BUT NOPE, GOTTA HAVE THE PERVSUIT [28/12/2014, 9:57:57 AM] Faruk Ates: Because my friend Jenn and I were talking the other day about the brilliant Onion article we both identified with a bit too much [28/12/2014, 9:58:06 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Currently? Nothing really comes to mind [28/12/2014, 9:58:13 AM] Athena Hollow: Sailor Moon? LOL [28/12/2014, 9:58:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: a lot of it is cultural [28/12/2014, 9:58:17 AM] Athena Hollow: that's about all i got. [28/12/2014, 9:58:20 AM] Faruk Ates: ( This one: http://www.theonion.com/articles/woman-takes-short-halfhour-break-from-being-femini,35026/ ) [28/12/2014, 9:58:22 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: I GUESS Madoka's relatively OK, if you can watch it without the intro? [28/12/2014, 9:58:30 AM] Chris Kluwe: Madoka was really interesting [28/12/2014, 9:58:33 AM] Chris Kluwe: but yeah, the intro [28/12/2014, 9:58:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: OH LOOK, UPSKIRT SCHOOLGIRL SHOTS [28/12/2014, 9:58:47 AM] Chris Kluwe: STAHHHHHHHHHP JAPAN [28/12/2014, 9:58:49 AM] Faruk Ates: This, right here, is why I stopped watching Anime. [28/12/2014, 9:58:50 AM] Athena Hollow: Ghost in the Shell is back & forth, IMO. [28/12/2014, 9:58:51 AM] Faruk Ates: Pity. [28/12/2014, 9:59:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: GitS season 1 is one of my favorite anime seasons ever [28/12/2014, 9:59:13 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Well, GitS has a general lack of female characters [28/12/2014, 9:59:45 AM] Chris Kluwe: i think the only one that's come close recently is Attack on Titan [28/12/2014, 9:59:45 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: also a general lack of character development [28/12/2014, 9:59:48 AM] Faruk Ates: I was so massively into it, way back in the late 90s and early 00's [28/12/2014, 10:00:01 AM] Randi Harper: <3 lain [28/12/2014, 10:00:01 AM] Athena Hollow: I personally just tell everyone to watch the movies & ignore the show LOL but yeah [28/12/2014, 10:00:06 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: yeah, Attack on Titan's pretty decent [28/12/2014, 10:00:13 AM] Ian Cheong: Haven't seen Attack. [28/12/2014, 10:00:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: you should watch it [28/12/2014, 10:00:17 AM] Faruk Ates: but to see that even still today, nobody can really think of a good feminist-friendly anime show is just… makes me sad :( [28/12/2014, 10:00:21 AM] Ian Cheong: I love GitS. [28/12/2014, 10:00:26 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: go a bit older and there's Black Lagoon [28/12/2014, 10:00:30 AM] Faruk Ates: I had Attack on Titan recommended to me by someone else [28/12/2014, 10:00:31 AM] Athena Hollow: I think a lot of that has to do with the culture, Faruk. [28/12/2014, 10:00:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: it deals with a lot of the emotions of way, and how people are changed by it [28/12/2014, 10:00:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: *war [28/12/2014, 10:00:41 AM] Chris Kluwe: not way [28/12/2014, 10:00:47 AM] Athena Hollow: Like, someone was just arrested for 'indecent' art, cuz it had a vagina. [28/12/2014, 10:00:48 AM] Athena Hollow: in japan. [28/12/2014, 10:00:50 AM] Faruk Ates: Athena: yeah, totally [28/12/2014, 10:00:53 AM] Ian Cheong: I'll check it out Chris. [28/12/2014, 10:00:55 AM] Chris Kluwe: guh [28/12/2014, 10:01:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: BECAUSE VAGINAS DON'T EXIST UNLESS THEY'RE UPSKIRT SHOTS [28/12/2014, 10:01:08 AM] Athena Hollow: 50 mile tall cocks? totally ok. [28/12/2014, 10:01:10 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: where hey, the most significant, powerful character in the series is some cigar chomping crime boss lady with a napalm-scarred face [28/12/2014, 10:01:12 AM] Chris Kluwe: dammit japan [28/12/2014, 10:01:20 AM] Athena Hollow: Vaginas in a painting? OMG END OF THE WORLD. [28/12/2014, 10:01:22 AM] Athena Hollow: It's so weird. [28/12/2014, 10:01:28 AM] Faruk Ates: But that's not something that I care to overlook for my media consumption since I have so very little time for it as it is :( [28/12/2014, 10:01:45 AM] Faruk Ates: I've stopped watching most stuff altogether due to lack of time [28/12/2014, 10:01:46 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: but then you've got the twins arc in there, going way way way too dark and making it tough to recommend the series [28/12/2014, 10:01:49 AM] Athena Hollow: (And it's not like the US is any different, don't get me wrong lol) [28/12/2014, 10:02:11 AM] Chris Kluwe: anyone seen Psycho Pass? [28/12/2014, 10:02:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: true athena [28/12/2014, 10:02:19 AM] Faruk Ates: Well, but at least the US produces (much more) feminist-friendly shows [28/12/2014, 10:02:19 AM] Ian Cheong: I have Psycho Pass. Haven't seen it yet though. [28/12/2014, 10:02:24 AM] Chris Kluwe: Psycho Pass is solid [28/12/2014, 10:02:24 AM] Ian Cheong: Like I bought the blu-rays when they were on sale. [28/12/2014, 10:02:32 AM] Faruk Ates: I'll check it out [28/12/2014, 10:02:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: i got a very Cowboy Bebop vibe from it [28/12/2014, 10:02:41 AM] Athena Hollow: Oh definitely. I just meant on the raw 'penis vs vagina = obscenity' thing. [28/12/2014, 10:02:43 AM] Faruk Ates: ooh [28/12/2014, 10:02:46 AM] Athena Hollow: Both are a big no no here at least LOL [28/12/2014, 10:02:47 AM] Faruk Ates: yeah [28/12/2014, 10:02:50 AM] Ian Cheong: There's a new Ghost in the Shell. [28/12/2014, 10:02:55 AM] Athena Hollow: but boobs on a woman, still obscene facepalm [28/12/2014, 10:03:04 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: hmm [28/12/2014, 10:03:06 AM] Ian Cheong: Just came out on bluray. [28/12/2014, 10:03:08 AM] Ian Cheong: Might wanna grab that. [28/12/2014, 10:03:19 AM] Ian Cheong: series, btw. [28/12/2014, 10:03:26 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: American shows generally also suffer from "female characters? Plural?" as a rule [28/12/2014, 10:03:36 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's something you see a lot [28/12/2014, 10:03:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: "we'll throw in a strong female character" [28/12/2014, 10:03:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: "who're her friends?" [28/12/2014, 10:03:49 AM] Ian Cheong: You know what's a good American show with strong female characters? [28/12/2014, 10:03:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: "DUDES" [28/12/2014, 10:03:53 AM] Ian Cheong: Characters, plural. [28/12/2014, 10:03:54 AM] Ian Cheong: Fringe. [28/12/2014, 10:04:04 AM] Faruk Ates: Canadian-American, British-American or British shows generally do a lot better [28/12/2014, 10:04:24 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Orphan Black pretty much wins [28/12/2014, 10:04:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: i still need to watch that [28/12/2014, 10:04:33 AM] Faruk Ates: I watch Castle despite its formulaic-ness because the character chemistry is awesome AND because the cast is very diverse [28/12/2014, 10:04:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: i've heard it's amazing [28/12/2014, 10:04:35 AM] Ian Cheong: Same. [28/12/2014, 10:04:36 AM] Faruk Ates: Orphan Black is AMAZING [28/12/2014, 10:04:39 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: it is [28/12/2014, 10:04:39 AM] Faruk Ates: SO GOOOOOOD [28/12/2014, 10:04:42 AM] Ian Cheong: I need to see it. [28/12/2014, 10:04:47 AM] Faruk Ates: Yes you do [28/12/2014, 10:04:49 AM] Chris Kluwe: is it on Netflix? [28/12/2014, 10:05:02 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: not streaming last I checked [28/12/2014, 10:05:03 AM] Ian Cheong: I don't get Netflix over here so I'll have to buy the BR's. [28/12/2014, 10:05:06 AM] Chris Kluwe: drat [28/12/2014, 10:05:10 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: might be wrong [28/12/2014, 10:05:12 AM] Faruk Ates: http://www.canistream.it/search/tv/orphan%20black [28/12/2014, 10:05:20 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: I think the first season JUST finally came out on DVD? [28/12/2014, 10:05:34 AM] Faruk Ates: doesn't look like it is streaming atm [28/12/2014, 10:05:36 AM] Chris Kluwe: i just want everything to move to the Netflix model [28/12/2014, 10:05:41 AM] Faruk Ates: me too [28/12/2014, 10:05:48 AM] Chris Kluwe: and i know there's economic reasons why we don't have that yet [28/12/2014, 10:05:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: BUT I WANT [28/12/2014, 10:05:57 AM] Ian Cheong: It'll happen. [28/12/2014, 10:05:59 AM] Ian Cheong: Just a matter of time. [28/12/2014, 10:06:01 AM] Chris Kluwe: yeah [28/12/2014, 10:06:07 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: It's frustrating, because its something I keep trying to get people into, but its EXCESSIVELY serial in nature, and you just can't find the first season [28/12/2014, 10:06:25 AM] Chris Kluwe: that was something that always pissed me off about buying anime videos [28/12/2014, 10:06:31 AM] Chris Kluwe: back when videotape was a thing [28/12/2014, 10:06:37 AM] Faruk Ates: lol: https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/549023004898754560 [28/12/2014, 10:06:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: you'd get these stores that have 2-18 of a series [28/12/2014, 10:06:46 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: 2 episodes for $30? $35 subbed? [28/12/2014, 10:06:47 AM] Athena Hollow: I fucking love Orphan Black [28/12/2014, 10:06:47 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: ah [28/12/2014, 10:06:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: and i'm like "I WANT TO WATCH THE FIRST ONE SO I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING" [28/12/2014, 10:07:04 AM] Athena Hollow: WHEN DOES THE NEW SEASON START!?!?!? [28/12/2014, 10:07:05 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: yes [28/12/2014, 10:07:11 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: and, soon I think? [28/12/2014, 10:07:22 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Just saw a preview during Doctor Who [28/12/2014, 10:07:23 AM] Faruk Ates: Best thing about Orphan Black's pilot: there is only one straight white male and he's a tertiary character [28/12/2014, 10:07:25 AM] Athena Hollow: YAYYYYY [28/12/2014, 10:07:41 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: wait, there's a straight white male in the pilot? [28/12/2014, 10:07:46 AM] Athena Hollow: Ex boyfriend [28/12/2014, 10:07:47 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: oh right [28/12/2014, 10:07:48 AM] Faruk Ates: Paul [28/12/2014, 10:07:48 AM] Athena Hollow: baby daddy [28/12/2014, 10:07:53 AM] Athena Hollow: OH and Paul [28/12/2014, 10:07:54 AM] Athena Hollow: So there's 2 [28/12/2014, 10:08:04 AM] Athena Hollow: Still, lots of 'not straight white dude' as well [28/12/2014, 10:08:08 AM] Faruk Ates: is the ex in the pilot? [28/12/2014, 10:08:15 AM] Athena Hollow: OH missed that sorry [28/12/2014, 10:08:17 AM] Athena Hollow: :) [28/12/2014, 10:08:28 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: I think, but, also you missed the white qualifier there, no? [28/12/2014, 10:08:43 AM] Athena Hollow: Is the ex not white? Always thought he was >_> [28/12/2014, 10:08:48 AM] Faruk Ates: he's unclear [28/12/2014, 10:08:51 AM] Athena Hollow: Ahh [28/12/2014, 10:09:16 AM] Faruk Ates: he has a bit of an ethnic slant to him, buuuuuuut it's something that could be Russian or Polish instead of, say, Latina or Middle Eastern [28/12/2014, 10:09:22 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah. [28/12/2014, 10:09:45 AM] Athena Hollow: I mean, if he ever identifies, then kick ass [28/12/2014, 10:09:48 AM] Faruk Ates: anyway, yes, Orphan Black is awesome [28/12/2014, 10:10:00 AM] Athena Hollow: Yes. Love it love it love it. [28/12/2014, 10:10:02 AM] Ian Cheong: It's funny to read you two geeking out over Orphan Black. [28/12/2014, 10:10:04 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 10:10:10 AM] Faruk Ates: Tatiana is just mindblowingly good as the lead [28/12/2014, 10:10:17 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: yeah [28/12/2014, 10:10:29 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: plus it's just a darn well written show [28/12/2014, 10:10:33 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah [28/12/2014, 10:10:37 AM] Faruk Ates: I was really into Continuum as well [28/12/2014, 10:10:42 AM] Ian Cheong: Oh I believe it. [28/12/2014, 10:10:48 AM] Faruk Ates: shot and situated in Vancouver, where I lived for 1.5 years [28/12/2014, 10:10:56 AM] Faruk Ates: great time travel writing [28/12/2014, 10:10:58 AM] Athena Hollow: I wanted to be into Continuum... but there was something that I just couldn't get into, which sucked. [28/12/2014, 10:11:01 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: constantly sets up these new apparent status quos that last like, 2 or 3 episodes at best [28/12/2014, 10:11:03 AM] Athena Hollow: I dont know what that thing was [28/12/2014, 10:11:16 AM] David Gallant: I have returned. [28/12/2014, 10:11:19 AM] Faruk Ates: I couldn't get into the last season with Continuum [28/12/2014, 10:11:22 AM] Faruk Ates: wb David! [28/12/2014, 10:11:26 AM] Chris Kluwe: hola [28/12/2014, 10:11:34 AM] Ian Cheong: Hey David. [28/12/2014, 10:12:18 AM] Faruk Ates: Oh man, Cernovich and his obsession with Jian Ghomeshi is so telling [28/12/2014, 10:12:20 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: anyway though, now I'm trying to think of shows in general with decent numbers of women in their casts and I'm consistently looking back to stuff from the late '90s early '00s. [28/12/2014, 10:12:27 AM] Faruk Ates: "SJW" WELL NOT REALLY. [28/12/2014, 10:12:33 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: which, yeah, that's a shame [28/12/2014, 10:12:49 AM] Faruk Ates: Transparent is good [28/12/2014, 10:12:56 AM] Chris Kluwe: you missed the juicebroparty yesterday faruk [28/12/2014, 10:13:02 AM] Faruk Ates: Oh yeah, I did indeed [28/12/2014, 10:13:10 AM] Faruk Ates: Busy cooking a Christmas brunch [28/12/2014, 10:13:15 AM] Chris Kluwe: i finished going through all ten years of his blog posts [28/12/2014, 10:13:16 AM] Faruk Ates: I was sous-cheffing [28/12/2014, 10:13:18 AM] Faruk Ates: Wow [28/12/2014, 10:13:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: and blecchhhh [28/12/2014, 10:13:24 AM] Athena Hollow: god that blog is soul rending. [28/12/2014, 10:13:32 AM] Faruk Ates: How many hugs do you need, Chris? [28/12/2014, 10:13:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh [28/12/2014, 10:13:50 AM] Ian Cheong: I can't imagine. [28/12/2014, 10:13:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's just like, you see this disintegration of a person [28/12/2014, 10:13:52 AM] Faruk Ates: Faruk Ates gives Chris a baker's dozen [28/12/2014, 10:13:57 AM] Chris Kluwe: and on the one hand it's really sad [28/12/2014, 10:14:01 AM] Ian Cheong: Wanna see something dumb? [28/12/2014, 10:14:04 AM] Quinnae: hugs Chris [28/12/2014, 10:14:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: and on the other it's like "ASSHOLE STOP HARASSING PEOPLE" [28/12/2014, 10:14:12 AM] Faruk Ates: It's worse than that: it eats away at your own humanity [28/12/2014, 10:14:16 AM] Ian Cheong: https://twitter.com/retrogamingfan/status/548996534730493954/photo/1 [28/12/2014, 10:14:17 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah :( [28/12/2014, 10:14:32 AM] Athena Hollow: I think I just need to get everyone's PO box or whatever, and just constantly make cookies as a "Eat these and feel better about having to deal with awful people" package LOL [28/12/2014, 10:14:37 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, you can see where he started out genuinely believing he was going to make a difference and fight corruption and all this [28/12/2014, 10:14:52 AM] Chris Kluwe: and then stuff happens, and he just can't deal with it [28/12/2014, 10:15:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: and he turns into the very thing he wanted to fight [28/12/2014, 10:15:11 AM] Ian Cheong: That's pitiful. [28/12/2014, 10:15:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: and he still doesn't recognize it [28/12/2014, 10:15:26 AM] David Gallant: Cernovich is obsessed with Ghomeshi now? I guess that figures. [28/12/2014, 10:15:27 AM] Ian Cheong: When you gaze into the abyss... [28/12/2014, 10:15:35 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's the other thing! [28/12/2014, 10:15:40 AM] Chris Kluwe: he's READ Nietzsche [28/12/2014, 10:15:42 AM] Faruk Ates: Chris: so, he totally Harvey Dent'ed? [28/12/2014, 10:15:46 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh completely [28/12/2014, 10:15:50 AM] Ian Cheong: So he should totally get that. Why doesn't he get it? [28/12/2014, 10:16:04 AM] Faruk Ates: I find this stuff so fascinating [28/12/2014, 10:16:11 AM] David Gallant: Ugh [28/12/2014, 10:16:14 AM] Athena Hollow: Ian. ugh. that thread.... [28/12/2014, 10:16:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: i think he's become a narcissistic sociopath without recognizing that he's become one [28/12/2014, 10:16:41 AM] Chris Kluwe: and he keeps twisting away from applying what he knows to himself [28/12/2014, 10:16:46 AM] Faruk Ates: because, like, I constantly find myself in those positions and then find myself making the obvious (to me) decision to _not_ go down the path of "stooping to the level at which they operate" [28/12/2014, 10:16:50 AM] Chris Kluwe: i don't even think it's conscious at this point [28/12/2014, 10:17:10 AM] Chris Kluwe: because at some level, if he ever does acknowledge all the stuff he's done [28/12/2014, 10:17:11 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's it [28/12/2014, 10:17:14 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah athena it's pretty bad. [28/12/2014, 10:17:17 AM] Faruk Ates: yeah [28/12/2014, 10:17:45 AM] Faruk Ates: That's usually the problem keeping people 'stuck' in this ever-harsher defense of the status quo [28/12/2014, 10:18:06 AM] Athena Hollow: So, Chris, basically we need to find someone who, back in the day he thought was completely gutless and horrible, and ask MC a question that would harken an answer similar to what that person answered. [28/12/2014, 10:18:13 AM] Athena Hollow: Then put them up, side by side. [28/12/2014, 10:18:21 AM] Chris Kluwe: he's already done that [28/12/2014, 10:18:22 AM] Faruk Ates: So, I've been dealing with sexist bros in the tech industry for a number of years, very actively [28/12/2014, 10:18:22 AM] Athena Hollow: Because short of that, I don't think he's ever going to see it. [28/12/2014, 10:18:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: on his blog [28/12/2014, 10:18:30 AM] Athena Hollow: ............ [28/12/2014, 10:18:31 AM] Faruk Ates: and this is what I see as the most common issue [28/12/2014, 10:18:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: if you compare what he's said currently [28/12/2014, 10:18:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: to what he talked about when it first started [28/12/2014, 10:18:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: it's night and day [28/12/2014, 10:18:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: that's why i keep trying to pin him down on Hotwheels [28/12/2014, 10:19:01 AM] Faruk Ates: when people are trying to entertain our points, it forces them to acknowledge the damage they've caused being complicit in the systems of inequality [28/12/2014, 10:19:09 AM] Faruk Ates: and _that_ acknowledgement scares them [28/12/2014, 10:19:11 AM] Faruk Ates: terrifies them [28/12/2014, 10:19:14 AM] Faruk Ates: and makes them dig in their heels [28/12/2014, 10:19:17 AM] Faruk Ates: double down on their stance [28/12/2014, 10:19:19 AM] Faruk Ates: and fight instead [28/12/2014, 10:19:22 AM] Chris Kluwe: no one wants to think they weren't the hero all along [28/12/2014, 10:19:28 AM] Faruk Ates: yeah [28/12/2014, 10:19:45 AM] Faruk Ates: it's such a constant thing, so much so I've started making it a part of every talk I give [28/12/2014, 10:19:54 AM] Faruk Ates: well, all but the purely tech talks [28/12/2014, 10:19:57 AM] Athena Hollow: I think that's why I've always been so very attentive to how people act & react & call me out if I fuck up, because I don't ever wanna be 'that guy'. [28/12/2014, 10:19:59 AM] David Gallant: Fuck that, I know I'm never the hero. [28/12/2014, 10:20:15 AM] Athena Hollow: I don't want to be the hero, but I don't wanna be a doubling down douchebag either lol [28/12/2014, 10:20:17 AM] Chris Kluwe: right athena, it's always this introspective stuff [28/12/2014, 10:20:32 AM] Faruk Ates: We like to think of ourselves as good people; some have a harder time dealing with the imperfections we all have, as well. [28/12/2014, 10:20:34 AM] Chris Kluwe: where if i make a mistake, fuck, but i'm gonna do my damndest not to make that mistake again [28/12/2014, 10:20:42 AM] Chris Kluwe: instead of doubling down on it [28/12/2014, 10:20:43 AM] Athena Hollow: exactly [28/12/2014, 10:20:49 AM] Ian Cheong: Yep. It's called growing as a person. [28/12/2014, 10:20:50 AM] Athena Hollow: And everyone fucks up. All of us. [28/12/2014, 10:20:56 AM] Athena Hollow: It's how we handle it from there that's important. [28/12/2014, 10:20:59 AM] Faruk Ates: Having a (social) safety net plays a role in this [28/12/2014, 10:21:07 AM] Chris Kluwe: honestly, i think that's one of the subconscious problems of gamergate [28/12/2014, 10:21:11 AM] Faruk Ates: When it's okay to fuck up, people are more okay with the act of fucking up [28/12/2014, 10:21:18 AM] Chris Kluwe: is that they're used to being able to go back to a previous save state [28/12/2014, 10:21:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: if they screw up [28/12/2014, 10:21:21 AM] Faruk Ates: And more okay with acknowledging that [28/12/2014, 10:21:25 AM] Chris Kluwe: and then do it right [28/12/2014, 10:21:28 AM] Ian Cheong: Ha yeah Chris. [28/12/2014, 10:21:29 AM] Chris Kluwe: AS IF THE MISTAKE NEVER EXISTED [28/12/2014, 10:21:34 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah seriously [28/12/2014, 10:21:36 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: I'm still not buying the whole "GG plays videogames" thing [28/12/2014, 10:21:40 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 10:21:49 AM] Faruk Ates: "Milo was never against gamers, he just needed to load a previous save" [28/12/2014, 10:21:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: heh, i don't think they play as much as they think they play [28/12/2014, 10:21:51 AM] Athena Hollow: I think the anonymity plays a big role w/ that. They can delete & start over [28/12/2014, 10:21:59 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: I mean, case in point here, no, this is a channer thing [28/12/2014, 10:22:04 AM] Ian Cheong: Gamergate was founded on harassment, but wait, it's now about ethics in game journalism! You have to forget the part where it was about harassment! [28/12/2014, 10:22:08 AM] Chris Kluwe: exactly [28/12/2014, 10:22:13 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: if I say something horrible, its OK, because nobody knows I was the one who said it" [28/12/2014, 10:22:27 AM] Ian Cheong: They think they can perform a mulligan in real life. [28/12/2014, 10:22:28 AM] Chris Kluwe: the well is poisoned, well, i'll just reload a different character who didn't drink from that well [28/12/2014, 10:22:39 AM] Faruk Ates: "Mike C never mocked gamers as being pitiful beings. **loads previous save**" [28/12/2014, 10:22:44 AM] Chris Kluwe: yup [28/12/2014, 10:23:02 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: this is also why you so often get the whole "Hey! It's only a few bad eggs saying things like that!" bit, then look at their timeline and see nothing but things like that [28/12/2014, 10:23:03 AM] Athena Hollow: Of course, this only works in THEIR personal perception, not the world's, and they're lost because of it. [28/12/2014, 10:23:19 AM] Chris Kluwe: again, if they were capable of introspection, they'd be long gone [28/12/2014, 10:23:22 AM] Athena Hollow: The world doesn't operate in chan-world. [28/12/2014, 10:23:25 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: the whole "personal history" concept is totally alien to them [28/12/2014, 10:23:28 AM] Ian Cheong: They need to try harder at being human. You can't make people forget what you did or said to them. [28/12/2014, 10:23:32 AM] Faruk Ates: This is also something I've talked about in this chat room before it had a lot of people in it [28/12/2014, 10:23:37 AM] Faruk Ates: These people live in their games [28/12/2014, 10:23:38 AM] Faruk Ates: BUT [28/12/2014, 10:23:45 AM] Faruk Ates: games are a very poor representation of humans [28/12/2014, 10:23:51 AM] Chris Kluwe: oh definitely [28/12/2014, 10:23:55 AM] Athena Hollow: hell, humans are poor representation of humans lol [28/12/2014, 10:23:56 AM] Faruk Ates: the writing in games rarely lets characters make human mistakes [28/12/2014, 10:24:12 AM] Ian Cheong: I wonder though. [28/12/2014, 10:24:13 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: again though, the whole game thing is a fiction [28/12/2014, 10:24:16 AM] Ian Cheong: Is this what humans are destined to become? [28/12/2014, 10:24:20 AM] Ian Cheong: Sociopathic and uncaring. [28/12/2014, 10:24:21 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: that's why their references are all so flawed and dated [28/12/2014, 10:24:21 AM] Faruk Ates: the writing in games rarely lets characters have proper human emotions [28/12/2014, 10:24:29 AM] Chris Kluwe: i don't think so ian [28/12/2014, 10:24:38 AM] Chris Kluwe: because if we do, then we'll kill ourselves off [28/12/2014, 10:24:39 AM] Faruk Ates: the writing in games rarely lets characters mess up and apologize for it and resolve conflicts [28/12/2014, 10:24:50 AM] Faruk Ates: the writing in games is also just really sloppy and poor [28/12/2014, 10:25:03 AM] Faruk Ates: it's just so sad sometimes [28/12/2014, 10:25:06 AM] Chris Kluwe: well, for a long time, it was seen as secondary to graphics and/or mechanics [28/12/2014, 10:25:14 AM] Ian Cheong: I guess not, because we (that is us, in this group) stand as a testament to the empathy that exists in humanity. [28/12/2014, 10:25:16 AM] Faruk Ates: this medium is AMAZING for telling powerful stories of human interactions [28/12/2014, 10:25:20 AM] Chris Kluwe: very few people realize that story is just as much a mechanic as your combat system [28/12/2014, 10:25:37 AM] Faruk Ates: it's THE best way of putting you as a person in another person's shoes and have them walk five miles [28/12/2014, 10:25:41 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: I still wish more people would play Siren [28/12/2014, 10:25:42 AM] Faruk Ates: and yet [28/12/2014, 10:25:50 AM] Faruk Ates: so few games bother doing so [28/12/2014, 10:26:05 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: that sucker is the BEST at conveying personality through gameplay [28/12/2014, 10:26:25 AM] Faruk Ates: Ian: "Is this what humans are destined to become? Sociopathic and uncaring." ← No, I don't think so [28/12/2014, 10:26:29 AM] David Gallant: SGG - you mean the survival horror game from PS2/PS3? [28/12/2014, 10:26:36 AM] Chris Kluwe: ok, well i'm gonna head out to dinner [28/12/2014, 10:26:37 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: granted, it's also a 20 hour stealth/horror game, so, I'm asking a lot [28/12/2014, 10:26:39 AM] Chris Kluwe: see you all tomorrow [28/12/2014, 10:26:43 AM] Chris Kluwe: try not to let the world burn down :p [28/12/2014, 10:26:43 AM] Faruk Ates: If anything, people are becoming better all the time [28/12/2014, 10:26:43 AM] Ian Cheong: See you Chris. [28/12/2014, 10:26:44 AM] Dan Olson: Later Chris [28/12/2014, 10:26:45 AM] Faruk Ates: See ya Chris! [28/12/2014, 10:26:47 AM] David Gallant: Take care, Chris. [28/12/2014, 10:26:49 AM] Ian Cheong: It was good chatting. [28/12/2014, 10:27:02 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: and yes... except don't say "survival" when you aren't talking early RE games. [28/12/2014, 10:27:04 AM] Faruk Ates: Ian: look at the younger generation today [28/12/2014, 10:27:17 AM] Ian Cheong: faruk: True. Tumblr comes to mind. [28/12/2014, 10:27:21 AM] Ian Cheong: Lots of empathetic folks on there. [28/12/2014, 10:27:28 AM] Ian Cheong: Well, dismissing the call out culture bullshit. [28/12/2014, 10:27:29 AM] Faruk Ates: they examine and self-examine SO MUCH MORE than I did their age [28/12/2014, 10:27:53 AM] Faruk Ates: and I was ahead of the curve for my generation (or at least in my regional vicinity of high schoolers) [28/12/2014, 10:28:13 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: kind of a pet peeve. RE called itself that because it had Robinson's Requiem style tense inventory management [28/12/2014, 10:28:18 AM] Faruk Ates: (but, since I'm Dutch, I think we were ahead of the curve overall a bit ;)) [28/12/2014, 10:28:26 AM] Ian Cheong: hah [28/12/2014, 10:29:32 AM] Faruk Ates: The Netherlands was the first country to legalize same-sex marriage, one of the first to be sex-positive about sex workers, and one of the first (and still only) to understand that regulation and legalization of weed was a good thing. #PROUD [28/12/2014, 10:29:54 AM] Faruk Ates: We also were awful throughout history, but hey, we _mostly_ stopped that [28/12/2014, 10:30:09 AM] Faruk Ates: And now we're changing our racist Black Peter tradition [28/12/2014, 10:30:48 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: but anyway as I was saying, Siren does a really great job of communicating everyone's personality by way of the actions you have to take when playing as them, mostly just via solid level design [28/12/2014, 10:31:17 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/AnnieKNK/status/549029539608035328 [28/12/2014, 10:31:19 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: which is the sort of gameplay/storytelling marriage I love to death [28/12/2014, 10:31:20 AM] Athena Hollow: HAHAHHAHAHA [28/12/2014, 10:31:35 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Shadow of the Collosus kinda manages too [28/12/2014, 10:31:40 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: and Super Metroid [28/12/2014, 10:31:41 AM] Athena Hollow: "STOP TELLING US NAZIS ARE BAD!" [28/12/2014, 10:31:46 AM] Remy: So I was curious, but I don't want to randomly change the topic ( I do that way too much) but this made me wanna ask... what was the first game y'all ever played that allowed same-sex/non-hetero marriage? [28/12/2014, 10:31:48 AM] Ian Cheong: awwwww hell yeah this is great. [28/12/2014, 10:31:52 AM] Remy: or relationships, not even marriage per se [28/12/2014, 10:31:52 AM] Ian Cheong: they're turning on milo [28/12/2014, 10:31:57 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: come to think of it, all the best stories come in games with basically no dialog [28/12/2014, 10:32:08 AM] Athena Hollow: the sims 2 >_> [28/12/2014, 10:32:11 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: The Sims? [28/12/2014, 10:32:15 AM] Remy: I think the first one I played was Temple of Elemental Evil on PC, but a few years later the XBOX came out and they released Fable [28/12/2014, 10:32:32 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah it was either sims 1 or 2 dont remember which [28/12/2014, 10:32:36 AM] Remy: I've never owned an xbox but I begged my friend to let me borrow his system so I could play [28/12/2014, 10:32:46 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: I can't think of a lot of non-Sims games where it even comes up, really. [28/12/2014, 10:32:57 AM] Athena Hollow: not until bioware at least [28/12/2014, 10:33:00 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: The Sims, sandbox-y RPGs [28/12/2014, 10:33:10 AM] Remy: omg somewhere in Texas is a straight dude with an old xbox with a save file of a Hero who has saved the world and banged a questionably large number of digital men [28/12/2014, 10:33:14 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 10:33:46 AM] Remy: It's like the boy scouts say, always leave an area better than how you found it [28/12/2014, 10:35:42 AM] Ian Cheong: so hey anyone find it ironic that after all this bullshit about calling me a neo-nazi, their very own fredrick brennan comes out as a white nationalist and they all jump to defend him [28/12/2014, 10:35:44 AM] Athena Hollow: well, foxigon leaving gg lasted, what? a few hours? http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qkvh6/foxigon_is_asking_for_help_on_a_project_anyone/word [28/12/2014, 10:35:53 AM] Athena Hollow: of course they do. [28/12/2014, 10:36:07 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: No, because I have basic pattern recognition skills [28/12/2014, 10:36:10 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 10:36:24 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: if a GGer accuses you of anything negative, that accusation actually applies to that GGer. [28/12/2014, 10:36:42 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 10:36:44 AM] Remy: so true [28/12/2014, 10:36:52 AM] Remy: lol seriously Foxigon [28/12/2014, 10:36:53 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: hence my absolute horror that time a bunch of them were "worrying" about "SJWs making a martyr of someoen" [28/12/2014, 10:36:56 AM] Remy: no dedication [28/12/2014, 10:38:10 AM] Quinnae: Oh my gods, this guy will not stop https://twitter.com/locke742/status/549030999821398016 [28/12/2014, 10:38:18 AM] Faruk Ates: I see this one a lot: "SJWs are infighting!" No, we're just having a discussion about feminism where some of us disagree with others. [28/12/2014, 10:39:01 AM] Remy: You know what would just put the best cherry on top of this GamerGate cake? [28/12/2014, 10:39:08 AM] David Gallant: ... which happens a lot, because we're not a fucking hivemind. [28/12/2014, 10:39:09 AM] Remy: I wanna see Last Week Tonight dedicate an entire episode to it. [28/12/2014, 10:39:09 AM] Athena Hollow: that person is fucking dumb Katherine. [28/12/2014, 10:39:22 AM] Remy: I mean, really. The neo-nazi conspiracies, the ridiculousness of it all [28/12/2014, 10:39:28 AM] Remy: It needs to be laughed at by professionals [28/12/2014, 10:39:29 AM] Athena Hollow: "YOUR PEOPLE ARE ATTACKING ME BECAUSE I SAID A DUMB THING IN YOUR STATUS ATTACKING YOU FIRST!" [28/12/2014, 10:39:46 AM] Faruk Ates: John Oliver is doing a really good job with LWT [28/12/2014, 10:39:48 AM] Athena Hollow: instead of just goddamn admitting he fucked up and apologizing. [28/12/2014, 10:39:50 AM] Remy: Colbert did a nice little interview and all but [28/12/2014, 10:39:52 AM] Athena Hollow: is it really that fucking hard to do??? [28/12/2014, 10:40:08 AM] Remy: I need someone to dive into GamerGate head first and then jump out and just skewer them [28/12/2014, 10:40:12 AM] Athena Hollow: yes. [28/12/2014, 10:40:23 AM] David Gallant: Been there. Tried that. Got hurt. [28/12/2014, 10:40:36 AM] Remy: They have been lighting up the "stranger than fiction" button for so damn long it doesn't even register to me anymore. Poe's law means nothing to me now [28/12/2014, 10:40:41 AM] Remy: Nothing is true. Everything is permitted [28/12/2014, 10:40:51 AM] Randi Harper: oh my god [28/12/2014, 10:40:51 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: "I wanna see Last Week Tonight dedicate an entire episode to it." [28/12/2014, 10:40:53 AM] Randi Harper: i trolled trade chat [28/12/2014, 10:40:58 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: what's funny is, last I checked, they do too [28/12/2014, 10:41:01 AM] Randi Harper: with /2 "it's about ethics in games journalism" - literally all i said, no context [28/12/2014, 10:41:09 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 10:41:15 AM] Randi Harper: the conversation from there: [28/12/2014, 10:41:18 AM] Randi Harper: wat r ethics [28/12/2014, 10:41:20 AM] Remy: at this point "ethics" is all you need to say [28/12/2014, 10:41:21 AM] Randi Harper: how r ethics formed [28/12/2014, 10:41:28 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: because surely, John Oliver isn't some corrupt SJW who will tell the REAL story [28/12/2014, 10:41:29 AM] Randi Harper: explain/debate ethics [28/12/2014, 10:41:45 AM] Randi Harper: ethics: when you choose not to rape someone because, well... it's the right thing to do. [28/12/2014, 10:41:48 AM] Remy: Your friend buys you both sodas and then trips on the way back to you, spilling both sodas over both of your shoes. You just roll your eyes at her and say "Nice ethics, bro" [28/12/2014, 10:42:02 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: but then on the other hand [28/12/2014, 10:42:03 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: http://secretgamergirl.tumblr.com/post/106312136150/a-few-misconceptions-about-gamergate [28/12/2014, 10:42:10 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 10:42:18 AM] Ian Cheong: im heading out [28/12/2014, 10:42:22 AM] Faruk Ates: John Oliver is one of the most SJW-like people in mainstream media [28/12/2014, 10:42:22 AM] Ian Cheong: ill catch you folks later. [28/12/2014, 10:42:26 AM] Faruk Ates: cya Ian! [28/12/2014, 10:42:29 AM] Quinnae: See you, Ian! [28/12/2014, 10:42:56 AM] Remy: At first I wasn't excited about another tv show with a white dude but I'll make room for Jon Oliver [28/12/2014, 10:43:02 AM] Faruk Ates: BTW, Athena: that's another thing that games never show and thus never teach their players [28/12/2014, 10:43:04 AM] Faruk Ates: apologizing [28/12/2014, 10:43:05 AM] Remy: I can't remember if it's Jon or John [28/12/2014, 10:43:45 AM] Faruk Ates: Count the number of times a game's protagonist 1. Makes a mistake. 2. Owns up to it (instead of making excuses). 3. Apologizes. [28/12/2014, 10:43:52 AM] Athena Hollow: These children need some Sesame Street & Mr Rogers in their lives. [28/12/2014, 10:43:58 AM] Randi Harper: ugh [28/12/2014, 10:44:01 AM] David Gallant: Forreal [28/12/2014, 10:44:04 AM] Randi Harper: so, i feel like such a jerk right now [28/12/2014, 10:44:09 AM] Faruk Ates: how come Randi? [28/12/2014, 10:44:11 AM] David Gallant: What happened, Randi? [28/12/2014, 10:44:33 AM] Randi Harper: because all these randos added me on facebook after all this stuff happened. and they are good people. but they keep messaging me and i just want to throw my phone when i get messages from people that i don't really know. [28/12/2014, 10:44:42 AM] Randi Harper: and i'm not really sure how to tell them to go away. [28/12/2014, 10:44:51 AM] Athena Hollow: do what I did and do a friends cull [28/12/2014, 10:45:01 AM] Athena Hollow: just say you're having to lock down [28/12/2014, 10:45:05 AM] Randi Harper: i have reasons outside of gamergate to not do that. [28/12/2014, 10:45:06 AM] Remy: ^ this is why I have tried to be so careful not to swarm and crowd all y'all while I express my admiration and shit [28/12/2014, 10:45:17 AM] Remy: I don't wanna cross the line from "fan" to "rude/stalker" [28/12/2014, 10:45:23 AM] Faruk Ates: Randi: any reason you keep your FB public and not private? [28/12/2014, 10:45:35 AM] Randi Harper: i have had jobs in the past where my bonus was directly tied to my klout score. [28/12/2014, 10:45:39 AM] Athena Hollow: ..... [28/12/2014, 10:45:41 AM] Randi Harper: i'm a public person. [28/12/2014, 10:45:43 AM] Randi Harper: have been for a long time. [28/12/2014, 10:45:48 AM] Faruk Ates: mkay [28/12/2014, 10:45:52 AM] Remy: And most of y'all are "celebrities" against your will? So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm already an asshole by reaching out to y'all without an introduction first anyway [28/12/2014, 10:45:55 AM] Randi Harper: i was a technical evangelist before. [28/12/2014, 10:46:02 AM] Faruk Ates: I never used FB for public things; it's my private social network since it's only friends and family [28/12/2014, 10:46:06 AM] Randi Harper: Stephen: not me, not exactly. for this, yes. maybe. [28/12/2014, 10:46:09 AM] Randi Harper: i knew what i was doing. [28/12/2014, 10:46:10 AM] Athena Hollow: I think that's why I have an fb page and a profile [28/12/2014, 10:46:22 AM] Randi Harper: it used to be my job to network [28/12/2014, 10:46:26 AM] Athena Hollow: so that i can keep em separated (and tie my klout to my page ;) ) [28/12/2014, 10:46:42 AM] Faruk Ates: I don't really "get" the use of FB for something public, personally; I own business accounts on FB but they do little more than namesquat [28/12/2014, 10:46:47 AM] Remy: Randi: No I wasn't trying to imply that about you. Some of the folks in here have established careers in the public eye. But a lot of the folks here were just trying to do their thing [28/12/2014, 10:46:50 AM] Randi Harper: ah. [28/12/2014, 10:46:52 AM] Remy: Sorry ^_^" [28/12/2014, 10:47:04 AM] Remy: I communicate myself poorly [28/12/2014, 10:47:13 AM] Athena Hollow: I've even got 2 modeling pages: one all ages cosplay, one porn stuff LOL [28/12/2014, 10:47:16 AM] Randi Harper: faruk: it used to be my job to be approachable, on a level from engineering to CXOs [28/12/2014, 10:47:21 AM] Faruk Ates: Anyway, Randi: are they sending messages or posting on your wall? [28/12/2014, 10:47:31 AM] Randi Harper: having a public facebook presence was just expected. [28/12/2014, 10:47:31 AM] Faruk Ates: Yeah, that makes total sense [28/12/2014, 10:47:36 AM] Randi Harper: sending messages. [28/12/2014, 10:47:38 AM] Faruk Ates: If you're a tech evangelist? Absolutely. [28/12/2014, 10:47:45 AM] Faruk Ates: (or were, previously) [28/12/2014, 10:47:55 AM] Randi Harper: my usual approach when i'm busy - which is TERRIBLE, i realize - is to just ignore it [28/12/2014, 10:47:59 AM] Randi Harper: and eventually respond when I've got more time [28/12/2014, 10:48:05 AM] Randi Harper: but a few of these folks are messaging me every single night [28/12/2014, 10:48:12 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: oh ww [28/12/2014, 10:48:15 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: wow, even [28/12/2014, 10:48:23 AM] Faruk Ates: There's no way to set different priority levels between people you know (= connected to) and people you don't know sending messages, right? [28/12/2014, 10:48:36 AM] Randi Harper: yeah. i'm not sure how to break it to them that i am not down for making a highly personal friendship with them. [28/12/2014, 10:48:42 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: some GGer reblogged this thing I tossed up last night and added like 50 links to how various things "really started" [28/12/2014, 10:48:53 AM] David Gallant: UGH [28/12/2014, 10:48:55 AM] Faruk Ates: ugh [28/12/2014, 10:49:00 AM] Randi Harper: ew. [28/12/2014, 10:49:34 AM] Faruk Ates: hey, sorry to be unrelated to everything for a second, but: how is Wasteland 2? Has anyone played it, and if so, is it worth buying? (it's currently 25% off on Steam) [28/12/2014, 10:49:47 AM] Remy: It's totally fun [28/12/2014, 10:49:54 AM] Remy: I haven't finished it but that's more due to scheduling than fun factor [28/12/2014, 10:50:03 AM] Remy: Do you like turn based tactics? [28/12/2014, 10:50:26 AM] Faruk Ates: sometimes [28/12/2014, 10:50:35 AM] Faruk Ates: I love Jagged Alliance 2 and the new XCOM [28/12/2014, 10:50:51 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: ... and not the original X-Com? [28/12/2014, 10:51:03 AM] Faruk Ates: gameplay was too frustrating by the time I played it [28/12/2014, 10:51:07 AM] Faruk Ates: I had higher standards [28/12/2014, 10:51:22 AM] Remy: It's harder to break into the "classics" if you didn't get introduced to them first [28/12/2014, 10:51:36 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Oh just because the difficulty selection is bugged the hell out [28/12/2014, 10:51:37 AM] Remy: And do not bother with The Bureau: XCOM Declassified [28/12/2014, 10:51:50 AM] Remy: The only XCOM game to spontaneously decide that women can't be in combat I guess [28/12/2014, 10:52:03 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: X-Com is pretty sink or swim, but when it clicks it's pretty great [28/12/2014, 10:52:03 AM] Remy: And also suddenly forget how to tell a story that doesn't suck [28/12/2014, 10:52:16 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: that said, I tend to go through every save slot every round of combat [28/12/2014, 10:52:21 AM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 10:52:38 AM] Remy: SGG if you're looking for that kind of experience maybe try out Xenonauts? [28/12/2014, 10:52:44 AM] Remy: Spiritual successor to XCOM on Steam [28/12/2014, 10:53:09 AM] Dan Olson: My XCOM Psychic Canadian Girl Squad is the best [28/12/2014, 10:53:16 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: there's a lot of spiritual successors to X-Com on steam, most of which don't work for me for some reason. [28/12/2014, 10:53:20 AM] Dan Olson: Had to go through a LOT of recruits [28/12/2014, 10:53:30 AM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 10:53:49 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: and I don't mean I dislike them, I mean, why do all these X-Com clones crash on their title screens? [28/12/2014, 10:54:31 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: and then of course there's Rebelstar- the semi-obscure GBA game by the original X-Com devs which is, essentially, the tutorial X-Com always needed [28/12/2014, 10:58:57 AM] Rob: Howdy, folks [28/12/2014, 10:59:24 AM] Athena Hollow: howdy rob [28/12/2014, 10:59:28 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: hi [28/12/2014, 10:59:31 AM] David Gallant: Hey Rob. [28/12/2014, 10:59:32 AM] Quinnae: Dan, that Psychic Canadian Girl squad sounds amazing. [28/12/2014, 10:59:54 AM] Rob: I'm full in my tummy-tum-tum-tum [28/12/2014, 11:00:14 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 11:00:34 AM] Dan Olson: It was, though I think I lost that save file [28/12/2014, 11:00:35 AM] Faruk Ates: Stephen: yeah, XCOM Declassified did not seem good at all, in thee end [28/12/2014, 11:01:15 AM] Faruk Ates: Dan: did you deliberately put all non-Canadian, non-female recruits in the line of danger? [28/12/2014, 11:01:21 AM] Faruk Ates: hey Rob [28/12/2014, 11:01:25 AM] Rob: Ahoy [28/12/2014, 11:01:42 AM] Faruk Ates: ANYHOO: thanks for the tip, it sounds like Wasteland 2 may be worth the money then? [28/12/2014, 11:01:48 AM] Remy: I would have loved to see XCOM Declassified done properly. The adaptation of teamwork and strategy into a real-time shooter (admittedly by borrowing almost entirely from Mass Effect) was an amazing experience. But it was muted by the terrible dialogue [28/12/2014, 11:01:57 AM] Dan Olson: No, I just delayed the base assault indefinitely while recruiting and recruiting and recruiting [28/12/2014, 11:02:44 AM] Dan Olson: recruit 50, dismiss all but 0-2, [28/12/2014, 11:02:52 AM] Faruk Ates: wow [28/12/2014, 11:03:01 AM] Dan Olson: then I just save-scummed the psychic test until I got the results I wanted. [28/12/2014, 11:03:05 AM] Faruk Ates: :) [28/12/2014, 11:03:23 AM] Faruk Ates: oh geeze, looks like everything on my Steam wish list is for sale [28/12/2014, 11:03:46 AM] Athena Hollow: haha most of mine is too [28/12/2014, 11:04:16 AM] Athena Hollow: but I'm waiting to see if FFVIII & Hatoful Boyfriend come down closer to 50% >_> [28/12/2014, 11:04:21 AM] Faruk Ates: I still need to finish Divinity: Original Sin [28/12/2014, 11:04:52 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/549038091743551488 [28/12/2014, 11:05:36 AM] Faruk Ates: Stephen: how would you compare Wasteland 2 to Jagged Alliance 2, if you played the latter? [28/12/2014, 11:06:16 AM] Remy: Let me think it's been a month or so since I've played either [28/12/2014, 11:06:45 AM] Remy: JA isn't going to focus so much on your character sheet [28/12/2014, 11:06:52 AM] Quinnae: Sarah: the response to that is so unsurprising. [28/12/2014, 11:06:59 AM] Remy: Wasteland 2 follows more along Fallout's path [28/12/2014, 11:07:03 AM] Faruk Ates: ok [28/12/2014, 11:07:11 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i know right katherine [28/12/2014, 11:07:17 AM] Faruk Ates: that sounds good actually, I'd not have minded more character focus in JA2 [28/12/2014, 11:07:25 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: "yes hes' advertising to nazis, what's wrong with that? he just wants visitors to his site!" [28/12/2014, 11:07:35 AM] Remy: And Wasteland 2 is going to have more in0depth dialogue and character development IMO [28/12/2014, 11:07:57 AM] Remy: It starts off acting all macho and stuff but honestly the plot so far seems pretty good and characters are memorable [28/12/2014, 11:08:42 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: "what he's doing is legal, how could you possibly object?!" [28/12/2014, 11:08:58 AM] Faruk Ates: OK, I will get it [28/12/2014, 11:09:07 AM] Faruk Ates: I'm sure I'll have time to play it sometime in 2015 ;) [28/12/2014, 11:09:16 AM] David Gallant: It's super hard to be surprised by any of this anymore. [28/12/2014, 11:09:24 AM] Faruk Ates: also getting Never Alone despite lacking a PC [28/12/2014, 11:09:50 AM] Faruk Ates: (I can put it on my roommate's gaming PC I'm allowed to use) [28/12/2014, 11:10:33 AM] Faruk Ates: thanks! [28/12/2014, 11:12:56 AM] Randi Harper: gamergate is just way too obsessive. https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/548557317583945730 [28/12/2014, 11:13:56 AM] Athena Hollow: yep. [28/12/2014, 11:14:13 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: what was that referring to randi? the original comment [28/12/2014, 11:14:19 AM] Athena Hollow: Don't blame wars in the middle east on Gamergate, but for fuck sake, if it's stuff they are doing, then goddammit, they are at fault. [28/12/2014, 11:14:22 AM] Rob: Too bad she didn't bother to read your earlier statements on the SJW autoblocker, or her brain would have grown three sizes that day [28/12/2014, 11:15:11 AM] Randi Harper: no kidding. [28/12/2014, 11:15:22 AM] Randi Harper: there was an article about gamergate [28/12/2014, 11:15:30 AM] Randi Harper: it attributed sjw autoblocker to coming out of gamergate [28/12/2014, 11:15:34 AM] Randi Harper: i argued with the reporter after it was released [28/12/2014, 11:15:40 AM] Athena Hollow: Did they ever clear that up? [28/12/2014, 11:15:47 AM] Rob: I saw that argument. I was kind of stunned by his response [28/12/2014, 11:15:48 AM] Randi Harper: it took her a while to get the retraction in. and she stuck to her guns of saying that perception was basically more important than facts. [28/12/2014, 11:15:52 AM] Rob: oh, her [28/12/2014, 11:15:59 AM] Rob: I didn't see who the author was, just saw some of the response [28/12/2014, 11:16:02 AM] Faruk Ates: UGH [28/12/2014, 11:16:12 AM] Randi Harper: like "well, you can't PROVE it wasn't gamergate" is just so fucking lazy. [28/12/2014, 11:16:14 AM] Randi Harper: i wrote the code. [28/12/2014, 11:16:18 AM] Randi Harper: literally an expert in ggautoblocker thanks [28/12/2014, 11:16:26 AM] Athena Hollow: lol yea it was dumb as hell. [28/12/2014, 11:16:33 AM] Athena Hollow: "Except... I CAN prove it, you moron" [28/12/2014, 11:16:52 AM] Rob: I thought you stole the code because you can't get a security clearance anywhere and also you';re a woman so obviously you stole code because man are made all things, though. [28/12/2014, 11:16:57 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 11:17:43 AM] Rob: But seriously, if you were just interested in internet 'politicking' or w/e, you saying 'YEP ITS GG TOTES MCGOTES' would be the 'smart' play given how you've spoken out repeatedly against GG, so I have no idea why someone would refuse to take you at your word re: something like the SJW autoblocker [28/12/2014, 11:17:56 AM] Randi Harper: lollll [28/12/2014, 11:17:56 AM] Randi Harper: https://tidy.cc/NPQXKhBK [28/12/2014, 11:19:14 AM] Faruk Ates: ok, that is TOO FUNNY [28/12/2014, 11:19:39 AM] Faruk Ates: "Don't abuse the report system." "QUICK, EVERYONE, REPORT HER FOR SAYING THIS!" [28/12/2014, 11:19:46 AM] Athena Hollow: .... they are too dumb to figure out how to report? LOL [28/12/2014, 11:20:04 AM] Athena Hollow: Note: If the original tweet is deleted, put any other tweet by the same user in the "Reported Tweet URL" section, and paste the "Further description of problem" section as-is. [28/12/2014, 11:20:13 AM] Athena Hollow: OH TOO BAD THEY DONT ACCEPT ARCHIVED LINKS MOTHERFUCKERS [28/12/2014, 11:20:19 AM] Faruk Ates: they are too young and inexperienced with things, in any case [28/12/2014, 11:20:22 AM] Athena Hollow: otherwise, we would have already had a ton of you guys banned forever. [28/12/2014, 11:20:42 AM] Athena Hollow: ugh. dumb kids. [28/12/2014, 11:20:43 AM] Faruk Ates: nah, the archived stuff barely matters [28/12/2014, 11:21:04 AM] Faruk Ates: Twitter's unwilling to see harassment as harassment is the reason they haven't all had their accounts deleted [28/12/2014, 11:21:27 AM] Athena Hollow: oh absolutely but some things have blatantly crossed every line that SHOULD have had them blocked (as it did for others) [28/12/2014, 11:21:32 AM] David Gallant: Wait. "Attempting to abuse the reporting system through corruption." [28/12/2014, 11:21:36 AM] Athena Hollow: but since it was deleted "Whoops! no harm/no foul!" [28/12/2014, 11:21:37 AM] David Gallant: "THROUGH CORRUPTION" [28/12/2014, 11:21:51 AM] David Gallant: THEY LITERALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT WORD MEANS ANYMORE [28/12/2014, 11:21:52 AM] Remy: So hey, I never heard the final results of that ad that was put out on KiA [28/12/2014, 11:21:56 AM] Remy: How did that go over? [28/12/2014, 11:22:03 AM] Athena Hollow: HAHAH it got removed [28/12/2014, 11:22:08 AM] Athena Hollow: and $50 refunded [28/12/2014, 11:22:18 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: It's times like this the overzealous September blocktogether list really bugs me: https://twitter.com/SLAwrites/status/548913672111005697 [28/12/2014, 11:22:25 AM] Faruk Ates: aight I gotta go [28/12/2014, 11:22:30 AM] Athena Hollow: cya Faruk [28/12/2014, 11:22:35 AM] Faruk Ates: catch you all later. Hugs for everyone! <3 [28/12/2014, 11:23:09 AM] David Gallant: Later! [28/12/2014, 11:24:01 AM] David Gallant: SGG, I don't understand the context of Samantha's tweet? [28/12/2014, 11:24:29 AM] Remy: lol how did it get removed? [28/12/2014, 11:24:58 AM] Randi Harper: god i hate vacations [28/12/2014, 11:25:00 AM] Randi Harper: i never get anything done [28/12/2014, 11:25:04 AM] Randi Harper: i haven't worn pants in 3 days [28/12/2014, 11:25:07 AM] Randi Harper: today i ate bacon and napped [28/12/2014, 11:25:07 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 11:25:18 AM] Athena Hollow: i've had comfy NBC jammy pants on for 2 days cuz sick [28/12/2014, 11:25:35 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: It needs context? That's just really amusing, and I went to hit fav and NOPE. [28/12/2014, 11:25:56 AM] Quinnae: I've been in PJs for the last few days myself. Not gone out much because I've really just needed to relax. [28/12/2014, 11:25:58 AM] David Gallant: Oh, Samantha has you blocked. Now I understand. [28/12/2014, 11:26:02 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Because like, half of all feminists have me blocked on twitter because someone set up a reall stupid auto-blocker [28/12/2014, 11:26:03 AM] Rob: I get sad when people make me wear pants [28/12/2014, 11:26:55 AM] Randi Harper: i don't know of any other autoblockers. [28/12/2014, 11:27:17 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: yours is the good one [28/12/2014, 11:27:31 AM] David Gallant: You referring to the original BlockTogether? [28/12/2014, 11:27:39 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: yes [28/12/2014, 11:27:51 AM] David Gallant: Because BlockTogether is just the framework. ggautoblocker uses it too. [28/12/2014, 11:28:03 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Whoa. this chat has been super busy today! [28/12/2014, 11:28:04 AM] Randi Harper: HAHAHA I AM THE NAPOLEON HITLER OF GAMERGOOT [28/12/2014, 11:28:05 AM] David Gallant: The problem was people sharing their blocklists around. [28/12/2014, 11:28:10 AM] Randi Harper: http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qk7i1/the_antigamergate_playbook_reaxxion/cn6v7u8 [28/12/2014, 11:28:11 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Back in September, someone put together a list of: "anyone who has ever used the tag, with an account created in August or later" [28/12/2014, 11:28:17 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: which is VERY STUPID. [28/12/2014, 11:28:21 AM] Athena Hollow: HAHHAHAHAHA [28/12/2014, 11:28:27 AM] David Gallant: Ugh [28/12/2014, 11:28:34 AM] David Gallant: Okay, I see how that would go. [28/12/2014, 11:28:35 AM] Athena Hollow: and yeah, that's dumb. [28/12/2014, 11:28:48 AM] David Gallant: Weird how I'm not covered by that list, because I tweeted on the tag a lot. [28/12/2014, 11:29:04 AM] David Gallant: Oh wait, "created in August or later" [28/12/2014, 11:29:08 AM] Athena Hollow: I never used any lists except my own til Randi's, and not for a few weeks after that at least. [28/12/2014, 11:29:09 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Because seriously, if nothing else, if someone were to have the account compromised and start a new one, hey, they'd be blocked, and their compromised account wouldn't. [28/12/2014, 11:29:16 AM] Randi Harper: ahhh [28/12/2014, 11:29:18 AM] Randi Harper: it's kind of stupid. [28/12/2014, 11:29:25 AM] Randi Harper: but honestly i usually block accounts that are <1 yr old. [28/12/2014, 11:29:28 AM] David Gallant: Yeah, that's a recipe for a lot of false positives. [28/12/2014, 11:29:35 AM] Randi Harper: i could care less about false positives. [28/12/2014, 11:29:44 AM] Athena Hollow: Though I did share my 'manual gg blocktogether' list. But it was all verified GGers. [28/12/2014, 11:29:52 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): That's a horrible playbook. None of us even do those things [28/12/2014, 11:30:27 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): So, it looks like GGers are trying to get Milo to support the Neo-Nazi's in the group? https://twitter.com/iglvzx/status/549043694519980033 [28/12/2014, 11:30:48 AM] Athena Hollow: heh yep [28/12/2014, 11:31:15 AM] David Gallant: This is bringing back memories of the Polygon blocklist. [28/12/2014, 11:31:28 AM] Athena Hollow: I still think Milo distancing himself has nothing to do with Milo being opposed to it; but rather 1) He can still spin the CP stuff in his book, NOT an association w/ Nazis 2) He WANTS to be spurned and hated to make the last chapter best. [28/12/2014, 11:32:01 AM] Athena Hollow: Remember, he did put "I am not anti-Semitic" on the back of his last book lol [28/12/2014, 11:32:07 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): ... [28/12/2014, 11:32:12 AM] Athena Hollow: the fact that he had to say that is reason enough to believe that he's pretty fucking out there [28/12/2014, 11:32:25 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): yeah [28/12/2014, 11:32:50 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: that's one of those phrases where, if you have to say it, it's never true [28/12/2014, 11:32:53 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 11:32:57 AM] Athena Hollow: "I'm not racist but.............." [28/12/2014, 11:33:26 AM] Rob: I'm not racist, but I really wish I had some whiskey right now [28/12/2014, 11:33:29 AM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 11:33:31 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: also are people all over this yet? https://gratipay.com/infinitechan/ [28/12/2014, 11:34:02 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/549045485278076928 [28/12/2014, 11:35:26 AM] Remy: "I'm not racist, but..." [28/12/2014, 11:35:46 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): I'm not a racist, but I hate Nascar [28/12/2014, 11:35:59 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): :P [28/12/2014, 11:36:08 AM] Remy: Like, I always wanna stop them and be like [28/12/2014, 11:36:15 AM] Remy: "Before you continue..." [28/12/2014, 11:36:22 AM] Rob: :D [28/12/2014, 11:36:29 AM] Remy: "Did you know that 'but' is a conjunction that implies you are about to contradict your preceding statement?" [28/12/2014, 11:36:37 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): "I'm not a racist but" --> "I'm about to say something racist, but please don't judge me for it" [28/12/2014, 11:41:00 AM] Quinnae: Ah, good times. [28/12/2014, 11:41:28 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: hmm [28/12/2014, 11:42:05 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: all this NYPD stuff today almost has me thinking "I can't believe the police in New York of all plays would be..." but then I remember literally everything I've ever heard about the NYPD. [28/12/2014, 11:42:14 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: places [28/12/2014, 11:42:17 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: weird typo [28/12/2014, 11:42:30 AM] Quinnae: As a lifelong New Yorker I can tell you it's not in the least bit surprising. [28/12/2014, 11:43:13 AM] Athena Hollow: sent an email to gratipay :) [28/12/2014, 11:45:17 AM] David Gallant: Not sure if gratipay is related to gittip; I think I heard it was? [28/12/2014, 11:45:59 AM] Athena Hollow: gittip is gratipay [28/12/2014, 11:46:31 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/549048605588615168 [28/12/2014, 11:48:31 AM] SF: Playing TF2 with my father again is reminding me why I quit gaming. [28/12/2014, 11:48:32 AM] David Gallant: That's not promising. They've taken heat for enabling shitty users before. [28/12/2014, 11:48:40 AM] Athena Hollow: :-/ [28/12/2014, 11:48:51 AM] Athena Hollow: Yeah but this one specifically breaks their TOS so who knows. [28/12/2014, 11:48:59 AM] SF: Everything is a team game because everyone feels entitled to winning with no effort. Everyone's a dudebro that just types in "ayy lmao rekt u wot" pidgins. [28/12/2014, 11:49:07 AM] Athena Hollow: I would think they wouldn't want to get lumped in with "child porn enablers" at least LOL [28/12/2014, 11:49:36 AM] David Gallant: That sounds horrible, SF. Reminds me why I don't play TF2, or any multiplayer game online. [28/12/2014, 11:49:48 AM] David Gallant: Let's hope, Athena [28/12/2014, 11:51:25 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Did you toss along links to Dan and Simone's articles? [28/12/2014, 11:51:48 AM] SF: I can't find any non-narrative games that have stimulating gameplay without being competitive multiplayer either because they're all so braindead easy otherwise. [28/12/2014, 11:52:02 AM] Quinnae: SF, for a second I thought you were talking about GamerGate. [28/12/2014, 11:52:26 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Tetris? [28/12/2014, 11:52:59 AM] SF: I can do the perfect speed algorithms in puzzle games similar to Tetris, gets boring fast. [28/12/2014, 11:53:26 AM] Dan Olson: If this movie were a US production Lotte Köhler would have been merged into a composite character with Heinrich Blücher. [28/12/2014, 11:53:28 AM] Athena Hollow: I linked Dan's & the daily dot one [28/12/2014, 11:53:32 AM] Athena Hollow: they are the ones I had links to on hand [28/12/2014, 11:53:47 AM] Quinnae: Dan, you and I need to talk about this movie. [28/12/2014, 11:54:43 AM] Dan Olson: I'm still barely half way through. They're just prepping her manuscript for publication. [28/12/2014, 11:55:04 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/vivian_games/status/549050677285367808 heh. [28/12/2014, 11:55:23 AM] David Gallant: burn [28/12/2014, 11:55:40 AM] David Gallant: Movie? [28/12/2014, 11:56:16 AM] Dan Olson: Hannah Arendt [28/12/2014, 11:56:24 AM] Dan Olson: it's a biopic about Hannah Arendt [28/12/2014, 11:56:42 AM] David Gallant: Oh cool. [28/12/2014, 11:56:45 AM] Quinnae: I love that movie. [28/12/2014, 11:57:12 AM] Quinnae: I'm an Arendt nerd, so I'm biased, but... to me it was a rather good piece of filmmaking. [28/12/2014, 11:57:27 AM] Dan Olson: It's a very good piece of film making [28/12/2014, 11:58:14 AM] Dan Olson: especially since it's a conflict of ideas and philosophies [28/12/2014, 11:58:51 AM] Dan Olson: there's very little "personal demons" sub plot [28/12/2014, 11:59:09 AM] Dan Olson: which would be main plot in any American biopic [28/12/2014, 11:59:48 AM] Dan Olson: see also every "here's how I kicked heroin (while writing a hit album)" biopic [28/12/2014, 12:00:20 PM] Dan Olson: or "here's how I kicked heroin (while inventing a world changing device)" [28/12/2014, 12:00:28 PM] Athena Hollow: this is the best: https://twitter.com/WTFKAREEM/status/549037690713563137 [28/12/2014, 12:02:02 PM] Quinnae: Dan, I agree, that's part of why I like it. It manages to be engaging without resorting to all the usual tropes, and its handling of what would otherwise be a subject of prurient interest (the affair with Heidegger) is actually quite tasteful and substantive. [28/12/2014, 12:02:17 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: When I was your age, fedoras were a force fot good. Michael Jackson through them at mobsters and zombies. [28/12/2014, 12:02:40 PM] Rob: I can't wear my fucking fedora any more because of these assholes :C [28/12/2014, 12:02:53 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: threw [28/12/2014, 12:03:21 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: brain, why you making me type all these words that are close to the words I mean to type today? Is this about the 3 hours sleep per night for 4 months? [28/12/2014, 12:06:46 PM] Athena Hollow: Oh damn! i missed that they banned kiwikku [28/12/2014, 12:06:56 PM] Athena Hollow: http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2q0412/a_message_to_gamergate/cn2186s [28/12/2014, 12:06:59 PM] Dan Olson: also this film strikes deep right now, due to proximal issues [28/12/2014, 12:07:25 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: who is kiwikku again [28/12/2014, 12:07:31 PM] Athena Hollow: bitcoin [28/12/2014, 12:07:32 PM] Dan Olson: adorable KiAer [28/12/2014, 12:07:40 PM] Athena Hollow: claimed he was a PoC but was white lol [28/12/2014, 12:07:45 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): KIWIKKU! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! [28/12/2014, 12:07:48 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): I WILL AVENGE YOU [28/12/2014, 12:07:50 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 12:08:11 PM] Athena Hollow: His threads were the best. He was the little ethics that could. [28/12/2014, 12:08:12 PM] David Gallant: Wait, kiwikku is white but pretended to be a PoC? [28/12/2014, 12:08:31 PM] Athena Hollow: yeah, he claimed he was a PoC, but then someone found some pics he posted of a tattoo he had and he's so totally white lol [28/12/2014, 12:09:02 PM] Athena Hollow: so he backed off that thing entirely lol [28/12/2014, 12:09:18 PM] Athena Hollow: but yeah, man that dude was a special snowflake. [28/12/2014, 12:10:00 PM] Dan Olson: He was KiA's dumb, misplaced heart, trying desperately to steer KiA towards his child's understanding of ethics. [28/12/2014, 12:10:34 PM] Athena Hollow: I still don't know if he was just a really good troll or serious [28/12/2014, 12:10:42 PM] David Gallant: OH HE WAS THAT ONE [28/12/2014, 12:10:43 PM] Athena Hollow: but either way, it was good popcorn reading. [28/12/2014, 12:10:46 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): https://twitter.com/iglvzx/status/549054717574119425 [28/12/2014, 12:10:50 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Please RT. [28/12/2014, 12:10:51 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): :( [28/12/2014, 12:10:52 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): lol [28/12/2014, 12:12:10 PM] Randi Harper: jezebel has a dick pic post [28/12/2014, 12:12:13 PM] Alex Lifschitz: yesssss another "who have you lost" thread https://8chan.co/gamergate/res/143795.html [28/12/2014, 12:12:16 PM] Randi Harper: plot twist: it's disney [28/12/2014, 12:12:34 PM] David Gallant: Heya Alex [28/12/2014, 12:12:34 PM] Dan Olson: linklinklinklink [28/12/2014, 12:12:36 PM] Dan Olson: Randi [28/12/2014, 12:12:37 PM] Dan Olson: link [28/12/2014, 12:12:46 PM] Randi Harper: looking [28/12/2014, 12:12:49 PM] Randi Harper: i was viewing the peen on my phone [28/12/2014, 12:13:03 PM] Athena Hollow: Alex: the tears sustain me from these. [28/12/2014, 12:13:16 PM] Randi Harper: found it [28/12/2014, 12:13:20 PM] Randi Harper: http://jezebel.com/disney-dudes-dicks-what-your-favorite-princes-look-lik-1621694437 [28/12/2014, 12:13:22 PM] Randi Harper: NSFW [28/12/2014, 12:13:24 PM] Randi Harper: because cartoon peen [28/12/2014, 12:13:34 PM] Athena Hollow: OMG YES! hahahah [28/12/2014, 12:13:39 PM] Athena Hollow: HAHAHA IT'S SO SPARKLY [28/12/2014, 12:13:46 PM] Randi Harper: I KNOW [28/12/2014, 12:13:48 PM] Randi Harper: LOOK AT PRINCE ADAM [28/12/2014, 12:13:52 PM] Randi Harper: he has sparkledick [28/12/2014, 12:14:24 PM] Athena Hollow: HAHAAHHAH [28/12/2014, 12:14:41 PM] Randi Harper: the descriptions are awesome [28/12/2014, 12:14:44 PM] David Gallant: This post is from August... I've definitely seen these dicks before. [28/12/2014, 12:14:57 PM] Randi Harper: i have no idea why it just now showed up on my facebook [28/12/2014, 12:15:00 PM] Randi Harper: but i approve of this post. [28/12/2014, 12:15:20 PM] Athena Hollow: From "LOST PEOPLE CUZ GG" thread: "She was a pretty chill chick until her friends made her make a tumblr. Then she read Homestuck. It was a painful loss indeed." [28/12/2014, 12:15:22 PM] Athena Hollow: ahhjdhfsadfjkldfjaskljasf [28/12/2014, 12:15:53 PM] David Gallant: It's a lot of good dick. [28/12/2014, 12:15:57 PM] Dan Olson: hahaha, Aladdin "grower, not show-er" [28/12/2014, 12:16:05 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 12:16:08 PM] Dan Olson: John Smith "too much dick" [28/12/2014, 12:17:30 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): o.o [28/12/2014, 12:17:38 PM] Athena Hollow: Nope, gg isn't racist: "Just the one friend who ran a Pokemon themed tumblr. She was a really kind and gentle person and she honestly kept a rather neutral stance on GG. It was when the Ferguson stuff happened was when we split apart. She ignored all the evidence and all the facts and insisted that Darren Wilson was a devil and that Michael Brown was a good boy who dindu nuffin." [28/12/2014, 12:18:02 PM] David Gallant: David Gallant sighs [28/12/2014, 12:18:16 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: flipped the names there [28/12/2014, 12:18:54 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: or at least I certainly hope you did [28/12/2014, 12:19:29 PM] Athena Hollow: Huh? No no, they were saying they lost a friend that "insisted that Darren Wilson was a devil and that Michael Brown was a good boy who dindu nuffin" [28/12/2014, 12:19:44 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ah [28/12/2014, 12:19:47 PM] Randi Harper: how do i tell a guy that wants a relationship that he has cats and plays a pally and i could basically never do anything other than FWB with someone like that. [28/12/2014, 12:19:54 PM] Athena Hollow: LMAO [28/12/2014, 12:20:19 PM] Athena Hollow: Um. That he's FWB type and you can't see it working out in the long run [28/12/2014, 12:20:22 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Shout "cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria!" [28/12/2014, 12:20:24 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 12:20:36 PM] Athena Hollow: But that some fuzzy bumping isn't out of the question [28/12/2014, 12:20:45 PM] Randi Harper: he's complained about women only wanting him for sex in the past. [28/12/2014, 12:20:49 PM] Athena Hollow: welp [28/12/2014, 12:20:53 PM] Athena Hollow: um. [28/12/2014, 12:21:00 PM] Athena Hollow: Then skip that first part? lol [28/12/2014, 12:21:11 PM] Randi Harper: maybe he should ditch the cats and play a class that doesn't almost ALWAYS end up being some needy guy irl [28/12/2014, 12:21:15 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 12:21:21 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Also we all know cat people and dog people don't mix, but what's wrong with paladins? [28/12/2014, 12:21:35 PM] David Gallant: Ditch the cats? Blasphemy [28/12/2014, 12:21:35 PM] Athena Hollow: Definitely almost; hubby plays a pally but luckily isn't a needy guy haha [28/12/2014, 12:21:38 PM] Randi Harper: i have never met a male paladin that didn't have severe issues with being high maintenance. [28/12/2014, 12:21:54 PM] Athena Hollow: Mine asks for a bj once in a while XD [28/12/2014, 12:21:58 PM] Randi Harper: high maint isn't necessarily a bad thing, just doesn't work with me. [28/12/2014, 12:22:06 PM] Randi Harper: i'm a... see you ever Friday but ignore you the rest of the week type. [28/12/2014, 12:22:41 PM] Randi Harper: basically the worst at relationships, ever. [28/12/2014, 12:22:49 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 12:22:54 PM] Athena Hollow: Then tell him that! [28/12/2014, 12:23:22 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Secret Gamer Girl often ends up playing paladins with new groups just because so many seem to need to be shown an example of how to do it right. [28/12/2014, 12:23:56 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah, we go w/ pally/priest combo here because it works well for us as we know the classes and literally sit next to each other on the couch to play LOL [28/12/2014, 12:24:02 PM] Athena Hollow: so it's easy for us to coordinate [28/12/2014, 12:24:09 PM] Quinnae: Quinnae Flash of Light spams SGG. [28/12/2014, 12:24:16 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: but APPARENTLY you're talking WoW paladins [28/12/2014, 12:24:20 PM] Rob: I'm nananananananana FISHING [28/12/2014, 12:24:21 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL yes. [28/12/2014, 12:24:39 PM] Athena Hollow: Pallys in D&D are a pita. Goddamn lawfuls. Fuckin up my rogues. [28/12/2014, 12:24:54 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Randi, Brad Wardell hates cats ;) [28/12/2014, 12:24:55 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: which IIRC originally had no Horde representation, so, screw those guys sure [28/12/2014, 12:24:59 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): (sorry, lol) [28/12/2014, 12:25:06 PM] Rob: I've been banned from playing lawful good in my tabletop group [28/12/2014, 12:25:07 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and see, that's exactly what I'm saying right there [28/12/2014, 12:25:22 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah everyone plays lawful good pallys lol [28/12/2014, 12:25:26 PM] Athena Hollow: which is annoying as shit. [28/12/2014, 12:25:39 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: if you think paladins ruin the lives of rogues, you've never seen one played properly (or your rogues really have it coming) [28/12/2014, 12:25:41 PM] Athena Hollow: ESPECIALLY annoying when they break out the "exhalted deeds" book. [28/12/2014, 12:25:48 PM] Rob: exalted deeds <3 [28/12/2014, 12:25:51 PM] Athena Hollow: lol I actually don't play rogues that way. [28/12/2014, 12:25:56 PM] Quinnae: Heyyyyy [28/12/2014, 12:25:58 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I have mixed feelings about that book [28/12/2014, 12:26:04 PM] Athena Hollow: I'm usually the Lara Croft of rogues in D&D games. [28/12/2014, 12:26:09 PM] Athena Hollow: FUCK. THAT. BOOK. [28/12/2014, 12:26:10 PM] Athena Hollow: hahahah [28/12/2014, 12:26:14 PM] Rob: VoP is so fucking hacks if you play a druid. [28/12/2014, 12:26:18 PM] Rob: But Druids are OP anyways [28/12/2014, 12:26:20 PM] Rob: fucking tier 0 class [28/12/2014, 12:26:45 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I have a HUGE problem with "these are mechanically the same as poison but only work on evil people so there's no ethical issue with using them constantly" [28/12/2014, 12:27:02 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: but... I really dig the whole vow of povertry deal [28/12/2014, 12:27:20 PM] Rob: If you stick it on a druid or unarmed swordsage you basically murder everything [28/12/2014, 12:27:20 PM] Athena Hollow: VoP is awesome; VoNV SUCKS. ASS. [28/12/2014, 12:27:39 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: sometimes I just don't want to collect a ridiculously huge pile of magic junk, you know? [28/12/2014, 12:28:26 PM] Rob: I think the most WTF character I made was a cleric/warlock combo [28/12/2014, 12:28:40 PM] Rob: I forgot exactly how I built it, but I got the eldritch scythe [28/12/2014, 12:28:47 PM] Quinnae: Just so you know, LG Paladins are awesome. This needed to be said. [28/12/2014, 12:28:51 PM] Rob: and so basically I was heavy melee and just bypassed all AC. [28/12/2014, 12:28:58 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 12:29:06 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: but seriously, the proper way to be a paladin is to go all lead-by-example Dale Cooper style with it [28/12/2014, 12:29:51 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: the weird fire and brimstone judgemental A-hole thing that made its way into the nerd racial memory is pretty blatantly in violation of the actual alignment restrictions [28/12/2014, 12:30:27 PM] Athena Hollow: Oh definitely. It's just annoying as shit lol. [28/12/2014, 12:30:29 PM] Rob: I typically play LN characters [28/12/2014, 12:30:52 PM] Rob: So I'll justify doing awful stuff all the time. [28/12/2014, 12:31:13 PM] Athena Hollow: My husband tends to build characters that appear to be one thing, but aren't. Like, he had one named John Barker w/ a cohort named Fammy Taye. He APPEARED to be a cleric, but he was actually a rogue bard combo LOL [28/12/2014, 12:31:20 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I was about to say the one I've been playing has never once had a disagreement with the party's rogue but oh right we don't have a rogue [28/12/2014, 12:31:49 PM] Athena Hollow: He tends to get GMs who love him, and players that fucking hate him hahahah [28/12/2014, 12:32:02 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: heh [28/12/2014, 12:32:22 PM] Rob: I made a random throwaway rogue named 'Billy' once b/c the party had split and I was the only one who could make both sessions and my PC was off doing something else. [28/12/2014, 12:32:39 PM] Rob: He was the most bizarrely made character I ever made. Rogue, throw anything feat, improvised weapons [28/12/2014, 12:32:41 PM] Rob: Super high bluff. [28/12/2014, 12:32:53 PM] Rob: He just threw longswords at people and pretended to be a mage at some point. [28/12/2014, 12:33:01 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 12:33:11 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I ran a game a while ago where like, 3 levels in, the player of the cleric told me she just really was not at all digging it, but didn't want to go bringing a new character in [28/12/2014, 12:33:30 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: so I let her totally redo her stats as a ninja and said "she was secretly using a lot of wands." [28/12/2014, 12:33:34 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 12:33:44 PM] Rob: And he always introduced himself as "Billy the Alleged X", X being some crime he was accused of [28/12/2014, 12:33:55 PM] Rob: Because he met half the party by breaking them out of jail. [28/12/2014, 12:34:36 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: it's kinda sad how many people I tell that too who say "wow, my GM would never allow that sort of thing" [28/12/2014, 12:34:46 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: to [28/12/2014, 12:34:54 PM] Athena Hollow: My best, and most successful, characters were all hopeless by modifier standards LOL [28/12/2014, 12:35:05 PM] Athena Hollow: Between a -3 & a -1 total modifier XD [28/12/2014, 12:35:14 PM] Athena Hollow: Some fucking way, they always survived [28/12/2014, 12:35:17 PM] David Gallant: I'd totally allow shit like that, SGG [28/12/2014, 12:35:20 PM] Rob: The first character I made for one of my two college groups? I rolled 5 18s and a 16. [28/12/2014, 12:35:22 PM] Rob: In front of everyone. [28/12/2014, 12:35:27 PM] Athena Hollow: hah [28/12/2014, 12:35:34 PM] Randi Harper: brad wardell hates cats? [28/12/2014, 12:35:35 PM] Randi Harper: well [28/12/2014, 12:35:37 PM] Randi Harper: hitler likes dogs [28/12/2014, 12:35:39 PM] Athena Hollow: XD [28/12/2014, 12:35:41 PM] Randi Harper: everyone gets one thing right [28/12/2014, 12:35:53 PM] Athena Hollow: hahahahahaha [28/12/2014, 12:36:53 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw9AwaJaVGU [28/12/2014, 12:36:55 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Checkmate. [28/12/2014, 12:37:04 PM] Athena Hollow: LMAO [28/12/2014, 12:37:12 PM] Athena Hollow: that was an awesome fucking cat [28/12/2014, 12:38:41 PM] drinternetphd: apparently I googled "how do I talk to mara wilson" [28/12/2014, 12:38:48 PM] drinternetphd: earlier today when I had to talk to mara wilson [28/12/2014, 12:39:02 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Approach from the side and avoid showing teeth? [28/12/2014, 12:39:10 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 12:40:03 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: wait, had to? [28/12/2014, 12:41:46 PM] David Gallant: Mara Wilson seems pretty cool. [28/12/2014, 12:41:59 PM] drinternetphd: yeah my friend who's friends with her put me in a fb group chat so I could ask her stuff about pitching nonfiction [28/12/2014, 12:42:20 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: aha [28/12/2014, 12:43:21 PM] Alex Lifschitz: lol https://www.dropbox.com/s/y992papzukg92tf/Screenshot%202014-12-27%2020.04.13.png?dl=0 [28/12/2014, 12:43:44 PM] Alex Lifschitz: i guess that guy is followed by Rare Basement and Dudehugs [28/12/2014, 12:44:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do when you're doing battle with evil wizards- http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2qjrw0/fredrick_hotwheels_brennan_outs_himself_as_a/cn6rv1l [28/12/2014, 12:45:06 PM] David Gallant: Rare Basement? [28/12/2014, 12:45:15 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Weird Twitter royalty [28/12/2014, 12:45:20 PM] Athena Hollow: lol what idiots [28/12/2014, 12:45:25 PM] Dan Olson: The problem is Lawful Stupid. [28/12/2014, 12:45:32 PM] Dan Olson: and Mara Wilson is a boss [28/12/2014, 12:45:40 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: think you're a few topics behind there Dan [28/12/2014, 12:45:43 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I'm starting to kind of weirdly enjoy my mythology in Gamergate [28/12/2014, 12:45:43 PM] drinternetphd: lol [28/12/2014, 12:45:45 PM] Quinnae: Ah, I missed a good discussion about LG because I went to mix drinks! [28/12/2014, 12:45:50 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: heh [28/12/2014, 12:45:57 PM] Quinnae: throws nectarines at people [28/12/2014, 12:46:02 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I thought it was weird you weren't chiming in [28/12/2014, 12:46:04 PM] Dan Olson: I felt left out :-( [28/12/2014, 12:46:13 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: but yeah seriously [28/12/2014, 12:46:13 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 12:46:20 PM] Dan Olson: and I'm playing a Paladin in our next D&D game, so it's topical for m [28/12/2014, 12:46:33 PM] Athena Hollow: yeah, your mythology gets bigger & scarier every re-telling, Alex [28/12/2014, 12:46:35 PM] David Gallant: I wish I had a D&D group. [28/12/2014, 12:46:43 PM] Rob: I wish I had a RIFTS group [28/12/2014, 12:46:46 PM] Quinnae: What if we became a D&D group? [28/12/2014, 12:46:51 PM] Athena Hollow: Soon enough, your dad is going to be not only running guns, but also his own country with nukes. [28/12/2014, 12:46:51 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I've stopped correcting people because 1. I don't wanna drag my dad into this any further and 2. I am eagerly awaiting the day I encounter someone saying that about me in person [28/12/2014, 12:47:03 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I'm already GMing 2 nights a week so not it [28/12/2014, 12:47:22 PM] Dan Olson: but, yeah, I got to spend 8 hours in a car with Mara and it was awesome, also that's a lie, no one wishes they had a RIFTS group, because that would mean *playing* RIFTS and not just *thinking about playing* RIFTS [28/12/2014, 12:47:33 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 12:47:40 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I've had sooooo many conversations where people are going on and on about detect-smite-kill and reading the quotes from official alignment descriptions, noting that by Pathfinder's definitions, no, that's straight-up CE dude. [28/12/2014, 12:47:53 PM] David Gallant: LOL Dan. RIFTS was my first system that I never got to play more than once. [28/12/2014, 12:48:03 PM] Athena Hollow: 2nd ed ad&d for me [28/12/2014, 12:48:10 PM] David Gallant: Glitter Boys for life, FREE QUEBEC FOREVER [28/12/2014, 12:48:14 PM] Athena Hollow: lolol [28/12/2014, 12:48:20 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I... own more Rifts books than I care to publicly admit. [28/12/2014, 12:48:38 PM] Rob: I love rifts [28/12/2014, 12:48:43 PM] Dan Olson: the problems with RIFTS are basically as long as the books are. [28/12/2014, 12:48:45 PM] Rob: I've only played it for like 10 sessions though [28/12/2014, 12:49:02 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Here's how you make Rifts work: [28/12/2014, 12:49:09 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Don't set the campaign on Rifts Earth [28/12/2014, 12:49:17 PM] David Gallant: I think the ideas in RIFTS books are great but I don't think I'd ever "play" the system. [28/12/2014, 12:49:22 PM] Dan Olson: don't use the actual written rules of RIFTS [28/12/2014, 12:49:32 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: the rules are fine [28/12/2014, 12:49:32 PM] David Gallant: But then, as a GM I always played very loose with the rules. [28/12/2014, 12:49:38 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: well, SDC/MDC is wonky [28/12/2014, 12:49:40 PM] Rob: I played a pilot from the 'murica space station. Basically all the space stations and the Lunar base decided to send a team down to Earth to see what was up, so I was piloting a NEMA Silver Eagle SAMAS [28/12/2014, 12:49:41 PM] Dan Olson: The rules are busted. [28/12/2014, 12:49:50 PM] Rob: But our transport ship got splorted by a dragon so only a few of us lived. [28/12/2014, 12:49:52 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: worked great for Robotech, but, the scale change is important [28/12/2014, 12:50:03 PM] Rob: And we were running from the Coalition b/c they wanted to capture our NEMA gear and other stuff. [28/12/2014, 12:50:55 PM] David Gallant: SAMAS are coo, I guess. They're no Glitter Boys, though. [28/12/2014, 12:51:04 PM] Rob: Someone already was playing a glitter boy [28/12/2014, 12:51:17 PM] Dan Olson: SDC/MDC is broken. The combat round is terribly laid out, there's dozens of redundant systems, the classes are... well... I wouldn't even say "unbalanced" since "literal Hobo out of the 1930s" is right next to "sapient space station" [28/12/2014, 12:51:28 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 12:51:37 PM] David Gallant: Too true, Dan. [28/12/2014, 12:51:43 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I'll defend the class selection [28/12/2014, 12:52:07 PM] Dan Olson: the class selection can at least be made to work if everyone's on the same page as to the tone and scope of the campaign [28/12/2014, 12:52:09 PM] Rob: I like that they're blatant about the fact it's nto balanced [28/12/2014, 12:52:19 PM] David Gallant: Back when I was publishing a free d20 pdf magazine, I wrote a class called the "C-Aug Soldier" that was basically a d20 Juicer. [28/12/2014, 12:52:23 PM] Rob: D&D tries to claim the classes are balanced but they're really not. [28/12/2014, 12:52:32 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Intentionally tossing out PC options all over the power-scale is a cool thing to do, let's you run a campaign on any of those scales [28/12/2014, 12:53:14 PM] Dan Olson: but when you go "kay, everyone make a character!" you're going to end up with some dude with an SDC knife who's schtick is that he's got a pet dog next to a someone piloting a flying Howitzer. [28/12/2014, 12:53:36 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Right, but going "kay, everyone make a character!" is a terrible way to start any campaign [28/12/2014, 12:53:43 PM] Rob: but I can also make a Dog Boy named Sgt. McGruff, so there's that. [28/12/2014, 12:54:10 PM] David Gallant: Maybe not - as a GM, I can think of ways that every character gets to shine, even the dude with no hope in heavy combat. [28/12/2014, 12:54:21 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: it usually works out with D&D, because after 40 years, everyone has enough of a handle on how a typical D&D campaign plays out that they're just naturally on the same page [28/12/2014, 12:54:21 PM] David Gallant: It's all up to the GM. [28/12/2014, 12:54:56 PM] Dan Olson: which loops into a cultural flaw with TTRPGs in general, since almost all of them hold "you decide what you want to play" up as a sacred principle, and throw in "maybe talk about it as a group?" as a "helpful suggestion" [28/12/2014, 12:55:24 PM] Rob: Did anyone here ever play Conspiracy X? [28/12/2014, 12:55:26 PM] David Gallant: Not everyone at the table has that kind of experience, either. [28/12/2014, 12:55:30 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: otherwise though, you really need to go "OK, so here's the concept- you're all a bunch of lowly street urchins just scraping by in the slums north of Detroit, and towards the end of the first session, everything's going to go to hell in an invasion of insect people" [28/12/2014, 12:55:59 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ... and then get character pitches discussed openly to make sure everyone's on the same wavelength [28/12/2014, 12:57:12 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: this is largely why I'm a huge fan of a lot of weird indie RPGs, and a bit of a fan of Shadowrun and Eclipse Phase. It's very very important to establish a baseline for the actual game you're going to play. Way too many people just describe the setting as a whole and call it a day. [28/12/2014, 12:58:32 PM] Dan Olson: I love TTRPGs, but 90% of them are terrible, and the remainder are mediocre. It's an incredibly inbred and stale genre. [28/12/2014, 12:58:37 PM] SF: That Jezebel article has made more money than my entire gaming career. [28/12/2014, 12:59:20 PM] Dan Olson: Because the "core" players are conservative players in the worst kind of way [28/12/2014, 12:59:33 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: eh, there's also the new indie RPG scene [28/12/2014, 12:59:39 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: which... honestly also has some Issues [28/12/2014, 12:59:47 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: but they're different issues [28/12/2014, 12:59:55 PM] Dan Olson: and no one's willing to be radical about courting a different audience, or challenging core conceits [28/12/2014, 1:00:07 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: no no, that there's plenty of [28/12/2014, 1:00:32 PM] Dan Olson: Eh, Dungeon World and 13th Age are still pulling their punches, IMO. [28/12/2014, 1:00:41 PM] Dan Olson: but this is a subject that I probably get irrational about [28/12/2014, 1:01:08 PM] Tesseract: so what happened today [28/12/2014, 1:01:10 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I know tons of people who are exclusively into that flavor of game that puts so much emphasis on player-controlled-narative that they full on cross the line from roleplaying to collaborative story writing [28/12/2014, 1:01:18 PM] Tesseract: I'm hearing about hotwheels writing for daily stormer [28/12/2014, 1:01:21 PM] Athena Hollow: Milo said "Neo nazis are too far" [28/12/2014, 1:01:27 PM] Athena Hollow: Kuwikku was apparently banned from KiA [28/12/2014, 1:01:31 PM] Tesseract: oh noooooooooo [28/12/2014, 1:01:33 PM] Tesseract: why [28/12/2014, 1:01:34 PM] Athena Hollow: Zoe isn't banned from patreon [28/12/2014, 1:01:40 PM] Tesseract: THANK GOD [28/12/2014, 1:01:45 PM] Tesseract: BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY [28/12/2014, 1:01:51 PM] Randi Harper: >I am eagerly awaiting the day I encounter someone saying that about me in person See, I am terrified of that. [28/12/2014, 1:01:51 PM] Dan Olson: I do like Dogs in the Vineyard and Burning Wheel (though BW has many, many problems, and thus the Mouseguard variant is best.) [28/12/2014, 1:01:55 PM] Tesseract: WHY WOULD THOSE MONSTERS DO THIS TO KIWIKKU [28/12/2014, 1:02:01 PM] Athena Hollow: They're assholes. [28/12/2014, 1:02:32 PM] Athena Hollow: http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2q0412/a_message_to_gamergate/cn2186s [28/12/2014, 1:02:36 PM] Quinnae: Okay, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? https://twitter.com/locke742/status/549067098123939841 [28/12/2014, 1:02:51 PM] Quinnae: He will not stop messaging me and I'm getting this creepy vibe from him. [28/12/2014, 1:02:52 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: same thing as every GGer? [28/12/2014, 1:03:18 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: He's trying to parrot back what people have said to him and not getting the proper context of the words he's stringing together [28/12/2014, 1:03:35 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ... or possibly intentionally giving that impression to better get under your skin and waste your time [28/12/2014, 1:03:51 PM] Athena Hollow: lol i responded to his dumbass Katherine XD [28/12/2014, 1:04:00 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I'd have blocked him and moved on a while ago [28/12/2014, 1:04:12 PM] Dan Olson: That's super creepy [28/12/2014, 1:04:13 PM] Athena Hollow: I'll probably be blocking him too. [28/12/2014, 1:04:30 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: but anyway, seriously, here's how you make Rifts playable- [28/12/2014, 1:04:33 PM] Quinnae: Athena, you're my hero. And yeah, SGG, I agree. I just kept him unblocked because he was just creepy enough I felt I needed to see what he was saying in order to be careful. [28/12/2014, 1:04:41 PM] Quinnae: But I probably should just block him. [28/12/2014, 1:04:49 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: You don't use the default setting as the setting, you use it as the big threat [28/12/2014, 1:05:06 PM] SF: Does anyone else think Patreon not being a dick to Zoe redeems them? I'm still feeling like I'm morally opposed to using them myself (especially after pandachi's BS responses) but I'd be interested in counter-arguments. [28/12/2014, 1:05:38 PM] Randi Harper: holy crap [28/12/2014, 1:05:47 PM] Randi Harper: every time i mention my patreon i get more donations and it freaks me out. [28/12/2014, 1:05:51 PM] Athena Hollow: haha [28/12/2014, 1:05:52 PM] Randi Harper: i think i'm going to close it out after all of this is over. [28/12/2014, 1:06:09 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: start everyone off with some very tight race/class restrictions (or just full on use a different Palladium game), keep things nice and grounded, and make the whole thing about dealing with this portal opening up into the hellish chaotic kitchen sink that is Rifts Earth [28/12/2014, 1:06:27 PM] Athena Hollow: I think they are trying to be as calm as possible to avoid ddosing & harassment of their team. [28/12/2014, 1:06:32 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: could just re-donate cash to people who really need it? [28/12/2014, 1:07:03 PM] David Gallant: Pandachi's apology to Slade was disgusting. [28/12/2014, 1:07:05 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Personally though, I'm still real far removed from any thoughts of ever touching Patreon [28/12/2014, 1:07:33 PM] SF: Yeah not to mention him insisting 8chan had no CP. [28/12/2014, 1:07:44 PM] Randi Harper: people kept asking what they could do to help with ggab, so i was flailing and like "HERE PAY FOR THE BILLS" [28/12/2014, 1:07:45 PM] SF: Even when linked directly, he claimed the "child modelling" was fine. [28/12/2014, 1:07:46 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Tomorrow, they are theoretically doing something which still doesn't even reach the bare minimum of basic ethical behavior. [28/12/2014, 1:07:57 PM] David Gallant: Which sucks, because I JUST started using Patreon. I'm actually in a position where I need it. [28/12/2014, 1:08:00 PM] SF: And he talked to Cernovich about "gamergate versus SJWs" [28/12/2014, 1:08:04 PM] SF: His words [28/12/2014, 1:08:18 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah, we were looking into it to develop some smaller regular things for our system, like monster packs & class/race templates. But I think instead we're just gonna set up our own. [28/12/2014, 1:08:24 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Well, they're not the only game in town keep in mind [28/12/2014, 1:08:39 PM] SF: The thing is the others all have less strict rules. [28/12/2014, 1:08:43 PM] Athena Hollow: Yep. [28/12/2014, 1:08:48 PM] SF: And are probably therefore just as awful, they just haven't been tested. [28/12/2014, 1:08:49 PM] David Gallant: I don't know of the alternatives, to be honest. [28/12/2014, 1:09:14 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: What's the actual advantage Patreon has over just, direct donations via paypal/amazon/whatever? [28/12/2014, 1:09:23 PM] Athena Hollow: traffic. [28/12/2014, 1:09:30 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: not from what I hear? [28/12/2014, 1:09:35 PM] Athena Hollow: Same reason to use kickstarter as opposed to crowdsource your own. [28/12/2014, 1:09:36 PM] Randi Harper: i'm not sure if you can easily set up a small monthly donation over paypal/amazon? [28/12/2014, 1:09:42 PM] Randi Harper: what is my undead doing [28/12/2014, 1:09:43 PM] Athena Hollow: Yep. You can. [28/12/2014, 1:09:45 PM] SF: Automatic reward management. [28/12/2014, 1:09:46 PM] Randi Harper: is she.. holding her breath? [28/12/2014, 1:09:46 PM] David Gallant: Traffic and infrastructure. [28/12/2014, 1:09:48 PM] Randi Harper: she's undead [28/12/2014, 1:09:55 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 1:09:58 PM] SF: Familiar splash page, brand recognition. [28/12/2014, 1:10:09 PM] SF: Like how Kickstarters are almost a mark of quality now, as backward as that is. [28/12/2014, 1:10:19 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Kickstarter has a bunch of promotion built into it [28/12/2014, 1:10:33 PM] Athena Hollow: http://zombieorpheus.com/fanscription-tour/ Can definitely do it yourself :) [28/12/2014, 1:10:36 PM] Athena Hollow: but yeah. [28/12/2014, 1:10:36 PM] SF: Isn't that only if you're already kinda successful? [28/12/2014, 1:11:01 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Patreon... really doesn't, and has the sort of busted search where looking for Chloe Sagal's page gives you that nasty hit piece someone did on her [28/12/2014, 1:11:14 PM] Athena Hollow: I was thinking more from within the network itself. [28/12/2014, 1:11:22 PM] Athena Hollow: Like, people cross promoting - much like how kickstarter started. [28/12/2014, 1:11:29 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: so, all you really get from it is brand recognition which is... less and less of an upside lately [28/12/2014, 1:11:45 PM] Randi Harper: http://imgur.com/svOx0lX,5RZYyYm [28/12/2014, 1:11:59 PM] Randi Harper: she's holding her goddamn breath [28/12/2014, 1:12:10 PM] Athena Hollow: I mean, how our kickstarter hit it's tiny goal was the main person from Giant in the Playground mentioning us during his OOTS reprint KS. [28/12/2014, 1:12:15 PM] Randi Harper: o_O [28/12/2014, 1:12:20 PM] Athena Hollow: and LMAO [28/12/2014, 1:12:24 PM] Randi Harper: Athena, are you associated with zombie Orpheus? [28/12/2014, 1:12:41 PM] Athena Hollow: Sort of. [28/12/2014, 1:12:43 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: sure, but again, you can plug someone's personal page just as easily [28/12/2014, 1:12:55 PM] Athena Hollow: Friends w/ all of them, helped work on the last movie, wrote the Humans & Households quickstart :D [28/12/2014, 1:13:01 PM] Randi Harper: o_O [28/12/2014, 1:13:05 PM] David Gallant: Randi - I'm guessing it's a global animation trigger that they never thought to disable for undead. [28/12/2014, 1:13:06 PM] Randi Harper: HI LETS BE FRIENDS [28/12/2014, 1:13:08 PM] Athena Hollow: hahahahah [28/12/2014, 1:13:25 PM] Randi Harper: i went out after PAX with a bunch of the gamers actors [28/12/2014, 1:13:27 PM] Randi Harper: and it was amaze [28/12/2014, 1:13:32 PM] Athena Hollow: They are the best. [28/12/2014, 1:13:36 PM] Randi Harper: gamers: dorkness rising is one of my favorite movies of all times. [28/12/2014, 1:13:37 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: what's a global animation trigger/ [28/12/2014, 1:13:51 PM] Athena Hollow: Randi's undead holding it's breath in water. [28/12/2014, 1:14:02 PM] Randi Harper: sorrrrta made out with one of them but then he got all weird [28/12/2014, 1:14:03 PM] Randi Harper: so w/e [28/12/2014, 1:14:07 PM] Athena Hollow: But yeah, I only ever get to see them during Gen Con, so we spend a lot of time together. [28/12/2014, 1:14:08 PM] Athena Hollow: Christian? [28/12/2014, 1:14:19 PM] Randi Harper: hah. i'll never tell which. :P [28/12/2014, 1:14:20 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 1:14:25 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ah [28/12/2014, 1:14:36 PM] Athena Hollow: Well, it's relatively easy to discern since I know which ones are married and which ones arent LOL [28/12/2014, 1:14:42 PM] Athena Hollow: but yeah mums the word hahahaha [28/12/2014, 1:14:49 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: mechanically that's a thing though isn't it? They just hold their breath better than non-undead? [28/12/2014, 1:15:04 PM] Athena Hollow: Technically undead shouldn't breathe at all [28/12/2014, 1:15:22 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: yeah but apparently that'd be overpowered or something [28/12/2014, 1:15:23 PM] Randi Harper: undead don't breathe! [28/12/2014, 1:15:30 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: also then they couldn't talk [28/12/2014, 1:15:32 PM] Athena Hollow: But yes, Zoe are amazing people. The whole group of them <3 [28/12/2014, 1:15:36 PM] Randi Harper: they used to have a much longer underwater timer before drowning [28/12/2014, 1:15:38 PM] Dan Olson: It can't be a global trigger. They just spent months re-doing all the facial skeletons from scratch for each race [28/12/2014, 1:15:48 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I'm not sure which of the Gamers movies is my favorite [28/12/2014, 1:15:51 PM] Randi Harper: i participated in their kickstarter for gamers 3 :D [28/12/2014, 1:15:57 PM] Athena Hollow: I have to say the one I worked on is mine, but yeah LOLOL [28/12/2014, 1:16:00 PM] Randi Harper: and went to the screening in seattle [28/12/2014, 1:16:57 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: The first one I think has the best gags, second one is more of a proper movie, 3rd one is a bit lacking in humor, but it's a giant love letter to the L5R card game and I kinda really want a copy of the actual clone game they made with KS money [28/12/2014, 1:17:23 PM] Dan Olson: Odd question: does anyone know of any current reputable research, or even just ethnographic writing, on trans* demographics? [28/12/2014, 1:17:44 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: anything you're specifically looking for? [28/12/2014, 1:18:25 PM] Randi Harper: 1st one seemed harder to get into for people that didn't play RPGs. 2nd one was accessible to everyone. 3rd was more for con folk. [28/12/2014, 1:18:28 PM] Randi Harper: just diff audiences to me. [28/12/2014, 1:18:34 PM] Randi Harper: i did love some of the jokes in the 1st one though [28/12/2014, 1:18:38 PM] Randi Harper: backstab with a ballista. [28/12/2014, 1:18:40 PM] Dan Olson: transmale vs transfemale frequency [28/12/2014, 1:18:52 PM] Athena Hollow: We still run around yelling "THE SHAAAAADOWWWWWWW' [28/12/2014, 1:19:04 PM] David Gallant: Dread Gazebo... [28/12/2014, 1:19:10 PM] Dan Olson: frequency makes the term sound weird, too depersonalizing, I don't like it [28/12/2014, 1:19:18 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Pretty sure it's tricky to get hard data there [28/12/2014, 1:19:40 PM] Dan Olson: I figure as much. [28/12/2014, 1:19:57 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: It's a rarity to begin with, and then there's a lot of people REALLY committed to staying in the closet for fear of being murdered... [28/12/2014, 1:20:07 PM] Athena Hollow: http://youtu.be/ZNxJNpb590c?t=57s tee hee [28/12/2014, 1:20:18 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and the degree to which that fear is a factor is bound to skew across gender lines [28/12/2014, 1:20:18 PM] Athena Hollow: my only appearance LOL I worked mostly behind the scenes [28/12/2014, 1:20:26 PM] Peter Coffin: hello folks [28/12/2014, 1:20:36 PM] Athena Hollow: I did cosplay coordinating for extras and was random assistant lady lol [28/12/2014, 1:20:55 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ... and then there's the total lack of public awareness to the point where plenty of people are totally trans and aren't even aware that's what their deal is [28/12/2014, 1:21:01 PM] Dan Olson: I'm just... I find it curious that I've become aware of a lot of transwomen writers/creators/producers in the last few months, but only one transman. It makes me wonder if I'm just oblivious, or if there's other factors at play. [28/12/2014, 1:21:08 PM] Athena Hollow: I wasn't even gonna be in it, just behind the scenes, and then Matt told me I had to be because I was in my Jack costume LOL [28/12/2014, 1:21:34 PM] Athena Hollow: hi peter [28/12/2014, 1:21:54 PM] Peter Coffin: I would suggest part of it is that misogynistic people are probably more likely to be transmisogynistic and that has made more trans women more visible [28/12/2014, 1:21:55 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: well, when dealing with a lot of misogynists, women are more likely to speak up than men, so there's that [28/12/2014, 1:22:00 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: yeah [28/12/2014, 1:22:30 PM] Randi Harper: Athena, that's awesome :D [28/12/2014, 1:22:43 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I know someone was mentioning the other day that any major public event trying to get a lot of trans people together tends to be male dominated [28/12/2014, 1:23:14 PM] Peter Coffin: also if you had transitioned to male, wouldn't you rather not get dragged into something that ruined you for "actually being a woman" [28/12/2014, 1:23:37 PM] Peter Coffin: I can't imagine how they'd act towards trans men they identified [28/12/2014, 1:24:14 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ... and speaking purely annecdotaly, I meet a LOT more trans women than trans men, within the particular subcultural intersection of really being into RPGs and hanging around message boards and such, but again, that skews along gender lines anyway [28/12/2014, 1:24:34 PM] SF: Undead could breathe for pleasure. [28/12/2014, 1:25:23 PM] Randi Harper: i know 0 trans men [28/12/2014, 1:25:25 PM] SF: I'm trans and my encounters with trans men are also few and far between. [28/12/2014, 1:25:36 PM] SF: I know lots of trans women personally and no trans men. [28/12/2014, 1:25:36 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah I know lots of gender fluid people, but I honestly don't know of any trans men besides Buck Angel and I don't personally know them. >_> [28/12/2014, 1:25:37 PM] Randi Harper: but so many trans women, mostly from tech meetups. trans pretty much dominates woman in tech meetups lately. [28/12/2014, 1:26:05 PM] SF: Anyone saying slurs against trans men should try saying it to Buck Angel's face. [28/12/2014, 1:26:10 PM] SF: I wonder how long they'd keep it up. [28/12/2014, 1:26:11 PM] Athena Hollow: Right?! [28/12/2014, 1:26:31 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: But again, if you want hard numerical statistics, you really kind of need to first establish a society where people, generally, know what it means to be trans and are totally cool with it [28/12/2014, 1:26:42 PM] SF: It might be because starting as boys meant we got our foot in the door with tech. [28/12/2014, 1:26:55 PM] SF: Whereas men raised as young girls were probably discouraged from pursuing such careers on average. [28/12/2014, 1:27:40 PM] SF: And the tech circles is where most trans people are visible in general nowadays. [28/12/2014, 1:27:41 PM] Dan Olson: The two off-the-cuff theories in my head - anglo femininity is "broad enough" to encompass masculine non-conformity, due to the dominant position of masculinity in society, so more transmen don't feel the pressure to present quite as hard. [28/12/2014, 1:28:08 PM] SF: Also a good point. Like "tomboys" are already a common gender identity and that might mean less dysphoria is present. [28/12/2014, 1:28:14 PM] Athena Hollow: yup [28/12/2014, 1:28:29 PM] SF: I wonder sometimes if I'd be fine with being a "femboy" if that weren't significantly less acceptable than being a trans woman right now. [28/12/2014, 1:28:44 PM] Peter Coffin: whereas if you are even slightly feminine as a male you're mocked [28/12/2014, 1:28:45 PM] Randi Harper: tech culture is getting a little bit uncomfortable for a lot of people lately. i'm honestly kind of waiting for an implosion of some sort. [28/12/2014, 1:28:49 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: It's also POSSIBLE that trans men really are more rare, just because the weird crazy in-womb-hormone-imbalances responsible are more common in that direction [28/12/2014, 1:29:04 PM] SF: Yeah. I got shit all the time presenting as male before because I just couldn't be masculine no matter how hard I try. [28/12/2014, 1:29:08 PM] Randi Harper: based on conversations I've had, i think a lot of cis women that were already quiet and feeling out of place are going to retreat even more or leave the industry entirely. [28/12/2014, 1:29:10 PM] SF: On the plus side I pass without hormones, heh. [28/12/2014, 1:29:24 PM] Dan Olson: OR, sgg just beat me to it, transmen are literally just less common. [28/12/2014, 1:29:31 PM] Athena Hollow: Let's just all leave the bro industry and tell them to go fuck themselves and make our own LOL [28/12/2014, 1:29:37 PM] Athena Hollow: god if it were only that fucking easy -_- [28/12/2014, 1:29:41 PM] Peter Coffin: I'm not particularly masculine other than the fact I grow facial hair ridiculously [28/12/2014, 1:29:42 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: don't have any data at all on that one way or the other though [28/12/2014, 1:29:55 PM] SF: I grow less hair than cis women. [28/12/2014, 1:29:58 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I probably have you beat on that front [28/12/2014, 1:30:09 PM] Peter Coffin: I get shit on a lot. I can't imagine someone entirely not masculine [28/12/2014, 1:30:14 PM] Peter Coffin: who is presenting as male [28/12/2014, 1:30:18 PM] Peter Coffin: the shit they would get [28/12/2014, 1:30:22 PM] Peter Coffin: people are assholes [28/12/2014, 1:30:32 PM] Athena Hollow: I hate you all. I get all Chewbacca from the waist down (minus my ass LOL) [28/12/2014, 1:30:39 PM] Athena Hollow: after like 3 days of not shaving. [28/12/2014, 1:30:46 PM] SF: It wasn't easily especially given my voice is fairly passable when I loosen up. Before I had to force it down really hard and it made me hoarse all the time. [28/12/2014, 1:30:50 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I mean, I'm obviously not bragging, but I kinda can't not have a beard [28/12/2014, 1:30:56 PM] SF: I was in my mid 20s sounding like a 13 year old trying to sound older. [28/12/2014, 1:31:25 PM] Peter Coffin: oh I am hairy as hell. just kind of limp in movement, people hate it [28/12/2014, 1:31:30 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: takes other people like 2 weeks if not a month to get what I do in a day [28/12/2014, 1:31:32 PM] SF: It raises interesting questions as to whether my resulting dysphoria was in fact genetic, or learned. [28/12/2014, 1:32:21 PM] Peter Coffin: what is your theory [28/12/2014, 1:33:05 PM] SF: No one's asked me that, hmm... [28/12/2014, 1:33:36 PM] Peter Coffin: who better to ask? [28/12/2014, 1:33:46 PM] SF: I guess I've had it as long as I can remember, but I've also had judgement for my non-masculine mannerisms even from a young age (parents), so I don't think I can meaningfully say which it's more likely to be. [28/12/2014, 1:33:47 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: which is actually, weirdly, a big part of how I worked out the whole trans bit. Oh hey, it makes sense that I've got all this super hardcore tertiary manliness going on but not so much the primary if the starting point was girl" [28/12/2014, 1:34:21 PM] Dan Olson: I know I've heard several people suggest that "trans" isn't "real" in the sense that they present it as a conflict between internality and society, and that if the societal conflict didn't exist, if gender presentation were fluid enough, then the dysphoria wouldn't present. [28/12/2014, 1:34:44 PM] Dan Olson: I'm not sure if I'd go with that whole hog, though, simply because some people feel a deep dysphoria with their physical bodies [28/12/2014, 1:35:44 PM] Randi Harper: http://imgur.com/gallery/f1DFI [28/12/2014, 1:35:45 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: well, that's also working off a flawed understanding of the whole thing too [28/12/2014, 1:36:35 PM] Dan Olson: hahaha, Randi, this is hilarious [28/12/2014, 1:36:42 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 1:36:47 PM] Dan Olson: and, yes SGG, no doubt. [28/12/2014, 1:37:18 PM] Dan Olson: I'll straight up admit a lot of ignorance of the nuances. [28/12/2014, 1:37:20 PM] Peter Coffin: that is hilarious [28/12/2014, 1:38:02 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I have decided to branch out into writing childrens' books http://pastebin.com/EyFdpp8j [28/12/2014, 1:38:18 PM] SF: The definition of "transgender" is getting increasingly blurry. Even a lot of trans people get it wrong in that it means "identifies as a gender other than the one assigned at birth" at its most literal, it doesn't mean "presentation and junk don't match". [28/12/2014, 1:38:27 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL Oh god Alex. [28/12/2014, 1:38:48 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I'm thinking of tweeting it all just to shit up peoples' timelines lol [28/12/2014, 1:38:57 PM] Athena Hollow: hahahhahahaha [28/12/2014, 1:39:06 PM] Dan Olson: Right, and what I was writing was still predicated on a binary in a lot of ways. [28/12/2014, 1:40:13 PM] SF: My reasoning is that assuming the binary still makes sense right now since 99% of society operates on it. [28/12/2014, 1:40:35 PM] SF: Shaping language around ideals rather than practical use doesn't communicate meaningful ideas, in my opinion. [28/12/2014, 1:40:59 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: On a certain level, what it really comes down to is just [28/12/2014, 1:41:12 PM] SF: Though society is hypocritical in some regards, like how aforementioned tomboys are accepted as just a different kind of girl. [28/12/2014, 1:41:13 PM] Peter Coffin: I liked that alex, I find simplifying things like that is often the most gratifying way of expressing it [28/12/2014, 1:41:36 PM] Peter Coffin: it was certainly gratifying to read [28/12/2014, 1:42:06 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Hey, look at this movie/show/book which somehow manages to have equally well-written men and women in it all doing super cool stuff. Which characters do you find yourself identifying with the most? [28/12/2014, 1:42:50 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: or, more practically, hey, we're playing RPGs over IRC. Which gender are most of your characters generally pulling? [28/12/2014, 1:42:57 PM] SF: I love that book Alex. [28/12/2014, 1:43:08 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Alright imma shit up some timelines [28/12/2014, 1:43:26 PM] Dan Olson: Randi: I agree with Catduck, wtf is that crap? They literally re-wrote the functionality of the link tag as a list item. WTF. [28/12/2014, 1:43:28 PM] Athena Hollow: haha [28/12/2014, 1:43:39 PM] SF: Oh I'm all for games having gender sliders rather than radio buttons. It makes sense aesthetically to me even without intended politics. [28/12/2014, 1:43:49 PM] Randi Harper: i'm not a webdev. i just RT smart people so i can look smart too. [28/12/2014, 1:43:55 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: or, "Hey, this couple is having a nasty breakup, who did you instinctively side with before the facts came out?" [28/12/2014, 1:43:55 PM] Athena Hollow: hahahaha [28/12/2014, 1:44:29 PM] Randi Harper: i remember a decade ago trying to figure out CSS and noping the fuck out of that [28/12/2014, 1:44:30 PM] SF: Or perhaps a gender triangle. Left and right extremes are masculine and feminine, centre is hermaphroditic, apex is androgynous. [28/12/2014, 1:44:30 PM] Remy: I like sfwolf's gender slider idea [28/12/2014, 1:44:47 PM] Remy: I was gonna suggest that [28/12/2014, 1:44:48 PM] SF: Each extreme could be defined by morph targets without too much technical trouble. [28/12/2014, 1:45:14 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: there's often horrible body image issues in there too, but, those aren't necessarily tied in with being trans [28/12/2014, 1:45:32 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: also intersexed, not hermaphroditic. [28/12/2014, 1:45:58 PM] SF: Doesn't intersexed mean something else? [28/12/2014, 1:46:03 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: yes [28/12/2014, 1:46:16 PM] SF: That is, I meant a word expressing "has both masculine and feminine characteristics" rather than neither. [28/12/2014, 1:46:36 PM] SF: I thought intersex meant a selective mix of the two (or ambiguous external genitals). [28/12/2014, 1:46:37 PM] Dan Olson: Basically the dimensions would be sex (x) and severity (y) [28/12/2014, 1:46:42 PM] Dan Olson: ( y ) [28/12/2014, 1:46:49 PM] SF: Well put. [28/12/2014, 1:46:54 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: hermaphroditic is a species wide thing [28/12/2014, 1:46:57 PM] Dan Olson: because apparently (y) is a thumbs up in Skype [28/12/2014, 1:46:59 PM] Tesseract: one of my friends thought she was a boy as a kid but changed her mind as a teenager [28/12/2014, 1:47:18 PM] SF: How do you know if you don't try? [28/12/2014, 1:47:55 PM] SF: Kinda weird in that regard how it's seen as an insult to one's heterosexual identity if a man tries something with another man, for example. [28/12/2014, 1:48:08 PM] SF: Aren't you like, way more definitively hetero if you try an alternative and turn out not to like it? [28/12/2014, 1:48:47 PM] Peter Coffin: I would think so [28/12/2014, 1:49:05 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah that's always been my argument against dudebro-hetero. Like, I get it if you aren't attracted to other guys or whatever, but to get all offended about it is just dumb & seems rather defensive. [28/12/2014, 1:49:12 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: well, you could just legitimately not see the appeal [28/12/2014, 1:49:25 PM] SF: Oh for sure, I don't mean to say anyone HAS to try everything. [28/12/2014, 1:49:34 PM] Dan Olson: I'd almost make it a full field rather than a triangle, since a full field would let you have stereotypicality (i.e. mesomorph males) at the most extreme, while moving towards ectomorph at the other end without neccissarily going towards androgyny. [28/12/2014, 1:49:40 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: but all those "homosexuality is a choice" types who get all prickily about it clearly DO see the appeal [28/12/2014, 1:50:12 PM] Athena Hollow: "Homosexuality is a choice!" "Well, then, isn't heterosexuality a choice as well?" [28/12/2014, 1:50:13 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 1:50:16 PM] Dan Olson: since I'm kinda femme in body shape, but I have a beard of legends [28/12/2014, 1:50:18 PM] SF: I like that idea Dan. [28/12/2014, 1:50:23 PM] Peter Coffin: "Uhh" [28/12/2014, 1:50:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: seriously [28/12/2014, 1:50:43 PM] Remy: One of my high school friends tried out living as a boy to see if she wanted to have gender re-alignment. Decided it wasn't for her. I sometimes wonder if it was b/c it wasn't her or if she decided the social stigma and abuse and drama and baggage wasn't worth it [28/12/2014, 1:50:53 PM] SF: I have so many OPINIONS on this but I need to go for dinner right now so please continue talking about this subject for at least 1 more hour. [28/12/2014, 1:50:57 PM] Athena Hollow: :) [28/12/2014, 1:51:09 PM] Remy: Lol I just remembered [28/12/2014, 1:51:14 PM] Dan Olson: ALRIGHT, MASS EFFECT OTPS, GO! [28/12/2014, 1:51:19 PM] Remy: We used to spend the summers practicing making out lol [28/12/2014, 1:51:25 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: personally, I don't think I'd ever go the surgery route [28/12/2014, 1:51:37 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: just because surgery is really really scary and dangerous [28/12/2014, 1:51:38 PM] Athena Hollow: I have some friends who have, and others who haven't. [28/12/2014, 1:51:40 PM] Remy: Childhood is a grab bag of crazy memories [28/12/2014, 1:51:52 PM] Athena Hollow: But if you ever decide to, I can get you the names of some amazing doctors LOL [28/12/2014, 1:52:57 PM] Athena Hollow: ughhhhhhhhh this shit is making my ears hurt now :( [28/12/2014, 1:53:06 PM] Athena Hollow: fucking hate getting sick. [28/12/2014, 1:53:16 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: plus, 6 month recovery period, and I'm asexual so, eh, nobody's business what's going on down there [28/12/2014, 1:53:25 PM] Remy: Yay sinus infections [28/12/2014, 1:53:43 PM] Athena Hollow: mine sadly started in my chest so I'm worried it's bronchitis -_- [28/12/2014, 1:53:46 PM] Tesseract: what's with the title [28/12/2014, 1:53:47 PM] Ian Cheong: Out with my family now [28/12/2014, 1:53:55 PM] Athena Hollow: lol zoe randomly changed it earlier [28/12/2014, 1:54:25 PM] Peter Coffin: I'd be afraid of even routine surgery. I don't blame anyone for being agreed of any surgery. Shit is scary [28/12/2014, 1:54:34 PM] Ian Cheong: I’m not big on hugs. [28/12/2014, 1:54:37 PM] Athena Hollow: haha [28/12/2014, 2:07:10 PM] Dina : Dina hugs Ian carefully [28/12/2014, 2:08:29 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 2:08:52 PM] Athena Hollow: Dinaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... you should come baby me because I'm sick. [28/12/2014, 2:12:00 PM] Dina : ok ;D [28/12/2014, 2:12:30 PM] Athena Hollow: yay! [28/12/2014, 2:12:45 PM] Ian Cheong: Aww thanks [28/12/2014, 2:12:57 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Dan I would kill for your beard [28/12/2014, 2:13:18 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Best I can do after like two months without shaving is patchy trailer park steez [28/12/2014, 2:13:31 PM] Dina : alex just wants to kill lets be honest [28/12/2014, 2:13:32 PM] Athena Hollow: lol my husband's also grows in "all white trashy like" [28/12/2014, 2:14:57 PM] Athena Hollow: alex: has anyone volunteered to storify that yet? [28/12/2014, 2:15:57 PM] Alex Lifschitz: lol nope [28/12/2014, 2:16:02 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Go crazy [28/12/2014, 2:16:37 PM] Ian Cheong: Another plane crashed in my region [28/12/2014, 2:16:46 PM] Ian Cheong: 160 onboard [28/12/2014, 2:17:04 PM] Ian Cheong: Shitty year for aviation [28/12/2014, 2:17:08 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: yes [28/12/2014, 2:17:09 PM] Athena Hollow: dammit. it fucks up the formatting for the last one LOL [28/12/2014, 2:17:11 PM] Athena Hollow: and damn. [28/12/2014, 2:17:32 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and are you now storifying Alex's lousy beard growth? [28/12/2014, 2:17:46 PM] Athena Hollow: nm it fixed it [28/12/2014, 2:18:27 PM] Athena Hollow: https://storify.com/athenahollow/the-corporations-that-loved-so-much [28/12/2014, 2:18:55 PM] Ian Cheong: What's this [28/12/2014, 2:19:06 PM] Athena Hollow: lol it's the children's story Alex wrote. [28/12/2014, 2:21:56 PM] Ian Cheong: Wow. That was great and greatly depressing [28/12/2014, 2:22:03 PM] Athena Hollow: heh [28/12/2014, 2:22:05 PM] Athena Hollow: yup [28/12/2014, 2:22:23 PM] Alex Lifschitz: srsly the last stage of this is gonna get industry to grow some fuckin' eggs and step up [28/12/2014, 2:22:32 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: except of course it depends on this fantasy of GGers paying for games [28/12/2014, 2:24:26 PM] Alex Lifschitz: yep [28/12/2014, 2:24:57 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I keep saying, like, look, how fucking toothless do we have to prove these people are on a fiscal level before you're pull your head out of the sand [28/12/2014, 2:25:26 PM] Alex Lifschitz: This whole thing is them literally putting their consumer identity before basic morality, you think they're really gonna follow through on a fucking boycott? [28/12/2014, 2:25:41 PM] Athena Hollow: points to COD boycott [28/12/2014, 2:25:43 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 2:25:53 PM] Ian Cheong: Exactly [28/12/2014, 2:25:55 PM] Tesseract: they literally refuse to target AAAs no matter what because they know it wouldn't do fucking anything [28/12/2014, 2:26:06 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: my point is more "you think these are existing customers?" [28/12/2014, 2:26:12 PM] Athena Hollow: and even if they DID, even if they were literally 200k people, that's still less than 1% of gamers [28/12/2014, 2:26:37 PM] Alex Lifschitz: When they boycotted my studio they were seriously asking what the studio made before claiming they'd cancel their preorders lol [28/12/2014, 2:26:39 PM] Athena Hollow: (though we're all aware it's closer to maybe 1000 at this point - at best estimates - that are actually maybe gamers. [28/12/2014, 2:26:41 PM] Ian Cheong: They're tortillas and the fact more journalists don't speak up about it is really pathetic [28/12/2014, 2:26:50 PM] Ian Cheong: Toothless [28/12/2014, 2:26:53 PM] Athena Hollow: hahahaha [28/12/2014, 2:26:57 PM] Alex Lifschitz: hehehe [28/12/2014, 2:27:00 PM] Tesseract: AAAs could just piss all over them and gg would still buy their games. AAAs already piss all over them and gg still buys their games. [28/12/2014, 2:27:08 PM] Athena Hollow: yup [28/12/2014, 2:27:14 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: the people who split their time between looking at child porn and mass mailing you via proxies PROBABLY pirate any games they actually play. [28/12/2014, 2:27:17 PM] Alex Lifschitz: You have to think of it like Pikmin. [28/12/2014, 2:27:23 PM] Athena Hollow: And, even if they did, they seriously wouldn't hurt the bottom line [28/12/2014, 2:27:32 PM] Athena Hollow: AND if they ostracize these fucks, they'll win over MORE people! [28/12/2014, 2:27:46 PM] Athena Hollow: Less toxic assholes on multiplayer games? Sign me right the fuck up. [28/12/2014, 2:28:16 PM] Alex Lifschitz: We're fucking broke and doing the things that billion dollar publishers are pissing their pants over [28/12/2014, 2:28:18 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Pathetic [28/12/2014, 2:28:37 PM] Athena Hollow: and yeah, they were already saying they'll just "procure" games from devs they don't like: https://archive.today/qfLnM [28/12/2014, 2:28:55 PM] Ian Cheong: Valve remains quiet over their shitty community [28/12/2014, 2:29:03 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: well, LoL has also been around longer than DotA2 and doesn't have such a terrible interface [28/12/2014, 2:29:41 PM] Tesseract: why are gamer communities so invariably shit [28/12/2014, 2:29:52 PM] Tesseract: what is it about talking about video games that brings out the shittiest in people [28/12/2014, 2:30:14 PM] Athena Hollow: most of them are children? [28/12/2014, 2:30:15 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: leaderboards. [28/12/2014, 2:30:18 PM] Athena Hollow: ugh god. [28/12/2014, 2:30:31 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: achievements [28/12/2014, 2:30:42 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: there are toxic people but it isn't as common as it SEEMS like. in LoL for example, it takes 1 out of 10 people to be a complete ass and it makes you walk away from the game having a horrible experience [28/12/2014, 2:31:00 PM] Athena Hollow: I mean, I like achievement hunting - a lot - but not because I want to use it to show off. I do it because "Hey, here's extra ways for me to really enjoy this game!" [28/12/2014, 2:31:07 PM] Athena Hollow: mini-goals, if you will. [28/12/2014, 2:31:33 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: on this subject by the way, one of the many things I'm REALLY digging about HotS is that all experience is team-split [28/12/2014, 2:32:10 PM] Tesseract: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/481281587/cheevos-the-movie-bboy360-reaching-100k-gamerscore CHEEVOS [28/12/2014, 2:32:15 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: if someone keeps feeding kills, EVERYONE winds up down a level or 2, so the would-be A-holes seem to be too busy trying to recover to start yelling [28/12/2014, 2:32:58 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: although the defeatist A-holes who totally try and pin their failings on everyone else are still an issue [28/12/2014, 2:33:03 PM] Athena Hollow: Assholes are why I avoided wow for so long, and why I don't play on pvp servers. [28/12/2014, 2:33:30 PM] Athena Hollow: Even knowing they were typically in the minority, there was just enough interaction for me to fucking hate them. [28/12/2014, 2:33:31 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I kinda just hate competition in all forms, really [28/12/2014, 2:33:49 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 2:33:52 PM] Dina : xD [28/12/2014, 2:34:04 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I play a ton of RPGs, where everyone works together towards a common goal [28/12/2014, 2:34:15 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah, I'm much more partial to co-op games. [28/12/2014, 2:34:26 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I've really been digging the hell out of Sentinels of the Multiverse for a card game fix [28/12/2014, 2:34:44 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: same deal there [28/12/2014, 2:35:31 PM] Ian Cheong: I wish more games had coop [28/12/2014, 2:35:52 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: my game I'm using as insulation because I suck at self-promotion is technically competetive, but it's so darn asymetrical and goofy I don't see anyone ever getting into a tournament mindset over it [28/12/2014, 2:35:55 PM] Remy: I also wish coop was more popular with both players and developers [28/12/2014, 2:36:12 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: coop tends to go into videogames in the worst ways though [28/12/2014, 2:36:29 PM] Athena Hollow: I think that's why I like MMOs so much, at least those that don't have persistent pvp. [28/12/2014, 2:36:40 PM] Athena Hollow: Because I can avoid the pvp and play coop with friends. [28/12/2014, 2:36:53 PM] Remy: Unrelated, but I hope one day to try starting up a video game studio, but a coop instead of a corporation? [28/12/2014, 2:36:54 PM] Athena Hollow: But beyond that, it's rare. [28/12/2014, 2:36:54 PM] Dina : yeah fuck pvp [28/12/2014, 2:36:57 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: eh, there's a lot of weird social pressure there [28/12/2014, 2:37:09 PM] Dan Olson: cheeeeeeeevooos [28/12/2014, 2:37:12 PM] Dina : social pressure in MMOs? [28/12/2014, 2:37:13 PM] Athena Hollow: I play with my husband, so it's not so weird :) [28/12/2014, 2:37:17 PM] Remy: I think it could help prevent the unfair work practices showing at Aaa studios [28/12/2014, 2:37:22 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I can't name a lot of MMOs where it really works out if you play 20 hours a week and your friend plays 2 [28/12/2014, 2:37:26 PM] Dan Olson: we were talking aobut that... I won't say last night, since it was 5am this morning... [28/12/2014, 2:37:27 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Man, hard rain gonna fall on ol' Ralph one of these days. [28/12/2014, 2:37:31 PM] Dan Olson: Stephen [28/12/2014, 2:37:35 PM] Athena Hollow: CoH was really good about that. [28/12/2014, 2:37:37 PM] Athena Hollow: I miss it :-/ [28/12/2014, 2:37:41 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Anyone know if it's in poor taste to be consulting with multiple libel lawyers at once? [28/12/2014, 2:37:42 PM] Dina : Alex it can't come soon enough tbh [28/12/2014, 2:37:46 PM] Ian Cheong: Fucking Ralph [28/12/2014, 2:37:49 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: CoH is one of the exceptions, yes [28/12/2014, 2:37:55 PM] Dina : Ralph is a piece of shit [28/12/2014, 2:37:55 PM] Athena Hollow: I would say do the same w/ Doctors. [28/12/2014, 2:37:59 PM] Ian Cheong: I think he’s a scumbag [28/12/2014, 2:38:00 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Star Wars Galaxies was also pretty cool like that [28/12/2014, 2:38:05 PM] Dina : same, Ian [28/12/2014, 2:38:07 PM] Dan Olson: Alex: no - it's basically expected in Law [28/12/2014, 2:38:10 PM] Alex Lifschitz: We have one looking into a bunch of stuff right now, but I wanna chase down another. [28/12/2014, 2:38:17 PM] Alex Lifschitz: As soon as the holidays let up. [28/12/2014, 2:38:24 PM] Dina : polylawyery [28/12/2014, 2:38:28 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: since it wasnt really about linear progression, just sort of, crawling around between different levels of specialization in different skills [28/12/2014, 2:38:36 PM] Athena Hollow: Apparently GuildWars 2 has that kind of thing too. [28/12/2014, 2:38:42 PM] Athena Hollow: the level scaling. [28/12/2014, 2:38:51 PM] Dan Olson: GW2 is odd, due to the level scaling. [28/12/2014, 2:38:56 PM] Dan Olson: and some other design choices [28/12/2014, 2:39:03 PM] Dina : FF14 is my personal favorite because it manages experience really well [28/12/2014, 2:39:11 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: so like, hey, you wanna kill people all day, cool, I'm really just here to socialize, but when your fatigue meter maxes out, just swing by this bar where I'm playing gigs and we can talk [28/12/2014, 2:39:13 PM] Ian Cheong: Driving back home now [28/12/2014, 2:39:14 PM] Dan Olson: every now and then I get into a kick and sink another 30+ hours into it [28/12/2014, 2:39:18 PM] Dina : so it helps if you can't play as much as your friends [28/12/2014, 2:39:43 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: yeah, but FF14 also has subscription fees [28/12/2014, 2:39:51 PM] Remy: My husband and I tried to get back into FF14 when we both got our PS4s [28/12/2014, 2:39:54 PM] Remy: But it just won't hold our interest [28/12/2014, 2:39:55 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and requires like, non-pathetic hardware [28/12/2014, 2:39:56 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: alex: would be shocked if consulting with multiple people is considered in bad taste. you're kind of expected to get multiple opinions for serious issues [28/12/2014, 2:39:58 PM] Remy: Just feels so stale and grindy [28/12/2014, 2:40:16 PM] Remy: And honestly I always feel so trapped in MMO's when you always end up bottlenecked into DPS/Tank/heal [28/12/2014, 2:40:20 PM] Dina : true, SGG [28/12/2014, 2:40:23 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Gonna give the second one a ring once January settles in. [28/12/2014, 2:40:25 PM] Remy: so fucking stale [28/12/2014, 2:40:28 PM] Athena Hollow: I really like SWTOR because I can play it all solo >_> [28/12/2014, 2:40:29 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 2:40:40 PM] Dina : aw I love grinding [28/12/2014, 2:40:42 PM] Remy: Like if I could get away with it I would make DPS/Tank/Heal illegal to say both as a player or as a developer [28/12/2014, 2:40:47 PM] Dina : I guess that's the difference lol [28/12/2014, 2:40:55 PM] Athena Hollow: that was one of the things I liked about Archeage. [28/12/2014, 2:40:57 PM] Tesseract: ralph is probably entirely unprepared for anything legal and would crumble at the first sign of a lawsuit [28/12/2014, 2:40:59 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Y'know, looking at all this Hotwheels stuff, I have a lot of shower arguments with myself over how to tackle it if, like, it ever came time to go on-the-record about stuff. [28/12/2014, 2:41:01 PM] Dina : and I am a happy Tank lol [28/12/2014, 2:41:04 PM] Athena Hollow: It had so many different builds and so many different ways of handling things. [28/12/2014, 2:41:15 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I don't dislike grinding, but I need an endgame [28/12/2014, 2:41:15 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: what is ralph looking at legal issues over? i missed this [28/12/2014, 2:41:27 PM] Remy: same. [28/12/2014, 2:41:32 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Like, I will play DQ1 [28/12/2014, 2:41:33 PM] Alex Lifschitz: If anyone ever asked me what I thought of him, I'd have to be sure to clarify that I'm only speaking in terms of what they've said. Some people, you just never know how the world may have failed them. [28/12/2014, 2:42:02 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: DQ1 is this neat little puzzle where I'm trying to work out how to waste the least amount of time hitting the point where I can go kill the dragon lord [28/12/2014, 2:42:04 PM] Remy: A lot of us have been failed by the world [28/12/2014, 2:42:05 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Sarah, RE: Ralph, he's a piece of shit and I also probably have a strong libel case against him but being litigious isn't usually the best answer. Just investigating options. [28/12/2014, 2:42:24 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and then I do, and head back to the castle, and people are all woo, have some end credits [28/12/2014, 2:42:33 PM] Alex Lifschitz: All he cares about is his little spate of GG infamy, the only devastating thing to him would be to lose that. [28/12/2014, 2:42:43 PM] Athena Hollow: So gag order? [28/12/2014, 2:42:44 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: MMOs though, you just grind here so you can go grind over there, forever [28/12/2014, 2:42:44 PM] SF: GW2 also has no "holy trinity". I really like it for that reason. [28/12/2014, 2:42:46 PM] Athena Hollow: that'd be hilarious. [28/12/2014, 2:42:52 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Hell no. Take him to the cleaners. [28/12/2014, 2:42:57 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Pay for my fucking boat. [28/12/2014, 2:42:59 PM] Remy: Alex I'd like you to consider the possibility that providing tangible real-word consequences for his actions may not only benefit Ralph but also many other people who need to see that example [28/12/2014, 2:42:59 PM] Athena Hollow: hahahahaha [28/12/2014, 2:43:17 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: being litigeous is the only answer with GG in my book [28/12/2014, 2:43:22 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I mean, we're absolutely chasing it down and I'm absolutely pulling the trigger if I have a slam-dunk case. [28/12/2014, 2:43:32 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah, they really need to get it into their heads that online is the same as offline. [28/12/2014, 2:43:35 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: start suing and arresting people and suddenly the hordes get scared [28/12/2014, 2:43:36 PM] Remy: When it comes down to it I feel like that's more important even than the money or even than the justice of having him see consequences for hurting you and your family [28/12/2014, 2:43:40 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: are we allowed to know what he said this is about? or would you rather not say [28/12/2014, 2:43:41 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and then maybe quit being terrible [28/12/2014, 2:43:43 PM] Athena Hollow: And the only way to prove that is to hold them accountable for the things they say. [28/12/2014, 2:43:50 PM] Remy: By starting the trend of showing public consequences it could help stem the tide of abuse [28/12/2014, 2:43:57 PM] Tesseract: articles on theralphretort are like 3 paragraphs long lol [28/12/2014, 2:44:06 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i wish bri would sue nero ;-;; [28/12/2014, 2:44:07 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Just looking into him. He wrote some patently false shit about me and I'm still looking for a job so I can prove damages. [28/12/2014, 2:44:13 PM] Tesseract: dude's like icer in that he's only popular because of a huge follower count he has for some baffling reason [28/12/2014, 2:44:41 PM] Remy: Heh ^_^" yeah I was kinda going full steam but those are my two cents if you ever have the means motive and opportunity to sue him or anyone else who has participated in this [28/12/2014, 2:44:53 PM] Tesseract: end him at the first opportunity [28/12/2014, 2:45:02 PM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 2:45:08 PM] Athena Hollow: I hate that you have to prove damages for those kinds of cases. [28/12/2014, 2:45:13 PM] Remy: I'm with Tess on this [28/12/2014, 2:45:20 PM] Athena Hollow: People shouldn't be legally allowed to just lie out their asses. [28/12/2014, 2:45:31 PM] Remy: I'm not even bloodthirsty I just wanna see heads roll so everyone else knows how f*cking crazy they're being [28/12/2014, 2:45:32 PM] Athena Hollow: That's not protected fucking speech. It's goddamn bold faced lies. [28/12/2014, 2:45:35 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Yeah, bringing the heavy legal rain down is one of my three pillars for finally snuffing out GG. [28/12/2014, 2:46:01 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ooh, what are the other two? [28/12/2014, 2:46:08 PM] Dina : I would sue the shit out of IA, MundaneDolt, RalphRetort and a series of backers if I was in the USA [28/12/2014, 2:46:14 PM] SF: Is there a way we could be helping on those more tangible fronts? I still feel so impotent in this. [28/12/2014, 2:46:21 PM] Dina : for a year of fucking hell [28/12/2014, 2:46:23 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Bringing down their breeding grounds (8chan et al) and finally getting corporations to take a stand. [28/12/2014, 2:46:29 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: series of backers eh? [28/12/2014, 2:46:41 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: UK libel laws are amazing compared to the US, alex. if nero's ever libeled you or zoe you should totally look into that [28/12/2014, 2:46:45 PM] Tesseract: personally I'm planning on going after their twitter e-celebs [28/12/2014, 2:46:51 PM] SF: Problem is if the corps take a stand it's only because they know it's what we want to hear anyway. [28/12/2014, 2:46:55 PM] Remy: Butts: They have [28/12/2014, 2:46:56 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: it's so bad they're trying to legislate change. "libel tourism" is a thing [28/12/2014, 2:46:58 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Yeah, that's the second part. Litigating is a factor. [28/12/2014, 2:46:59 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ah [28/12/2014, 2:47:09 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: yeah, that 3rd pillar seems pretty tricky [28/12/2014, 2:47:18 PM] Alex Lifschitz: But it also takes years, and every day they're around and have a following is another day people in industry get marginalized. [28/12/2014, 2:47:21 PM] Remy: And honestly for someone like Nero [28/12/2014, 2:47:29 PM] Remy: Whose money is made on manufactured BS [28/12/2014, 2:47:34 PM] Remy: Take him for ever goddam penny [28/12/2014, 2:47:36 PM] Remy: Or pence [28/12/2014, 2:47:38 PM] Remy: whatever [28/12/2014, 2:47:43 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I'm not worried about Nero. If he publishes his book and it mentions Zoe at all, he's fucked on UK libel laws. [28/12/2014, 2:48:04 PM] Tesseract: that fucking book, how many copies does he expect to sell [28/12/2014, 2:48:06 PM] Alex Lifschitz: And her agents will probably be the first to take up sabers on that front. They do not fuck around. [28/12/2014, 2:48:07 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: pretty sure he is already, several times over, regardless [28/12/2014, 2:48:07 PM] Tesseract: five? ten? [28/12/2014, 2:48:16 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ... did anyone ever invite @knifehorse in here? [28/12/2014, 2:48:19 PM] Tesseract: who? [28/12/2014, 2:48:28 PM] Remy: dunno who that is [28/12/2014, 2:48:35 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: http://cathodedebris.tumblr.com/post/96623884813/first-uses-of-the-gamergate-and-notyourshield [28/12/2014, 2:48:40 PM] Remy: sounds like a badass pokemon tho [28/12/2014, 2:48:49 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: http://cathodedebris.tumblr.com/post/102289586233/the-villans-of-gamergate-1-milo-yiannopoulos [28/12/2014, 2:48:59 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Curious about his book, too. We think he's using the nazi thing to distance himself from GG, but it's also gonna destroy his readerbase because he's so dense as to still have no clue how fast they turn on anyone pledging less than absolute fealty to the movement. [28/12/2014, 2:49:31 PM] Athena Hollow: Yep. That's exactly what I think as well. [28/12/2014, 2:49:36 PM] Athena Hollow: He needs a big dramatic ending. [28/12/2014, 2:49:37 PM] SF: I was expecting him to parachute out on a wedge issue, but yeah he's overestimating how fondly they remember people. [28/12/2014, 2:49:39 PM] Tesseract: nero's kind of an anomaly in gg in that he seems like he knows what he's doing on some level as opposed to the others who just constantly piss themselves [28/12/2014, 2:49:41 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Cool dude, been trying to anonymously compile dirt on big name GGers for the benefit of anyone trying to take them to court [28/12/2014, 2:49:50 PM] Athena Hollow: He could have spun the CP stuff, NOT THIS though. [28/12/2014, 2:49:54 PM] SF: Yeah Nero doesn't seem as emotionally invested. [28/12/2014, 2:50:00 PM] Athena Hollow: especially after having been likened to anti-Semitism before. [28/12/2014, 2:50:38 PM] Athena Hollow: Honestly I think his last few 'gamer' related articles have been to spit in their faces just to see how far he could take it [28/12/2014, 2:50:50 PM] Athena Hollow: and when they didn't let up, he realized he was going to have to step away. [28/12/2014, 2:51:08 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Watching Kluwe get to Nero and Cerno on the level of "come on, clearly you guys are in it for business" was great to watch [28/12/2014, 2:51:10 PM] Athena Hollow: He raised a little cult and has no fucking clue how bad he's gonna get it when he runs. [28/12/2014, 2:51:13 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Because of their tacit admission [28/12/2014, 2:51:34 PM] Alex Lifschitz: GG is blood out. No leaving without getting curbstomped. [28/12/2014, 2:51:48 PM] Athena Hollow: A bunch of little Norman Bates [28/12/2014, 2:51:58 PM] Remy: With Cernovich it gets hard to tell just how much of this is business and how much of it is his obsession [28/12/2014, 2:51:59 PM] Dina : What happened to Internet Aristocrat btw? [28/12/2014, 2:51:59 PM] Alex Lifschitz: He got his pound of flesh in gullible latent archconservatives. [28/12/2014, 2:52:17 PM] Alex Lifschitz: He kinda disappeared after turning on GG for being idiots. [28/12/2014, 2:52:19 PM] Athena Hollow: I think it's both Stephen. [28/12/2014, 2:52:20 PM] Tesseract: his twitter is back but I don't want to read it [28/12/2014, 2:52:34 PM] Dina : oh I didn't even realized he deleted his Twitter [28/12/2014, 2:52:36 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Nobody on 8chan talks about him anymore. It's all Sargon and Ralph. [28/12/2014, 2:52:36 PM] Remy: I'm gonna be honest [28/12/2014, 2:52:44 PM] Tesseract: internet aristocrat seemed to pretty much not give a shit for the majority of the the time he was even in gg [28/12/2014, 2:52:49 PM] Dina : forgot about Sargon.... [28/12/2014, 2:52:54 PM] Remy: I watched that dude's big YT rant where he "outed" everyone in GG and I still don't understand WTF he was so angry about or what the hell was going on [28/12/2014, 2:52:58 PM] Athena Hollow: Ugh. Sargon. [28/12/2014, 2:53:08 PM] Alex Lifschitz: IA basically said "of course I was using you idiots for money" and they started infighting [28/12/2014, 2:53:18 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: IA's done the whole disappearing thing before. i don't know WHAT his deal is honestly. like for example he went out of his way to never monetize his videos-- whatever he's in it for, it isn't money like ralph or sargon [28/12/2014, 2:53:20 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: or MM [28/12/2014, 2:53:33 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: nah, IA never made a cent AFAIK [28/12/2014, 2:53:33 PM] Athena Hollow: Epic trolling? [28/12/2014, 2:53:40 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: no patreon no youtube monetization [28/12/2014, 2:53:40 PM] Tesseract: he also fingered his girlfriend on stream and since that involved a woman having sex gamergate got super fucking pissed [28/12/2014, 2:53:42 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: nothing [28/12/2014, 2:54:07 PM] Remy: That I hadn't heard, Tess [28/12/2014, 2:54:11 PM] Dina : wait... he did? [28/12/2014, 2:54:22 PM] Dina : Also, a woman let IA near her? [28/12/2014, 2:54:23 PM] Alex Lifschitz: IA pops in every now and again to monetize new antifeminist campaigns. He'll probably return in a scandal outside the games sphere. [28/12/2014, 2:54:26 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 2:54:28 PM] Remy: lol Dina [28/12/2014, 2:54:32 PM] Tesseract: it was the same stream that KoP dropped some holocaust denial shit [28/12/2014, 2:54:33 PM] Remy: Remy wants a high five for that [28/12/2014, 2:54:44 PM] Tesseract: said stream is infamous in gg [28/12/2014, 2:54:51 PM] Dina : jfc [28/12/2014, 2:54:55 PM] Athena Hollow: It was the beginning of the end lol [28/12/2014, 2:55:00 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: what had he monetized, alex? from what i heard he was pretty furious at people like MM/ralph/etc that were trying to makee money [28/12/2014, 2:55:03 PM] Athena Hollow: Shit started speeding downhill from there. [28/12/2014, 2:55:22 PM] Athena Hollow: That was the first time Milo made mention about starting to cut ties. [28/12/2014, 2:55:34 PM] Athena Hollow: But then got a wild hair up his ass to make money off of it instead. [28/12/2014, 2:55:48 PM] Alex Lifschitz: IA got nearly a million views on his Quinnspiracy video. That's a couple grand. [28/12/2014, 2:55:57 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: it wasn't monetized [28/12/2014, 2:56:03 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: he had no YT partnership activated [28/12/2014, 2:56:07 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Weird. [28/12/2014, 2:56:08 PM] Dina : oh wow [28/12/2014, 2:56:19 PM] Dina : I don't know if that makes it better or worse tbh [28/12/2014, 2:56:23 PM] Ian Cheong: Huh [28/12/2014, 2:56:24 PM] Remy: So that leaves either irrational obsession, personal vendetta, or both [28/12/2014, 2:56:26 PM] Athena Hollow: In it to be a drama llama [28/12/2014, 2:56:31 PM] Dina : lol [28/12/2014, 2:56:32 PM] Athena Hollow: He's pretty anti-feminist [28/12/2014, 2:56:36 PM] Alex Lifschitz: E-peen? [28/12/2014, 2:56:41 PM] Athena Hollow: so he has personal reasons to be all up in that crazy shit. [28/12/2014, 2:56:52 PM] Remy: Maybe trashing women on the internet is the only way he's ever felt popular or validated [28/12/2014, 2:57:02 PM] Remy: People will fight just as hard for their own identity as they will money [28/12/2014, 2:57:04 PM] Remy: Harder even [28/12/2014, 2:57:06 PM] Athena Hollow: yup. [28/12/2014, 2:57:24 PM] Ian Cheong: He disappeared after GG decided not to attack SJWs as much as he wanted them to [28/12/2014, 2:57:34 PM] Athena Hollow: Didn't MM & him get into it [28/12/2014, 2:58:00 PM] Athena Hollow: like really hardcore & he said "FUCK THIS SHIT!" and deleted everything? [28/12/2014, 2:58:10 PM] Ian Cheong: Getting my laptop so I can type better [28/12/2014, 2:58:27 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: yeah IA was mad at 1) people making money and 2) the "ethics" concerns vs the SJW ones [28/12/2014, 2:58:37 PM] Remy: I'm still processing that we managed to get that Foxigon dude to delete all of his pro-GamerGate tweets. That had to have taken him so fucking long, too [28/12/2014, 2:58:46 PM] Tesseract: wait what [28/12/2014, 2:58:50 PM] Remy: I hear he's getting back into the game already [28/12/2014, 2:58:57 PM] Remy: But still, for like an hour and a half he left GamerGate [28/12/2014, 2:59:11 PM] Athena Hollow: yep. [28/12/2014, 2:59:20 PM] Dina : in many ways, IA was the most honest GG-er of them all [28/12/2014, 2:59:33 PM] Athena Hollow: he was trying to court people to look through the ggblocker to find other devs & have them try to launch a lawsuit [28/12/2014, 2:59:36 PM] Remy: But then Slade roped him into their next project [28/12/2014, 2:59:37 PM] Athena Hollow: Of course, with Rogue endorsing it. [28/12/2014, 3:00:12 PM] Remy: Their next project, by the way, is to spam everyone on the GGautoblocker list to find anyone who might be willing to claim to be a game developer wrongfully injured by the black list (please read: block list) [28/12/2014, 3:00:48 PM] Remy: Or as I like to call it, Operation: Hey, Just How Many of Us Are Actually Real Game Developers, Anyway? [28/12/2014, 3:00:50 PM] Athena Hollow: Too bad no fucking court in the world would see it that way since there are countless other ways in which you can contact someone else LOL and if you're associating w/ a toxic hate group on the internet, tough titty. [28/12/2014, 3:00:56 PM] Dina : LMAO Stephen [28/12/2014, 3:01:00 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL [28/12/2014, 3:01:16 PM] Remy: Apparently they think if they get enough anime avatars to claim financial damage from being blocked on Twitter [28/12/2014, 3:01:21 PM] Remy: 2: ...? [28/12/2014, 3:01:21 PM] Athena Hollow: I mean, if they aren't sea lion assholes, they can petition. [28/12/2014, 3:01:23 PM] Remy: 3: Profit! [28/12/2014, 3:01:46 PM] Athena Hollow: Unless they lose their shit like that one dude did... something about someone dying because of the blocklist? I dont even know. Unstable nutball. [28/12/2014, 3:01:54 PM] Remy: Hey, did Slade ever release his game on Christmas day like he promised? [28/12/2014, 3:01:58 PM] Athena Hollow: I remember him claiming he was a "neutral reporter" originally [28/12/2014, 3:01:59 PM] Athena Hollow: HAH [28/12/2014, 3:02:03 PM] Athena Hollow: nooooooppppppppppeeeeeeeeee [28/12/2014, 3:02:15 PM] Dina : 9____9 [28/12/2014, 3:04:45 PM] Ian Cheong: Ralph released a bunch of articles attacking me, Jim Sterling and Leigh Alexander over Christmas. They weren't particularly well received by KIA. [28/12/2014, 3:04:58 PM] Ian Cheong: Jim's article isn't up yet, I don't think. [28/12/2014, 3:04:58 PM] Peter Coffin: interesting [28/12/2014, 3:05:09 PM] Ian Cheong: But he says he plans to release an attack post on Jim before New Years. [28/12/2014, 3:05:25 PM] SF: I think we're just overestimating IA. [28/12/2014, 3:05:36 PM] SF: He's acting on emotion and probably has no particular plan. [28/12/2014, 3:05:48 PM] Athena Hollow: But yeah, if you wanna see someone overestimating the impact of the blocker, behold your eyes on this shit: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ggautoblocker-appeals/GFGPSkuhSjw Schalart = avoidddddddddd [28/12/2014, 3:05:58 PM] SF: If he had a plan he wouldn't pick on tweens on tumblr, he'd shoot higher. [28/12/2014, 3:05:59 PM] Ian Cheong: IA has a tendency to flounce whenever he gets popular. [28/12/2014, 3:06:06 PM] Remy: How old is IA even? [28/12/2014, 3:06:10 PM] Tesseract: 12 [28/12/2014, 3:06:11 PM] Ian Cheong: He's in his 30s. [28/12/2014, 3:06:14 PM] Remy: I didn't get the impression he was an adult? [28/12/2014, 3:06:17 PM] SF: Holy [28/12/2014, 3:06:20 PM] Dina : 13 [28/12/2014, 3:06:21 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah, he's older than I am, I know that much [28/12/2014, 3:06:25 PM] Remy: weird. [28/12/2014, 3:06:27 PM] Ian Cheong: He's older than me. [28/12/2014, 3:06:27 PM] Dina : WHAT [28/12/2014, 3:06:33 PM] Tesseract: hence "manchild" [28/12/2014, 3:06:35 PM] Dina : he's older than me?!! [28/12/2014, 3:06:39 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 3:06:40 PM] Ian Cheong: Yes. [28/12/2014, 3:06:41 PM] Peter Coffin: if he’s older than 30 he’s older than me [28/12/2014, 3:06:49 PM] Athena Hollow: hence - him fingering a woman on youtube =/= child porn lol [28/12/2014, 3:06:59 PM] Ian Cheong: He fingered Jaydefox on youtube [28/12/2014, 3:07:00 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Secret Gamer Girl is older than everyone here [28/12/2014, 3:07:23 PM] Remy: I didn't know YT even allowed that kind of material [28/12/2014, 3:07:31 PM] Athena Hollow: it was like, off cameraish i believe. [28/12/2014, 3:07:36 PM] Athena Hollow: they didn't full on show it. [28/12/2014, 3:07:45 PM] Ian Cheong: it was on voice [28/12/2014, 3:07:46 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: you sweet summer child? [28/12/2014, 3:07:57 PM] Athena Hollow: well there we go. [28/12/2014, 3:08:01 PM] Remy: Seems like some high-rate attention-seeking behavior [28/12/2014, 3:08:03 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah I had heard you couldn't see it [28/12/2014, 3:08:04 PM] Ian Cheong: Jaydefox made up a story about how she got doxxed (eh?) and harassed by anti-GG women when she first released her video supporting GG. That claim propelled her to fame among GG. [28/12/2014, 3:08:09 PM] Athena Hollow: but i didnt know how it went for sure [28/12/2014, 3:08:10 PM] Ian Cheong: I think she is full of shit. [28/12/2014, 3:08:12 PM] Remy: If they want to be exhibitionists I think there are websites for that [28/12/2014, 3:08:21 PM] Athena Hollow: you're probably right [28/12/2014, 3:08:27 PM] Dina : wait he fingered Jaydefox on YT? [28/12/2014, 3:08:32 PM] Dina : is she his gf?? [28/12/2014, 3:08:36 PM] Ian Cheong: Yeah in the drunk stream. [28/12/2014, 3:08:37 PM] Ian Cheong: yes [28/12/2014, 3:08:39 PM] Ian Cheong: shes his girlfriend [28/12/2014, 3:08:41 PM] Tesseract: it was her? [28/12/2014, 3:08:43 PM] Tesseract: hah [28/12/2014, 3:08:47 PM] Athena Hollow: Then again, I personally think a lot of the shit they say is bullshit because it's more their modus operandi than anyone else's. [28/12/2014, 3:08:57 PM] Ian Cheong: meanwhile KOP's girlfriend kept saying AYYYYYY LMAO on the stream and annoying everyone [28/12/2014, 3:09:02 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 3:09:16 PM] Ian Cheong: These people are such degenerates. [28/12/2014, 3:09:21 PM] Dina : equal opportunity annoying [28/12/2014, 3:09:23 PM] Dina : great. [28/12/2014, 3:10:08 PM] Ian Cheong: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30614627 [28/12/2014, 3:10:10 PM] Ian Cheong: this sucks. [28/12/2014, 3:10:18 PM] Ian Cheong: plane crashed on the way to singapore [28/12/2014, 3:10:38 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah, how the fuck does this keep happening?! [28/12/2014, 3:10:51 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: "it has come to my attention that the government of canada didn't send the whitelist request re. . my name." [28/12/2014, 3:10:54 PM] Remy: I don't get it how does AYYYY LMAO become a verbal thing [28/12/2014, 3:11:07 PM] Tesseract: I don't want to pronounce lmao out loud [28/12/2014, 3:11:13 PM] Remy: Good [28/12/2014, 3:11:18 PM] Remy: That's how you know you're still a good person [28/12/2014, 3:11:21 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 3:11:23 PM] Remy: Never lose sight of that [28/12/2014, 3:11:26 PM] Peter Coffin: ayyyyyy would only be acceptable if it was followed by “must be the money" [28/12/2014, 3:11:31 PM] Tesseract: I only started using lol and lmao online as part of my weird twitter persona [28/12/2014, 3:11:33 PM] Athena Hollow: or smacking a jukebox [28/12/2014, 3:11:41 PM] Remy: Peter gets internet high fives for that [28/12/2014, 3:11:42 PM] Tesseract: apparently that makes a strikethrough [28/12/2014, 3:12:02 PM] Remy: I need to make some lemonade [28/12/2014, 3:12:08 PM] Remy: I don't know why I typed that out [28/12/2014, 3:12:15 PM] Remy: That has zero relevance to anybody here [28/12/2014, 3:12:24 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 3:12:26 PM] Ian Cheong: ayyyy lmao [28/12/2014, 3:12:35 PM] Remy: I'm sorry. I'm high. I need to step away from the keyboard right meow [28/12/2014, 3:12:39 PM] Ian Cheong: ayyy lmao [28/12/2014, 3:12:49 PM] Ian Cheong: Ian Cheong gets booted from chat for saying ayyyy lmao too much [28/12/2014, 3:12:51 PM] Athena Hollow: goddammit ian. i am sick. quit making me laugh. [28/12/2014, 3:12:57 PM] Dina : ok wait do you pronounce each letter of LMAO? [28/12/2014, 3:13:00 PM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 3:13:04 PM] Ian Cheong: ellemayoh [28/12/2014, 3:13:07 PM] Tesseract: l'mayo [28/12/2014, 3:13:08 PM] Remy: Elemayoh [28/12/2014, 3:13:09 PM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 3:13:09 PM] Dina : or just kinda mash the letters together like you would read a word [28/12/2014, 3:13:17 PM] Athena Hollow: omg why. [28/12/2014, 3:13:19 PM] Remy: It's elemayo, my dear Watson [28/12/2014, 3:13:24 PM] Remy: Top Kek indeed, holmes [28/12/2014, 3:13:25 PM] Ian Cheong: hahahaha [28/12/2014, 3:13:26 PM] Dina : ... [28/12/2014, 3:13:27 PM] Tesseract: pff [28/12/2014, 3:13:28 PM] Dina : LOL [28/12/2014, 3:13:38 PM] Ian Cheong: the toppest of keks, good sir [28/12/2014, 3:13:41 PM] Remy: okay now I have to shut up [28/12/2014, 3:13:42 PM] Athena Hollow: I say "lulz" when I'm specifically referring to "someone was an asshole for the lulz" but that's it. [28/12/2014, 3:13:49 PM] Athena Hollow: the rest is just... god...no... set it on fire. [28/12/2014, 3:13:50 PM] Quinnae: Back for a little bit during anime intermission. [28/12/2014, 3:13:58 PM] Quinnae: How are you adorable dorks? [28/12/2014, 3:14:03 PM] Remy: Just being adorable dorks [28/12/2014, 3:14:11 PM] Athena Hollow: setting net speak on fire? [28/12/2014, 3:14:59 PM] Dina : Kath <3 [28/12/2014, 3:15:14 PM] Athena Hollow: alrighty I need to try and get some sleep as i am feel like deth. [28/12/2014, 3:15:19 PM] Quinnae: Aww, hi Dina [28/12/2014, 3:15:31 PM] Ian Cheong: So my cousin got me a pipe and some high quality tobacco for Christmas [28/12/2014, 3:15:34 PM] Ian Cheong: im going to smoke that later. [28/12/2014, 3:15:52 PM] Dina : #whitetrustfundbaby [28/12/2014, 3:15:58 PM] Athena Hollow: lol [28/12/2014, 3:16:00 PM] Quinnae: Sounds delightful, Ian. [28/12/2014, 3:16:02 PM] Athena Hollow: night everyone <3 [28/12/2014, 3:16:06 PM] Ian Cheong: cya athena [28/12/2014, 3:16:07 PM] Remy: ugh [28/12/2014, 3:16:12 PM] Quinnae: Were you talking to me, Dina? Because apparently that's what I am. [28/12/2014, 3:16:19 PM] Quinnae: Nini, Athena. [28/12/2014, 3:16:23 PM] Remy: Like, as far as who I am as a person I am SOOO glad I did not grow up a trust fund baby [28/12/2014, 3:16:24 PM] Dina : Night, Athena! [28/12/2014, 3:16:30 PM] Dina : Kath, you and me both [28/12/2014, 3:16:43 PM] Remy: But then there are those days I wish I grew up with all that sweet nutrition and health care and financial support structure and I'm like [28/12/2014, 3:16:48 PM] Remy: Fuck being a good person I wish I was born rich [28/12/2014, 3:16:52 PM] Ian Cheong: Gators think we're all rich trust fund babies because it enables them to 'punch up' so to speak [28/12/2014, 3:16:57 PM] Dina : also when they realized I was arab they changed the narrative to LITERALLY "her oil tycoon daddy bought her her job" [28/12/2014, 3:17:10 PM] Dina : sent a file to this group: スクリーンショット 2014-11-26 11.59.58.png [28/12/2014, 3:17:12 PM] Remy: wow [28/12/2014, 3:17:22 PM] Remy: So they went super racist as soon as they saw an opening [28/12/2014, 3:17:31 PM] Dina : I have a few more hilarious screen caps hehe [28/12/2014, 3:17:41 PM] drinternetphd: all of our fathers are rich somehow [28/12/2014, 3:17:46 PM] Peter Coffin: https://twitter.com/petercoffin/status/549101762812989440 [28/12/2014, 3:17:50 PM] Ian Cheong: Yup. [28/12/2014, 3:17:50 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i didn't have the heart to keep looking up the shit they were digging up on me :\ [28/12/2014, 3:17:58 PM] Remy: I wish there was a way to unpack that stereotype [28/12/2014, 3:18:04 PM] Remy: "They disagree with me. Therefore they must be rich" [28/12/2014, 3:18:11 PM] Remy: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [28/12/2014, 3:18:18 PM] Ian Cheong: I remember early on they said your family was one of the New York aristocracy, Zoe. [28/12/2014, 3:18:23 PM] Ian Cheong: Like Anderson Cooper's family [28/12/2014, 3:18:26 PM] Ian Cheong: 'old money' [28/12/2014, 3:18:38 PM] Peter Coffin: one tried to argue with me on that very point, i told them I have two full-time jobs and they redirected to say I was working too much and should spend more time with my family [28/12/2014, 3:18:53 PM] Peter Coffin: morons [28/12/2014, 3:19:19 PM] Remy: I actually already figured out Zoe. She's the real Lindberg baby but the baby fell through a time warp [28/12/2014, 3:19:37 PM] Remy: Did you ever see the South Park episode where Cartman froze himself b/c he couldn't wait for the Wii to release? [28/12/2014, 3:19:40 PM] drinternetphd: stop writing anime at me [28/12/2014, 3:19:40 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: key thing- Never assume they actually believe their own words [28/12/2014, 3:19:42 PM] Ian Cheong: I wish I was rich as fuck. I would destroy gamergate with lawyers. [28/12/2014, 3:19:42 PM] Remy: Basically that ensued [28/12/2014, 3:19:45 PM] Tesseract: yesterday leopirate and pals spun this elaborate story about me arguing about gamergate with my family over christmas dinner somehow [28/12/2014, 3:19:59 PM] Tesseract: the worst I've seen is a gger claiming randi sold her kid for meth lol [28/12/2014, 3:20:02 PM] Remy: lol I'm sorry Zoe [28/12/2014, 3:20:06 PM] Remy: I'll stop ^_^" [28/12/2014, 3:20:18 PM] Quinnae: Write anime about me instead. [28/12/2014, 3:20:22 PM] drinternetphd: ^ [28/12/2014, 3:20:26 PM] Tesseract: or alex's dad being some sort of powerful israeli warlord [28/12/2014, 3:20:28 PM] Remy: :3 [28/12/2014, 3:20:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: What if I write anime about Katherine TO Zoe? [28/12/2014, 3:20:39 PM] drinternetphd: and I am apparently a rooservelt heiress [28/12/2014, 3:20:47 PM] Peter Coffin: that would be fun [28/12/2014, 3:21:15 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Zoe: int. bedroom- Katherine has overslept and dresses in a hurry. Cut to kitchen. Katherine: "I'm late!" closeup of toast in mouth... [28/12/2014, 3:21:23 PM] drinternetphd: in the mother of all coincidences, a lady who works on that common core thing has the last name van valkenburg quinn [28/12/2014, 3:21:25 PM] Dina : the racism is strong with GG [28/12/2014, 3:21:42 PM] Ian Cheong: Wow Zoe. [28/12/2014, 3:21:47 PM] drinternetphd: yeah dude. [28/12/2014, 3:21:50 PM] drinternetphd: not related to me at all [28/12/2014, 3:21:51 PM] Peter Coffin: great scott [28/12/2014, 3:21:55 PM] Ian Cheong: That is... serendipitous. [28/12/2014, 3:22:02 PM] drinternetphd: I feel so sorry for her [28/12/2014, 3:22:08 PM] Remy: right? [28/12/2014, 3:22:13 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: the thing I love about "common core" conspiracy theories is how clearly their adherents have no idea whatsoever what they're talking about [28/12/2014, 3:22:15 PM] drinternetphd: also they're using it as an excuse to dig into my family again [28/12/2014, 3:22:21 PM] drinternetphd: so that sucks a bit [28/12/2014, 3:22:22 PM] Remy: Don't they already have some weird obsession with tying "cultural marxism" to Common Core? [28/12/2014, 3:22:26 PM] drinternetphd: yes [28/12/2014, 3:22:34 PM] Remy: Like... I never saw that one coming [28/12/2014, 3:22:37 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: like, even by the standards conspiracy theorists normally have no clue, those ones are something special [28/12/2014, 3:22:41 PM] drinternetphd: I sitll don't know what cultural marxism is [28/12/2014, 3:22:47 PM] Remy: I figured it out Zoe [28/12/2014, 3:22:52 PM] Remy: It's Captain Planet [28/12/2014, 3:22:54 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: OK like [28/12/2014, 3:22:54 PM] Quinnae: SGG, I approve. [28/12/2014, 3:22:58 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: its Marxism [28/12/2014, 3:23:03 PM] Ian Cheong: Cultural marxism is the idea that SJWs want to pacify the human race in order to subjugate them and take away their freedoms. [28/12/2014, 3:23:03 PM] Remy: Remember when Ted Turner went all out on making multicultural cartoons? [28/12/2014, 3:23:03 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: but you know, cultural [28/12/2014, 3:23:04 PM] Peter Coffin: it’s not something to anyone who isn’t a fucking idiot [28/12/2014, 3:23:10 PM] Tesseract: cultural marxism is the belief that progressivism was engineered by the "frankfurt school" instead of developing organically [28/12/2014, 3:23:10 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: so it freaks out the Zentradi [28/12/2014, 3:23:25 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and then they fight back by making out with eachother [28/12/2014, 3:23:48 PM] Ian Cheong: progressivism is a blight upon society and hard working men, who have their art and creativity stifled by SJws [28/12/2014, 3:23:56 PM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 3:24:05 PM] Peter Coffin: let’s reverse it [28/12/2014, 3:24:06 PM] Dina : I remember the Palestine/Israeli conflict captain planet [28/12/2014, 3:24:09 PM] Peter Coffin: cultural meritocracy [28/12/2014, 3:24:10 PM] Ian Cheong: I can do this all day. [28/12/2014, 3:24:16 PM] Dina : that was so weird and a bit too real for me as a kid [28/12/2014, 3:24:24 PM] Remy: :( [28/12/2014, 3:24:36 PM] Peter Coffin: literally to be culture in a cultural meritocracy, one would have to earn it [28/12/2014, 3:24:42 PM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 3:24:51 PM] Remy: But the only way to earn it is if a white man says so [28/12/2014, 3:24:59 PM] Dina : all hail the white man [28/12/2014, 3:25:02 PM] Remy: Like it has to be written down that way just to be balls-out honest about it [28/12/2014, 3:25:04 PM] Dina : why do I keep dating white men [28/12/2014, 3:25:06 PM] Peter Coffin: but it’s distortable, so anything that is already culture can define what is and isn’t culture [28/12/2014, 3:25:06 PM] Dina : help [28/12/2014, 3:25:23 PM] Peter Coffin: meritocracy pisses me the fuck off [28/12/2014, 3:25:25 PM] Remy: Because they can Jedi mind trick cops into leaving them alone [28/12/2014, 3:25:52 PM] Remy: Or maybe you've received too much cultural messaging designed to promote the white man as an object of desire / envy? [28/12/2014, 3:26:14 PM] Ian Cheong: This is too real Stephen [28/12/2014, 3:26:21 PM] Remy: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic [28/12/2014, 3:26:28 PM] Ian Cheong: I'm not. [28/12/2014, 3:26:30 PM] Dina : Stephen sounds about right [28/12/2014, 3:26:38 PM] Peter Coffin: merit doesn’t mean accomplishment, that is the problem. merit means “the quality of being worthy” which is completely subjective [28/12/2014, 3:26:41 PM] Dina : especially since I come from an ex-french colony [28/12/2014, 3:27:08 PM] Peter Coffin: to ggers, worthy means “has money to employ PR" [28/12/2014, 3:27:21 PM] Peter Coffin: i.e. has been successful in the past [28/12/2014, 3:27:25 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ugh [28/12/2014, 3:27:28 PM] Peter Coffin: meaning accomplishment is irrelevant [28/12/2014, 3:27:42 PM] Ian Cheong: I don't know why my dad insists on turning on the TV when we have guests over. [28/12/2014, 3:27:47 PM] Peter Coffin: maybe they were once “worthy” based on merit, but they are already something [28/12/2014, 3:28:01 PM] Peter Coffin: that is my problem with meritocracy and capitalism [28/12/2014, 3:28:02 PM] Ian Cheong: Like come on, it's distracting, turn it off. [28/12/2014, 3:28:12 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: this sort of thing always bums me out [28/12/2014, 3:28:14 PM] Peter Coffin: it’s soooooooooo distortable [28/12/2014, 3:28:18 PM] Dina : Ian sounds like my family lol [28/12/2014, 3:28:42 PM] Ian Cheong: Now he's watching Dog Whisperer [28/12/2014, 3:29:08 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I am way too poor with way too many Old Money neighbors to deal with talking about where people get their cash. [28/12/2014, 3:31:07 PM] Tesseract: https://monitor.wildfireapp.com/count_reports/display?googleplus=&facebook=&twitter=PlayDangerously lol [28/12/2014, 3:31:55 PM] Ian Cheong: he bought his folloewrs. [28/12/2014, 3:31:58 PM] Dina : what am I looking at? [28/12/2014, 3:32:35 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: what the heck happened on the 19th? [28/12/2014, 3:32:41 PM] Ian Cheong: https://www.twitteraudit.com/PlayDangerously [28/12/2014, 3:32:56 PM] Ian Cheong: 6000 folloewrs are fake [28/12/2014, 3:33:16 PM] Ian Cheong: contrast that to zoe's [28/12/2014, 3:33:20 PM] Ian Cheong: https://www.twitteraudit.com/thequinnspiracy [28/12/2014, 3:33:36 PM] Remy: lol no way [28/12/2014, 3:33:40 PM] Ian Cheong: she has 2.x times as many followers and only 7% are fake. [28/12/2014, 3:33:42 PM] Remy: Cernovich bought followers? [28/12/2014, 3:33:47 PM] Tesseract: probably yes [28/12/2014, 3:33:56 PM] Tesseract: https://storify.com/SJWIlluminati/what-are-jokes relevant [28/12/2014, 3:33:58 PM] Ian Cheong: the increase in folloewrs does not look organic [28/12/2014, 3:34:04 PM] Remy: I'm not going to assume we have "proof" but I'll believe your educated guess [28/12/2014, 3:34:34 PM] Quinnae: analyses herself [28/12/2014, 3:34:40 PM] Quinnae: crosses fingers nervously [28/12/2014, 3:34:46 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i... [28/12/2014, 3:34:47 PM] Tesseract: the straight line starts at 11k and ends at 23k [28/12/2014, 3:34:48 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i glanced at that [28/12/2014, 3:34:50 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: and read [28/12/2014, 3:34:51 PM] Dina : something weird happened to @andrewvestal where he went from 900 followers to 12k [28/12/2014, 3:34:53 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I'm still incredibly weirded out that I have 700+ [28/12/2014, 3:34:55 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: katherine fingers herself nervously [28/12/2014, 3:34:57 PM] Dina : and he was like WTF HELP [28/12/2014, 3:35:11 PM] Ian Cheong: bots ofllowed him, dina? [28/12/2014, 3:35:12 PM] Dina : "fingers herself"? o_O [28/12/2014, 3:35:18 PM] Dina : yeah Ian [28/12/2014, 3:35:20 PM] Tesseract: so twitter audit says he has 6k fake followers while in actuality he has around 12k or more [28/12/2014, 3:35:35 PM] Remy: lol Katherine did you just audit yourself? [28/12/2014, 3:35:38 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: cause "analyses herself" and "crosses fingers nervously" ;-;; [28/12/2014, 3:35:49 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: my mind took words from each [28/12/2014, 3:35:55 PM] Quinnae: Heh [28/12/2014, 3:35:56 PM] Dina : oooh Sarah [28/12/2014, 3:35:57 PM] Quinnae: Yes, I did. [28/12/2014, 3:36:00 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I still get all weird when I hear people mention Andrew Vestal [28/12/2014, 3:36:01 PM] Quinnae: Was that a bad thing? [28/12/2014, 3:36:06 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: haha [28/12/2014, 3:36:11 PM] Dina : why SGG? ._. [28/12/2014, 3:36:12 PM] Remy: no [28/12/2014, 3:36:19 PM] Remy: But I saw it pop up in the queue and I wanted to giggle that I noticed [28/12/2014, 3:36:22 PM] Quinnae: Whew, only 4% are fake. [28/12/2014, 3:36:24 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: weird personal history crap [28/12/2014, 3:36:41 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i had 10 when this started and 3.2k now x-x [28/12/2014, 3:36:44 PM] Dina : oh I'm sorry [28/12/2014, 3:36:45 PM] Remy: Is it weird that I wanna block/force-unfollow the fake ones? [28/12/2014, 3:37:01 PM] Dina : same Stephen [28/12/2014, 3:37:05 PM] Dina : someone audit me please [28/12/2014, 3:37:18 PM] Dina : I have quite a few slave accounts follow me because of my name [28/12/2014, 3:37:27 PM] Dina : and I'm like no... you guys.... no.... [28/12/2014, 3:37:36 PM] Ian Cheong: aww haha [28/12/2014, 3:37:39 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: rofl [28/12/2014, 3:37:41 PM] Ian Cheong: those poor subs [28/12/2014, 3:38:27 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i have a fetlife profile i log in to check every 3 months. i'm listed as a lesbian. all i get are messages from guys asking if i want to hook up or OCCASIONALLY someoone asking if i want to have sex with their wife when they watch [28/12/2014, 3:38:33 PM] Ian Cheong: now my dad is watching some shitty police show where they're arresting people for possession of weed. [28/12/2014, 3:38:34 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i don't think they get how the lesbian thing works [28/12/2014, 3:38:43 PM] Ian Cheong: and in my mind im thinking, man, thats such a bullshit reason to arrest someone [28/12/2014, 3:38:53 PM] Remy: Do they not realize there are websites with videos? [28/12/2014, 3:38:59 PM] SF: Are there any hookup sites where girls can exist [28/12/2014, 3:39:10 PM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 3:39:21 PM] SF: Without being dogpiled by bros [28/12/2014, 3:39:38 PM] Ian Cheong: dogpiled by bros sounds like a porno [28/12/2014, 3:39:39 PM] Remy: Asking for a hookup site where girls exist is like growing an apple tree on Titan and complaining it doesn't taste right. [28/12/2014, 3:39:46 PM] SF: I'm not joking I would like to find hot locals in my area free iPad [28/12/2014, 3:40:04 PM] Remy: Like... the atmosphere is Methane, what are you gonna do. Toxic environment [28/12/2014, 3:40:33 PM] Remy: In the end we have to attack at the source [28/12/2014, 3:40:40 PM] SF: I bet it's even worse for straight women because they don't have the queer scene. [28/12/2014, 3:40:45 PM] SF: So it's like having sex in a minefield. [28/12/2014, 3:40:57 PM] Remy: And get rid of this shitty "boys will be boys" relaxed attitude about letting men slide off the hook with violent behavior [28/12/2014, 3:40:57 PM] SF: manfield [28/12/2014, 3:41:08 PM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 3:41:33 PM] Peter Coffin: wow, how are 2454 of my followers fake [28/12/2014, 3:41:49 PM] SF: You have 5x as many fake followers as I have real ones. [28/12/2014, 3:41:51 PM] Peter Coffin: 9574 real, so I’m not worried, but that is a lot of fake [28/12/2014, 3:42:05 PM] Peter Coffin: tee hee [28/12/2014, 3:42:30 PM] Dina : holy hell [28/12/2014, 3:42:50 PM] Dina : dudes on dating sites are the reason I don't use dating sites [28/12/2014, 3:42:53 PM] Dina : jfc [28/12/2014, 3:43:00 PM] Peter Coffin: saynomore saynomore [28/12/2014, 3:43:05 PM] Remy: Hmm :/ well your work is more around YT which thrives on advertising and exposure so maybe bots with the same kind of conditions would coalesce around your account Peter [28/12/2014, 3:43:05 PM] Dina : well, straight dudes tbf [28/12/2014, 3:43:29 PM] Peter Coffin: could be [28/12/2014, 3:43:31 PM] Remy: Like... entertainment biz is always going to draw ad interest [28/12/2014, 3:43:36 PM] Quinnae: hugs Dina Sorry. [28/12/2014, 3:43:38 PM] Remy: and the spam bots that follow [28/12/2014, 3:43:51 PM] SF: No why do I have to look at TB's stupid hat when I'm buying Nidhogg argh [28/12/2014, 3:43:54 PM] Quinnae: I'm lucky in that I benefitted from OKC screening heterosexual men away due to how I set my orientation. [28/12/2014, 3:44:00 PM] Dina : "Hi you have such a nice body let's go for coffee" <- best option [28/12/2014, 3:44:10 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: heh [28/12/2014, 3:44:13 PM] Remy: I had the worst luck on OKCupid [28/12/2014, 3:44:15 PM] Dina : how do I even respond to that [28/12/2014, 3:44:25 PM] Peter Coffin: I read straight guy on dating site shaming blogs, so I totally get where you are going with this [28/12/2014, 3:44:46 PM] SF: Did you see the one where the girl responded to every guy with Horse_ebooks quotes [28/12/2014, 3:44:49 PM] SF: And they couldn't tell [28/12/2014, 3:44:53 PM] Dina : Ihonestly prefer the more straightforward "a/s/l" of yore [28/12/2014, 3:44:55 PM] SF: And would hold long conversations with a robot horse [28/12/2014, 3:45:02 PM] Remy: Weird thing about OKCupid is I think I was approached by women more when my profile said "Gay" than when it said "Bi" [28/12/2014, 3:45:20 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I suppose the response to that is "Will you hold something black against me?" [28/12/2014, 3:45:21 PM] Peter Coffin: I don’t know how but I read bi as FBI [28/12/2014, 3:45:23 PM] Remy: Like for some reason I got the impression that "Bi" was considered a weird negative [28/12/2014, 3:45:29 PM] Peter Coffin: and I was like “maybe they were just criminals" [28/12/2014, 3:45:46 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: or however you like your coffee [28/12/2014, 3:46:06 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: There's no real answer that isn't going to come off dirty though [28/12/2014, 3:46:08 PM] SF: "Bi" felt dirty before I was a girl. Now it like, makes me cool or something. It's kind of sad. [28/12/2014, 3:46:34 PM] Dina : SF loool [28/12/2014, 3:46:42 PM] SF: Except the part where I have to play it down because there are very few guys I'm into and I'm worried the wider open the door is the more creeped on I'll get. [28/12/2014, 3:46:54 PM] Dina : Stephen I would never list Bi on my dating profile [28/12/2014, 3:47:09 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: hmm [28/12/2014, 3:47:17 PM] Dina : Bi woman is the invitation to some really gross shit [28/12/2014, 3:47:33 PM] Dina : aka "HI HAVE A THREESOME WITH ME AND MY GF, PROP" [28/12/2014, 3:47:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: all dating profiles should have gender right next to orientation to encourage more "F BI" entries [28/12/2014, 3:47:35 PM] Dina : how about no [28/12/2014, 3:47:54 PM] Remy: Ah [28/12/2014, 3:47:57 PM] SF: It's weird because I really wanna be that direct about it. [28/12/2014, 3:48:06 PM] Quinnae: This is why I never ever listed as bi, I hate to say. [28/12/2014, 3:48:06 PM] SF: But like, people don't know how to do that and not be gross. [28/12/2014, 3:48:18 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i knew a lot of bi/pan women that would just set up a profile under lesbian and explain in their about they're only interested in meeting women on the site tbh [28/12/2014, 3:48:50 PM] Ian Cheong: dudes on dating sites are the reason I don't use dating sites. [28/12/2014, 3:48:54 PM] SF: I'd rather just upload a resume and be like "Here's what I'm like, here's what I'm into, apply with your info, don't be a desperate weirdo" [28/12/2014, 3:48:58 PM] Ian Cheong: they make me look bad by association [28/12/2014, 3:49:03 PM] Dina : I don't think OKC is the place to proposition threesomes ever imho [28/12/2014, 3:49:03 PM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 3:49:06 PM] Dina : but that could be just me [28/12/2014, 3:49:13 PM] SF: Well where do you do it then? [28/12/2014, 3:49:25 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: in your home with trusted friends? [28/12/2014, 3:49:30 PM] SF: bah [28/12/2014, 3:49:38 PM] SF: I've only got so many friends. [28/12/2014, 3:49:40 PM] Dina : what SGG said [28/12/2014, 3:49:46 PM] Remy: Honestly I don't wanna knock the internet but threesomes, especially involving a couple, should be organized IRL so you know that everyone's chemistry plays well together [28/12/2014, 3:49:49 PM] Dina : or in specific sex meetups [28/12/2014, 3:49:56 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and maybe at George Clinton concerts? [28/12/2014, 3:49:56 PM] Dina : orgies and the like [28/12/2014, 3:49:59 PM] Dina : sex clubs [28/12/2014, 3:50:11 PM] Quinnae: Admittedly, I'm much too shy and buttoned down to ask for threesomes online anyway, however politely. [28/12/2014, 3:50:13 PM] SF: Then I have to talk to people. [28/12/2014, 3:50:15 PM] Dina : Stephen exactly [28/12/2014, 3:50:21 PM] Dina : haha I'm afraid so [28/12/2014, 3:50:32 PM] Quinnae: And I only go to clubs when I'm with a dedicated partner that I can whip at my leisure. blushes [28/12/2014, 3:50:50 PM] Quinnae: Otherwise it'd just be a disaster of shyness, socialising, and feels. [28/12/2014, 3:50:51 PM] Dina : You just need to look a person in the eye first before knowing whether you trust them with your partner and yourself [28/12/2014, 3:50:54 PM] Ian Cheong: What conversation have I stumbled in upon. [28/12/2014, 3:50:57 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: the term "partner" with regards to relationships always weirds me out [28/12/2014, 3:51:06 PM] SF: It feels kinda sterile doesn't it [28/12/2014, 3:51:08 PM] Remy: we're discussing threesomes and online dating [28/12/2014, 3:51:17 PM] Dina : how about "pardner" [28/12/2014, 3:51:20 PM] SF: 3 at least [28/12/2014, 3:51:22 PM] Remy: You know 'cause we're a bunch of sex-negative SJW's and all that [28/12/2014, 3:51:31 PM] Dina : Dina puts on cowboy boots [28/12/2014, 3:51:35 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: it's not even necessarily sterile, it just seems like, you run a lawfirm, or some criminal enterprise [28/12/2014, 3:51:40 PM] Remy: Remy puts on some chaps lol [28/12/2014, 3:52:03 PM] Quinnae: Well, SGG, if I'd said "painslut" that would have been terribly uncouth and unbecoming of me, you understand. [28/12/2014, 3:52:08 PM] Remy: AH WISH AH COOD QUIT YOO [28/12/2014, 3:52:11 PM] Quinnae: And that simply won't do. blushes [28/12/2014, 3:52:55 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: but it makes for a much clearer sentence structure and mental image [28/12/2014, 3:53:16 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: AND reminds me that I haven't started playing this copy of Bayonetta 2 I got for Christmas! [28/12/2014, 3:53:23 PM] Quinnae: chuckles [28/12/2014, 3:53:28 PM] Dan Olson: I agree. I know EXACTLY what a painslut is. [28/12/2014, 3:53:28 PM] Dina : LOOOL Stephen [28/12/2014, 3:53:39 PM] SF: I did not know but I could have probably guessed. [28/12/2014, 3:53:42 PM] Dina : Kath oh my ._. [28/12/2014, 3:53:45 PM] Quinnae: I am likely going to get a WiiU, so Bayonetta 2 is in the cards. [28/12/2014, 3:53:53 PM] Quinnae: curtsies to Dina and Dan [28/12/2014, 3:53:58 PM] SF: OH hey how about proposing that to the internet as a new familial suffix to replace "-fag" [28/12/2014, 3:54:11 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: replaying the original first because hey, been a while and all [28/12/2014, 3:54:13 PM] SF: newslut, oldslut, tripslut, etc. [28/12/2014, 3:54:16 PM] Dina : "-painslut"? [28/12/2014, 3:54:19 PM] Quinnae: laughs [28/12/2014, 3:54:19 PM] Dina : oooh [28/12/2014, 3:54:25 PM] Remy: I don't know what a painslut is and I'm not trying to be judgmental but I don't need to know [28/12/2014, 3:54:38 PM] Dina : I don't know which one I'd be and I'm confused now [28/12/2014, 3:54:39 PM] Peter Coffin: https://twitter.com/Mephilesbdsm/status/549110553936142337 someone asking me about what gg is [28/12/2014, 3:54:41 PM] Quinnae: But, yes, your local sex negative radical feminist at your service, everyone. winks [28/12/2014, 3:54:42 PM] Charloppe: sarah says there is to many cubones. not sure whatto say [28/12/2014, 3:55:03 PM] Dina : Cubones are so cute tho [28/12/2014, 3:55:05 PM] Dan Olson: For the life of me I can't figure out what makes this map different from a normal map. I feel like it's just, like, longer and skinnier than normal? Less north/south? [28/12/2014, 3:55:13 PM] Remy: On my first deployment I borrowed my buddy's computer and he'd left his browser on porn and didn't realize and so that day I found out that that dude is very aroused at the thought of having a woman stomp on his testicles violently [28/12/2014, 3:55:20 PM] SF: I talk the talk but I'm starting to suspect I'm like the most vanilla person here. [28/12/2014, 3:55:22 PM] Remy: So yeah I don't need to know what a painslut is [28/12/2014, 3:55:24 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Seriously though, it weirds me out that there's people who dislike Bayonetta [28/12/2014, 3:55:30 PM] Charloppe: yes they are. shes just repeating herself. [28/12/2014, 3:55:31 PM] Peter Coffin: this @fox_sniper person bombards them, sends them fake girlfriend article, then sends them GamerGate in 60 Seconds [28/12/2014, 3:55:33 PM] Quinnae: Sorry, Peter. [28/12/2014, 3:55:36 PM] Peter Coffin: not your fault [28/12/2014, 3:55:38 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i'm more into control than pain. but pain as a means of exerting control is hot :3 [28/12/2014, 3:55:38 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and for that matter, absolutely any other game from Platinum/Clover [28/12/2014, 3:55:48 PM] Remy: @fox_sniper I've seen that tag before [28/12/2014, 3:55:51 PM] Remy: Isn't that a GG troll? [28/12/2014, 3:55:54 PM] Peter Coffin: yes [28/12/2014, 3:56:00 PM] Charloppe: hey sarah [28/12/2014, 3:56:07 PM] Charloppe: remember that painful memory [28/12/2014, 3:56:14 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: charloppe wouldn't know anything about being a painslut [28/12/2014, 3:56:19 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: cough firecupping cough [28/12/2014, 3:56:25 PM] Charloppe: when i called you gg during wrestling [28/12/2014, 3:56:28 PM] Dina : I'm with Miss Butts on the pain/control [28/12/2014, 3:56:34 PM] Dina : and I'm really sorry Peter :( [28/12/2014, 3:56:34 PM] Quinnae: giggles [28/12/2014, 3:56:35 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: <333 dina [28/12/2014, 3:56:50 PM] SF: Just thinking about what Peter mentioned makes mine hurt. [28/12/2014, 3:57:03 PM] Remy: Don't get me wrong I completely understand sexually enjoying pain. The brain is sorting through stimulation obviously some people are going to react differently to it than others. [28/12/2014, 3:57:06 PM] Charloppe: firecupping was fun tho [28/12/2014, 3:57:17 PM] Remy: Some people don't like spicy food ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [28/12/2014, 3:57:21 PM] Dina : resisting the urge to google firecupping...... [28/12/2014, 3:57:32 PM] Ian Cheong: I don't want to know what that is. [28/12/2014, 3:57:32 PM] Peter Coffin: so that radio show I was on tonight [28/12/2014, 3:57:32 PM] Charloppe: your fault sarah [28/12/2014, 3:57:36 PM] SF: Kinks remind me that you may all enjoy @wikisext https://twitter.com/wikisext [28/12/2014, 3:57:39 PM] Peter Coffin: here’s a shock, they didn’t bombard it [28/12/2014, 3:57:51 PM] Dan Olson: wait, no, I see it. Equatorial map is just a long skinny landmass in the middle of the map. [28/12/2014, 3:57:53 PM] Peter Coffin: they were too chickenshit, they waited until I was gone, THEN CALLED IN [28/12/2014, 3:57:58 PM] SF: It's a bot that writes sext tweets based on wikihow articles. [28/12/2014, 3:58:03 PM] Peter Coffin: I just got a text from the host talking to me about it [28/12/2014, 3:58:05 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: that sounds like it could mean anything from totally innocent to a serious safety risk [28/12/2014, 3:58:05 PM] Tesseract: I prefer voidsexts https://twitter.com/voidsexts [28/12/2014, 3:58:05 PM] Dina : lol [28/12/2014, 3:58:11 PM] Peter Coffin: they had an outline based around what I said [28/12/2014, 3:58:22 PM] Peter Coffin: over 2 hours [28/12/2014, 3:58:32 PM] Dan Olson: I trid various kink stuff, and it turns out that I'm pretty boring. [28/12/2014, 3:58:34 PM] SF: I hadn't seen voidsexts hahaha [28/12/2014, 3:58:36 PM] Peter Coffin: 4 hour show, they waited until I was gone to call in [28/12/2014, 3:58:57 PM] Peter Coffin: that’s just infuriating, they needed to be sure they wouldn’t be argued with [28/12/2014, 3:59:04 PM] Peter Coffin: by someone hip to their shit [28/12/2014, 3:59:11 PM] Ian Cheong: of course [28/12/2014, 3:59:16 PM] Quinnae: hugs Peter [28/12/2014, 3:59:35 PM] Peter Coffin: that annoys me, they literally spent two hours listening, knowing I would be gone, and called in after [28/12/2014, 3:59:44 PM] Peter Coffin: how chicken shit is that [28/12/2014, 3:59:48 PM] Ian Cheong: very? [28/12/2014, 3:59:57 PM] Charloppe: so true fact. cant stand tickle torture [28/12/2014, 4:00:01 PM] Peter Coffin: ugh [28/12/2014, 4:00:19 PM] Remy: lol [28/12/2014, 4:00:22 PM] Remy: They were too afraid [28/12/2014, 4:00:24 PM] Remy: To talk to you [28/12/2014, 4:00:31 PM] Dan Olson: If someone wants to try something, sure, I'm on board, let's go, but I'll be content with nothing but the most vanilla stuff. [28/12/2014, 4:00:32 PM] Remy: #BetaAsFuck [28/12/2014, 4:00:48 PM] Remy: They are afraid of your Beta waves, bro [28/12/2014, 4:00:50 PM] Peter Coffin: really! I know stephen [28/12/2014, 4:00:56 PM] Peter Coffin: so much [28/12/2014, 4:00:56 PM] Tesseract: apparently I'm blocked by ben kuchera and I have no idea how or why [28/12/2014, 4:01:01 PM] Charloppe: damnit the song [28/12/2014, 4:01:04 PM] Charloppe: its stuck [28/12/2014, 4:01:05 PM] Charloppe: again [28/12/2014, 4:01:06 PM] Peter Coffin: like how do you call ME beta and avoid my that much [28/12/2014, 4:01:17 PM] Remy: XD fucking Gaters, they never fail to take the lowest road [28/12/2014, 4:01:22 PM] Dina : Charlotte I might be your nemesis; I am literally impossible to tickle [28/12/2014, 4:01:41 PM] Charloppe: im very easy to tickle [28/12/2014, 4:01:43 PM] Quinnae: Moleball time. throws Charlotte at Dina Catch! [28/12/2014, 4:01:51 PM] Ian Cheong: There's a number of things I don't like disclosing about myself because Gators will use it as a way to attack me. [28/12/2014, 4:01:53 PM] Charloppe: ETTTTTTTTTTHICS [28/12/2014, 4:01:55 PM] Dina : Dina staggers but catches [28/12/2014, 4:02:02 PM] Dina : eeee so cute <3 [28/12/2014, 4:02:09 PM] Tesseract: Tesseract throws self out window [28/12/2014, 4:02:16 PM] Dina : Tess NO [28/12/2014, 4:02:18 PM] Charloppe: gg mole at your service [28/12/2014, 4:02:46 PM] Dina : I'm afraid to move so I don't tickle you now. We might be stuck like this. [28/12/2014, 4:02:51 PM] Dina : ._. [28/12/2014, 4:02:55 PM] Charloppe: good [28/12/2014, 4:02:59 PM] Charloppe: tickles aremean [28/12/2014, 4:03:06 PM] Dina : xD [28/12/2014, 4:03:14 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: oh my, i come back from playing isaac [28/12/2014, 4:03:15 PM] Dan Olson: I feel like I just wandered into the Deeprun Tram. [28/12/2014, 4:03:17 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: and charloppe is on dina [28/12/2014, 4:03:18 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: what happened [28/12/2014, 4:03:23 PM] Ian Cheong: Haha Dan [28/12/2014, 4:03:23 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: hahaha dan [28/12/2014, 4:03:27 PM] Quinnae: laughs Dan [28/12/2014, 4:03:27 PM] Charloppe: ethics [28/12/2014, 4:03:27 PM] Dina : Kath happened [28/12/2014, 4:03:29 PM] Ian Cheong: I feel the same way. [28/12/2014, 4:03:38 PM] Dina : Dan idk what that means [28/12/2014, 4:03:42 PM] Quinnae: I apologise for making the chat lewd. [28/12/2014, 4:03:46 PM] Dina : I'm sorry I'm uncultured [28/12/2014, 4:03:53 PM] Dina : ;-; [28/12/2014, 4:03:59 PM] Charloppe: im not sorry [28/12/2014, 4:04:07 PM] Charloppe: cause mole [28/12/2014, 4:04:07 PM] Quinnae: The Deeprun Tram is a subway tunnel of sorts in World of Warcraft that was a popular and much-loathed cybersex hotspot. [28/12/2014, 4:04:16 PM] Dan Olson: It's a WoW joke. There's a generally-abandoned area in one of the major cities where people would often go to RP cyber [28/12/2014, 4:04:26 PM] Dina : (also I'm holding a cute GG mole now so I'm pretty happy) [28/12/2014, 4:04:34 PM] Dina : ooooh [28/12/2014, 4:04:43 PM] Dina : never had love for WoW [28/12/2014, 4:05:00 PM] Charloppe: moles cant play wow [28/12/2014, 4:05:11 PM] Charloppe: mole tried butonly played 3hrs [28/12/2014, 4:05:13 PM] Ian Cheong: You'd see two characters sitting clothesless, probably PMing each other. [28/12/2014, 4:05:20 PM] SF: Why exactly would people cybersex in WoW [28/12/2014, 4:05:30 PM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 4:05:32 PM] Ian Cheong: People are horny. [28/12/2014, 4:05:42 PM] Quinnae: http://www.nj-pbem.com/data/Gods/gnomegods/Urdlen_symbol.jpg <- Charlotte. [28/12/2014, 4:05:43 PM] SF: Emphasis on the in WoW part [28/12/2014, 4:05:45 PM] Remy: And they don't know about... literally anything else [28/12/2014, 4:05:54 PM] Charloppe: KATHERINE [28/12/2014, 4:05:57 PM] Charloppe: again!? [28/12/2014, 4:06:00 PM] Charloppe: stop doxxing [28/12/2014, 4:06:06 PM] Quinnae: I wrote an article about this, actually. [28/12/2014, 4:06:22 PM] Dina : SF I'm asking myself the same question [28/12/2014, 4:06:26 PM] Quinnae: http://bitchmagazine.org/article/lets-get-digital-gaming-erotic-roleplaying-rpg-sex A feature in last season's Bitch Magazine. [28/12/2014, 4:06:26 PM] Dina : mIRC ftw [28/12/2014, 4:06:36 PM] Quinnae: It will answer all or none of your questions. [28/12/2014, 4:06:43 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: rofl katherine [28/12/2014, 4:06:47 PM] Dina : OMG cute little mole!!! *hugs tight* [28/12/2014, 4:06:49 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: oh god goldshire ;-;; [28/12/2014, 4:06:54 PM] Ian Cheong: goldshire inn [28/12/2014, 4:07:01 PM] Remy: O.O [28/12/2014, 4:07:03 PM] Remy: OMG CHARLOTTE [28/12/2014, 4:07:05 PM] Charloppe: gasp! dina help i was doxxed [28/12/2014, 4:07:12 PM] Remy: I FIGURED OUT YOUR COMIC BOOK CHARACTER [28/12/2014, 4:07:16 PM] Remy: YOU'RE A MOLE [28/12/2014, 4:07:18 PM] Charloppe: do tell [28/12/2014, 4:07:22 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: katherine charloppe is shocked at your perviness [28/12/2014, 4:07:22 PM] Charloppe: YEEEEEEEEES [28/12/2014, 4:07:24 PM] Dan Olson: Because if I'm going to be farming up the Stormshroud helm pattern (0.01% drop off a tiny set of mobs in one zone) and Darkmistress is online and also going to be farming garbage all night, why not make things a bit more bearable with some saucy chat. [28/12/2014, 4:07:39 PM] Dina : LOL Dan [28/12/2014, 4:07:40 PM] Remy: NO I MEAN YOU'RE LITERALLY A MOLE [28/12/2014, 4:07:51 PM] Dina : like on aa face mole? [28/12/2014, 4:07:53 PM] Quinnae: What perviness is this? [28/12/2014, 4:07:53 PM] SF: yo dog I heard you like grinding [28/12/2014, 4:07:55 PM] Charloppe: but i am literally a mole [28/12/2014, 4:08:04 PM] Dina : SF I'm dying don't [28/12/2014, 4:08:06 PM] Ian Cheong: So I literally can't relate to people who talk about sex. [28/12/2014, 4:08:07 PM] Remy: You and I are so on the same page Charlotte [28/12/2014, 4:08:09 PM] Dina : "ayyy lmao" [28/12/2014, 4:08:12 PM] Ian Cheong: I'm never horny. [28/12/2014, 4:08:12 PM] Dina : ^FULL CIRCLE [28/12/2014, 4:08:13 PM] Ian Cheong: :/ [28/12/2014, 4:08:21 PM] Dina : what. I'm always horny. [28/12/2014, 4:08:23 PM] Remy: I hope we become fast friends <3 [28/12/2014, 4:08:24 PM] Dina : um [28/12/2014, 4:08:25 PM] Ian Cheong: I guess I'm asexual haha. [28/12/2014, 4:08:26 PM] Charloppe: does mole bow [28/12/2014, 4:08:30 PM] Dan Olson: That sounds equal parts horrible and convenient. [28/12/2014, 4:08:31 PM] Remy: Dina is also on the same page as me [28/12/2014, 4:08:34 PM] Charloppe: of course! [28/12/2014, 4:08:37 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: wow perviness! [28/12/2014, 4:08:40 PM] SF: Be grateful as the world weighs lighter on you. [28/12/2014, 4:08:44 PM] Ian Cheong: well i'm not asexual though, no. [28/12/2014, 4:08:47 PM] Ian Cheong: But someone did call me that. [28/12/2014, 4:08:47 PM] SF: It's kind of exhausting. [28/12/2014, 4:08:49 PM] Ian Cheong: I got annoyed! [28/12/2014, 4:09:04 PM] Ian Cheong: I just don't get horny. [28/12/2014, 4:09:09 PM] Dina : hm [28/12/2014, 4:09:14 PM] Quinnae: I'm neither confirming nor denying WoW "perviness," merely pointing out that I've written on the subject of erotic RP subcultures in gaming. [28/12/2014, 4:09:20 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: sure sure [28/12/2014, 4:09:21 PM] Dina : well what actually gets you horny? [28/12/2014, 4:09:23 PM] Dan Olson: I'm not a fan of "asexual" if only because it makes me think of microbes. [28/12/2014, 4:09:26 PM] Charloppe: katherine why you dox? [28/12/2014, 4:09:35 PM] Quinnae: Because you're cute, Charlotte. pets [28/12/2014, 4:09:39 PM] Charloppe: i thought we were mole friends [28/12/2014, 4:09:42 PM] Charloppe: purrs [28/12/2014, 4:09:45 PM] Ian Cheong: Hmmm, I don't know Dina. [28/12/2014, 4:09:45 PM] Charloppe: mole purr [28/12/2014, 4:09:52 PM] Ian Cheong: I haven't dated anyone in years. [28/12/2014, 4:09:58 PM] Dina : I am the only girl in TTRPG group and I'm worried because the GM wrote this other dude as my ex and I don't want to RP romance out loud because they'll know I'm lewd help [28/12/2014, 4:10:04 PM] SF: You should just make up having some horrible fetish to see how long it takes for Arthur Chu to get accused of having it. [28/12/2014, 4:10:04 PM] Remy: You know what games always had the dirtiest sexual RP subcultures? MUCKS [28/12/2014, 4:10:12 PM] Remy: MUDDS, what-have-you [28/12/2014, 4:10:21 PM] Remy: When everyone was together but still forced to use text and imagination [28/12/2014, 4:10:24 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe hides in ground and eats tubers [28/12/2014, 4:10:28 PM] Dan Olson: Dina: shock them into submission. [28/12/2014, 4:10:36 PM] Dina : lmao [28/12/2014, 4:10:45 PM] Dina : aw I lost my cute little mole [28/12/2014, 4:10:49 PM] Dina : she burrowed away [28/12/2014, 4:11:02 PM] Dan Olson: Establish dominance, let them know they will never, ever out lewd you. [28/12/2014, 4:11:14 PM] Dina : oh they won't [28/12/2014, 4:11:14 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe takes katherines shrimp for great justice [28/12/2014, 4:11:25 PM] Quinnae: I have a high def photo of Charlotte, actually: http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/10/22/shutterstock_mole.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg [28/12/2014, 4:11:36 PM] Charloppe: KATHERINE [28/12/2014, 4:11:38 PM] Charloppe: WHY [28/12/2014, 4:11:40 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: HIGH DEF DOXXING [28/12/2014, 4:11:40 PM] Charloppe: STOP [28/12/2014, 4:11:49 PM] SF: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080524185458/bloodyroar/images/thumb/4/4b/BakuryuAnimalBR.jpg/300px-BakuryuAnimalBR.jpg [28/12/2014, 4:11:54 PM] Dina : omg the cutenessssss [28/12/2014, 4:11:58 PM] Charloppe: im fat as fuck in that one [28/12/2014, 4:12:01 PM] Charloppe: just stop [28/12/2014, 4:12:02 PM] Charloppe: qq [28/12/2014, 4:12:07 PM] Dan Olson: Should have gone for golden mole http://www.afrotheria.net/golden-moles/images/Eremitalpa_157_Edited.jpg [28/12/2014, 4:12:16 PM] Dan Olson: (they swim through the sand) [28/12/2014, 4:12:17 PM] Dina : EEEE [28/12/2014, 4:12:22 PM] Dina : I'm dying... [28/12/2014, 4:12:23 PM] Quinnae: So much cuteness! [28/12/2014, 4:12:29 PM] Dina : this Golden mole is killing me... [28/12/2014, 4:12:31 PM] Charloppe: i was going through my butch phase there [28/12/2014, 4:12:34 PM] SF: https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-k0fb5qkWe4M%2FTb8sTZrK-mI%2FAAAAAAAALxA%2F7yuI7pfGZ4E%2Fs800%2FMole%252BSauce%252B500%252B0805.jpg&f=1 [28/12/2014, 4:12:36 PM] Charloppe: dont judge [28/12/2014, 4:12:48 PM] Dina : ._. [28/12/2014, 4:12:55 PM] Dina : Mole... sauce? [28/12/2014, 4:13:07 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe narrows eyes [28/12/2014, 4:13:11 PM] Dina : that's a thing? [28/12/2014, 4:13:22 PM] Dina : also hm so many dirty jokes [28/12/2014, 4:13:30 PM] Dina : Dina side eyes Charlotte [28/12/2014, 4:13:39 PM] SF: It's neither pronounced similarly nor made of moles. [28/12/2014, 4:13:47 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe hides from being mole sauce [28/12/2014, 4:13:48 PM] Dina : oh boo [28/12/2014, 4:14:20 PM] Dina : is that actual chocolate tho? [28/12/2014, 4:14:26 PM] Quinnae: Who stole my shrimp? [28/12/2014, 4:14:35 PM] Charloppe: who doxxed me? [28/12/2014, 4:14:51 PM] Quinnae: Ethics, Charlotte! It's about ethics! [28/12/2014, 4:14:57 PM] Quinnae: In you being adorably furry. [28/12/2014, 4:15:06 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe pokes dead horse with stick [28/12/2014, 4:15:17 PM] SF: Chocolate mole sauce exists and is wonderful! [28/12/2014, 4:15:28 PM] Charloppe: course im furry im a mole [28/12/2014, 4:15:39 PM] Charloppe: dont make me into a coat tho [28/12/2014, 4:15:46 PM] Charloppe: gg moles are rare [28/12/2014, 4:15:47 PM] Quinnae: I won't, I promise. pets [28/12/2014, 4:15:52 PM] Charloppe: mole purrs [28/12/2014, 4:15:59 PM] Ian Cheong: moles can purr? [28/12/2014, 4:15:59 PM] Remy: ^_^ [28/12/2014, 4:16:06 PM] Charloppe: gg moles can [28/12/2014, 4:16:17 PM] Dina : also while the chat is calm, SF who are you on Twitter? [28/12/2014, 4:16:21 PM] Dina : (sorry I'm slow) [28/12/2014, 4:16:38 PM] Ian Cheong: http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/Are-You-Demi-Romantic-%28Definition-Inside%29/1210659 [28/12/2014, 4:16:42 PM] Ian Cheong: So this describes me. [28/12/2014, 4:16:50 PM] Ian Cheong: I guess I'm asexual-demiromantic. [28/12/2014, 4:16:54 PM] Remy: Fortunately for you, Charlotte, Sarah's power is beast boy-style shapeshifting [28/12/2014, 4:17:02 PM] Remy: But you are a mole [28/12/2014, 4:17:06 PM] Remy: And are also a master of disguise [28/12/2014, 4:17:11 PM] SF: @gameappmakerco [28/12/2014, 4:17:13 PM] Remy: b/c mole [28/12/2014, 4:17:25 PM] SF: I'm kind of a nobody, I ended up in the chat through just complaining about GG a lot I guess. [28/12/2014, 4:17:27 PM] Charloppe: nobody suspects me [28/12/2014, 4:17:37 PM] Ian Cheong: It's one of those definitions that GGers laugh at because it sounds like a tumblrism. [28/12/2014, 4:18:06 PM] Remy: So now I have to figure out how a mole would decide to join a band of superheroes. [28/12/2014, 4:18:15 PM] Dina : SF ok already got you on Twitter <3 [28/12/2014, 4:18:31 PM] Quinnae: I do look forward to seeing this when it's done, Stephen. [28/12/2014, 4:18:42 PM] Remy: lol fingers crossed [28/12/2014, 4:18:46 PM] Dina : Stephen WHY wouldn't a mole? [28/12/2014, 4:18:55 PM] Remy: Still figuring out the characters [28/12/2014, 4:19:04 PM] Remy: But I've got the major plot arcs fleshed out I think [28/12/2014, 4:19:05 PM] Ian Cheong: It bugs the shit out of me to see PixieJenni attacked for her asexuality. [28/12/2014, 4:19:12 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe is liking mole story [28/12/2014, 4:19:17 PM] Quinnae: Likewise, Ian. [28/12/2014, 4:19:30 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: yeah :( jenni's awesome. i hope she's okay, was nervous when she locked her account down [28/12/2014, 4:19:33 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: hope nothing happened [28/12/2014, 4:19:53 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: hmm [28/12/2014, 4:19:57 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: GG hates women for both being sexual and asexual, now [28/12/2014, 4:20:02 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: that article up there reminds me [28/12/2014, 4:20:09 PM] Remy: That makes sense, Sarah [28/12/2014, 4:20:09 PM] Charloppe: sarah is most sexual [28/12/2014, 4:20:17 PM] Remy: Either one implies that the woman has made the choice for herself [28/12/2014, 4:20:18 PM] Ian Cheong: I imagine they'd attack me for being asexual too. [28/12/2014, 4:20:23 PM] Quinnae: "Account is only protected til the new year - just to give myself an enforced break over Christmas :)" She's fine. :) [28/12/2014, 4:20:24 PM] Ian Cheong: Because why not, right? [28/12/2014, 4:20:26 PM] Dina : I have to admit I understand nothing of asexuality. Pixiejenni was probably the first person I saw openly discuss it [28/12/2014, 4:20:38 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: A- Wasn't there some very early, very shortlived MMO whose big claim to fame was doling out XP for having sex with other players? [28/12/2014, 4:20:49 PM] Dina : Sarah is Allsexual? [28/12/2014, 4:20:53 PM] Quinnae: Well, to be blunt, what a lot of GGers seem to hate is that women have any choice in how we orient our sexuality. [28/12/2014, 4:20:53 PM] Remy: Or at the very least they will object to any woman taking an effort to define her own sexuality [28/12/2014, 4:20:57 PM] Ian Cheong: being asexual doesn't mean I don't want to be with someone, btw. [28/12/2014, 4:21:06 PM] Dina : I know, Ian [28/12/2014, 4:21:09 PM] Remy: effort? I mean... stand? [28/12/2014, 4:21:13 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: nod katherine [28/12/2014, 4:21:14 PM] Dina : I've educated myself since lol [28/12/2014, 4:21:31 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: the only acceptable expression of women's sexuality for them is one that involves them [28/12/2014, 4:21:38 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: B- It really is weird looking at those first few Pathfinder APs when they were just doing an original campaign setting instead of full on "fan-patched D&D3.5" [28/12/2014, 4:21:49 PM] Remy: My brain doesn't reach for the right words? I always think of my brain as a man reaching in the pantry for something late at night. Can't really see so sometimes I think I'm making Chicken soup and I end up with a bowl full of condensed milk [28/12/2014, 4:21:51 PM] Charloppe: sarah is ggsexual [28/12/2014, 4:21:54 PM] Ian Cheong: And the only acceptable expression of men's sexuality is to be a horny bro who wants to fuck everything on two legs. [28/12/2014, 4:22:02 PM] Dina : Dina slowly pokes Charlotte with a feather [28/12/2014, 4:22:15 PM] Remy: They both started with the letter C so that's probably why [28/12/2014, 4:22:27 PM] Charloppe: hello! [28/12/2014, 4:22:32 PM] Charloppe: im a mole [28/12/2014, 4:22:37 PM] SF: Yeah they just hate agency. [28/12/2014, 4:22:42 PM] Dina : Ian as said horny bro I apologize for my fellow gross meatheads [28/12/2014, 4:22:54 PM] Ian Cheong: hehehe no need to apologize. [28/12/2014, 4:22:56 PM] Dina : we don't use brains much [28/12/2014, 4:23:12 PM] Quinnae: hugs Ian [28/12/2014, 4:23:17 PM] Ian Cheong: thanks kath [28/12/2014, 4:23:19 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe gets feather [28/12/2014, 4:23:22 PM] Remy: It still boggles my mind that Paizo was able to basically fan-patch D&D and sell it as their own [28/12/2014, 4:23:31 PM] Remy: I love that game though [28/12/2014, 4:23:33 PM] Dina : (side note Kath that article is great and the illustration is making me flustered) [28/12/2014, 4:23:38 PM] Remy: And their dedication to inclusiveness, from what I can tell [28/12/2014, 4:23:55 PM] Quinnae: Aww, thanks Dina, and yes that's my favourite illustration of all the ones done for Bitch Mag so far. :) [28/12/2014, 4:23:59 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: It still blows my mind that I have a book here from the biggest PP RPG company out there, containing a stat block that starts off with "Female alu-demon submissive 5" [28/12/2014, 4:24:18 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: breaking things down, that is Gender, race, class, level. [28/12/2014, 4:24:18 PM] Quinnae: I've written a lot for the magazine and got some great art done for each of my features, but that takes the cake. [28/12/2014, 4:24:29 PM] Remy: Hey, you know what I would like to see? During my Pathfinder days I was able to play and DM sessions form far away by hosting games online [28/12/2014, 4:24:41 PM] Remy: But everyone did it with a combination of the online board & audio, sometimes even video [28/12/2014, 4:24:42 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and yeah, Paizo is a really great company run by really great people and I still would really love to work there sometime [28/12/2014, 4:24:51 PM] Remy: I always wanted to see it done solely through text [28/12/2014, 4:24:59 PM] Remy: In order to encourage descriptiveness? [28/12/2014, 4:25:01 PM] SF: NWN was just a bit too ahead of its time with the online dungeon master controls. [28/12/2014, 4:25:08 PM] Ian Cheong: Coming out as asexual isn't an easy thing to do, especially when you have to admit it to yourself. Feels weird, you know? Because of societal expectations. [28/12/2014, 4:25:18 PM] Dina : I can describe genital bumping for days [28/12/2014, 4:25:22 PM] SF: Oh for sure. Especially when it's not taken seirously. [28/12/2014, 4:25:27 PM] Dina : fanfiction.net alumni [28/12/2014, 4:25:36 PM] Remy: Go ahead, Dina, nobody is stopping you [28/12/2014, 4:25:39 PM] Remy: This is a safe space? [28/12/2014, 4:25:42 PM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 4:25:45 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe waits for dina to start talking bout genital bumping [28/12/2014, 4:25:53 PM] Dina : Ian *hugs tight* [28/12/2014, 4:25:58 PM] SF: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10256912/1/will-teach-you-about-grammar Here's the best fanfiction I ever wrote. [28/12/2014, 4:26:02 PM] Ian Cheong: thank you dina [28/12/2014, 4:26:10 PM] Dina : Charlotte, you enabler ._. [28/12/2014, 4:26:21 PM] Quinnae: Yeah, Ian, it's tremendously difficult, especially with all the social expectations heaped on men, as you said. I'm sorry you have to deal with that. [28/12/2014, 4:26:26 PM] Charloppe: im a mole [28/12/2014, 4:26:36 PM] Quinnae: I really do wish we could all be our sexual selves without shame or strife. [28/12/2014, 4:26:37 PM] Dina : You've all already read the best fan fiction I ever wrote Aurini/Skully [28/12/2014, 4:26:37 PM] Remy: Katherine if you want to be/inspire a comic book character you have to send me your recommendations/designs :3 [28/12/2014, 4:26:47 PM] Ian Cheong: This chat is the first time I came out to anyone as asexual, btw. [28/12/2014, 4:26:53 PM] Quinnae: Hehe, as you wish Stephen. [28/12/2014, 4:26:57 PM] SF: Oh that's really touching you'd trust us like that! [28/12/2014, 4:27:05 PM] Ian Cheong: I could never admit it to myself. [28/12/2014, 4:27:09 PM] Dina : Ian ;-; <3 [28/12/2014, 4:27:15 PM] Quinnae: Aw, Ian, well I'm touched, personally. curtsies I shall keep your confidence. hugs [28/12/2014, 4:27:18 PM] Dina : thank you for trusting us [28/12/2014, 4:27:21 PM] Charloppe: im glad you felt comfortable to share ian [28/12/2014, 4:27:40 PM] Ian Cheong: Thank you for listening. [28/12/2014, 4:27:44 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: A big part of it is how they go and do stuff like this- http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lgcn?Meet-the-Iconics-Shardra-Geltl and that thing where they sent a big pile of relevant books to a trans woman fan as a coming out gift, but mainly I just really like how they streamlined class customization and know how to write solid published adventures [28/12/2014, 4:27:55 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and, "coming out" as asexual is a thing now? [28/12/2014, 4:28:05 PM] Peter Coffin: that’s awesome ian [28/12/2014, 4:28:19 PM] SF: Well if it's a secret at one point, it has to no longer be at some point. That's coming out. [28/12/2014, 4:28:43 PM] Dina : it's a pretty hefty thing to admit for a man, given the societal expectations leaped on for fucking everything that moves ever [28/12/2014, 4:28:53 PM] Dina : including moles. [28/12/2014, 4:29:01 PM] Dina : and Butts. [28/12/2014, 4:29:05 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe is very sexy sexual mole [28/12/2014, 4:29:13 PM] Ian Cheong: I'll never have to deal with homophobia or transphobia, though. So I still have that privilege. [28/12/2014, 4:29:54 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: glad you felt comfortable enough to share it with us ian <3 [28/12/2014, 4:30:08 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i don't know you guys all that well on a personal level but i'm super happy i met all of you ~ [28/12/2014, 4:30:18 PM] Charloppe: who are you? [28/12/2014, 4:30:26 PM] SF: Hahaha [28/12/2014, 4:30:27 PM] Dina : I'm a pretty terrible person IRL [28/12/2014, 4:30:32 PM] Dina : sorry [28/12/2014, 4:30:35 PM] SF: This is my RL. [28/12/2014, 4:30:45 PM] Peter Coffin: I am also sarah, a lot of people here I do not know personally still but you are all amazing [28/12/2014, 4:30:57 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: psh dina [28/12/2014, 4:31:13 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe gives dina mole hug [28/12/2014, 4:31:27 PM] SF: It's weird to me being in this social space with people I knew *of* before, like Zoe and Dina. [28/12/2014, 4:31:30 PM] Dina : I just spit roasted a baby and am currently eating it [28/12/2014, 4:31:40 PM] Ian Cheong: Babies taste best. [28/12/2014, 4:31:42 PM] SF: But they were these caricatures. Barely living entities, just like, forces of nature. [28/12/2014, 4:31:42 PM] Dina : SF, same! [28/12/2014, 4:31:42 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: yeah [28/12/2014, 4:31:46 PM] Ian Cheong: " - Captain America [28/12/2014, 4:32:01 PM] Quinnae: I certainly shan't object if we all bond over this experience. smiles [28/12/2014, 4:32:10 PM] Charloppe: i was known by all already [28/12/2014, 4:32:17 PM] Charloppe: cause mole [28/12/2014, 4:32:29 PM] Quinnae: picks Charlotte up and tucks her beneath her arm [28/12/2014, 4:32:40 PM] Charloppe: nooooooo im sorry [28/12/2014, 4:33:05 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe squirms thens stops [28/12/2014, 4:33:13 PM] Quinnae: sets down [28/12/2014, 4:33:16 PM] SF: I meant to ask Dina about that whole Mighty Number 9 thing actually if she isn't sick of it already. Like, was there ANYTHING they were objecting to beyond a piece of fanart? [28/12/2014, 4:33:17 PM] Dina : um [28/12/2014, 4:33:31 PM] Ian Cheong: She's a feminist. They object to that. [28/12/2014, 4:33:32 PM] SF: Like these are people that are big fans of rule 63 so like, I didn't get the outrage. [28/12/2014, 4:33:34 PM] Dina : oh ask away, I never got to publicly defend myself [28/12/2014, 4:33:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: well, banning creeps from the forums [28/12/2014, 4:33:46 PM] SF: Yeah but they didn't know she was yet did they? [28/12/2014, 4:33:46 PM] Dina : in fact I was explicitly forbidden to ;D [28/12/2014, 4:33:47 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe growls at stupid internet ppl trying to be a butt to dina [28/12/2014, 4:33:55 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: as some sort of evil feminist witch and all that [28/12/2014, 4:34:00 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: their MO is basically 1) find outspoken feminist 2) make up lies about them 3) move on to new target [28/12/2014, 4:34:01 PM] Peter Coffin: wait dina is the mighty no. 9 community manager? [28/12/2014, 4:34:05 PM] Ian Cheong: yes peter [28/12/2014, 4:34:06 PM] Dina : SGG we could not figure out how to ban because the forums were broken until 2 months in [28/12/2014, 4:34:17 PM] Peter Coffin: oh that is fucking awesome, you rule so fucking much dina [28/12/2014, 4:34:20 PM] Dina : so I had to moderate abusers for 2 months [28/12/2014, 4:34:24 PM] Dina : hi Peter haha [28/12/2014, 4:34:27 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts hugs :( [28/12/2014, 4:34:31 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and I think the outrage wasn't so much because rule 63 but for blasphemously WESTERN looking rule-63 [28/12/2014, 4:34:33 PM] Dina : Butt hugs!! <3 [28/12/2014, 4:34:38 PM] Peter Coffin: I donated to mn9 [28/12/2014, 4:34:49 PM] Quinnae: hugs Dina [28/12/2014, 4:34:51 PM] SF: I wonder if I should do the Based Mom thing and describe myself as an MRA but shit all over them constantly. [28/12/2014, 4:34:53 PM] Ian Cheong: Ian Cheong has played MN9, the beta is really fun [28/12/2014, 4:35:02 PM] Dina : SGG, the outrage was because I said when I was a backer that I'd like a playable female option Beck actually haha [28/12/2014, 4:35:06 PM] Peter Coffin: I haven’t [28/12/2014, 4:35:07 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: like, how dare you go all We Can Do It! poster and not all big/no-breasted vapid anime girl you inhuman monster? [28/12/2014, 4:35:27 PM] Remy: counter-revolutionaries [28/12/2014, 4:35:29 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: after how dina said she was treated i wouldn't even feel right buying the game :\ [28/12/2014, 4:35:30 PM] SF: Oh so it was something different but still very much a non-issue. [28/12/2014, 4:35:30 PM] Remy: all of them [28/12/2014, 4:35:35 PM] SF: Thanks for sating my curiosity at any rate. [28/12/2014, 4:35:35 PM] Dina : yeah there was def some of that too [28/12/2014, 4:35:37 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: oh yeah, did the playable Not!Roll tier ever get hit? I can't remember [28/12/2014, 4:35:38 PM] Charloppe: omg that will ruin game. sees shovel knight getting gender swap mode. noooooooooo [28/12/2014, 4:35:40 PM] Peter Coffin: mn9 and hyper light drifter are the two I donated to that I want most [28/12/2014, 4:35:52 PM] Dina : SGG yeah it did but she only gets one stage lol [28/12/2014, 4:36:03 PM] Dina : You all have no fucking idea how sexist my employer is [28/12/2014, 4:36:17 PM] Dina : and what I had to do to get them to 1) change no.2 into a girl [28/12/2014, 4:36:29 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: also wait, won't feel right buying the game? [28/12/2014, 4:36:38 PM] Ian Cheong: You got them to GASP CHANGE THEIR VISION OF A CHARACTER? [28/12/2014, 4:36:39 PM] Dina : 2) make Beck's rival Ray into a black woman presenting androgynous [28/12/2014, 4:36:51 PM] Peter Coffin: you had to sjw [28/12/2014, 4:36:52 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ah [28/12/2014, 4:36:59 PM] Charloppe: that sounds cool [28/12/2014, 4:37:03 PM] Peter Coffin: and sjw game is bad [28/12/2014, 4:37:06 PM] Peter Coffin: grrrrrr [28/12/2014, 4:37:17 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Well, that's a sad thing to learn [28/12/2014, 4:37:21 PM] Dina : 3) add another big character as female which I can't tell you about because they have not been revealed yet [28/12/2014, 4:37:31 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: although good for you [28/12/2014, 4:37:36 PM] Dina : oh MN9 still has the trademark japanese underlying sexism [28/12/2014, 4:37:42 PM] Ian Cheong: You're enacting change from within. [28/12/2014, 4:37:42 PM] Quinnae: Heh, nicely done, Dina. I am so very sorry about everything you had to endure though. I first heard about all this from MiB, I'm afraid I missed all of this as it was happening. [28/12/2014, 4:37:43 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: well yeah [28/12/2014, 4:37:45 PM] Charloppe: i appreciate you for speaking up dina [28/12/2014, 4:38:09 PM] Peter Coffin: yeah, honestly it’s not difficult to believe coming from a company headed by the guy who made mega MAN [28/12/2014, 4:38:09 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: that's awesome you were able to influence things, dina. sorry things were so hard for you :( [28/12/2014, 4:38:17 PM] Peter Coffin: but it’s so awesome you did this [28/12/2014, 4:38:27 PM] Dina : yeah I'm not gonna tell you about my boss in particular because HOLY SHIT [28/12/2014, 4:38:45 PM] Dina : thank you... Iwas just gonna keep my head down and not say anything SJW-ey when I first got the job [28/12/2014, 4:38:57 PM] Dina : but after they tried to get me fired/kill myself [28/12/2014, 4:39:02 PM] Dina : I went full feminist [28/12/2014, 4:39:09 PM] Dina : and it kinda worked haha [28/12/2014, 4:39:13 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: #FullFeminist [28/12/2014, 4:39:16 PM] SF: They really do only create what they seek to destroy. [28/12/2014, 4:39:19 PM] Ian Cheong: #fullMcIntosh [28/12/2014, 4:39:23 PM] Dina : but I'm definitely at the end of my rope now ^^; [28/12/2014, 4:39:27 PM] Charloppe: #fullmole [28/12/2014, 4:39:27 PM] Dina : lol Ian [28/12/2014, 4:39:38 PM] Dina : #fullholes [28/12/2014, 4:39:40 PM] Quinnae: hugs Dina [28/12/2014, 4:39:42 PM] Dina : ...sorry [28/12/2014, 4:39:43 PM] SF: Your boss being who I think it is I assume. [28/12/2014, 4:39:46 PM] Peter Coffin: sorry dina [28/12/2014, 4:39:48 PM] Dina : *hugs* [28/12/2014, 4:39:56 PM] SF: I'm really sorry to hear all that either way, ugh. [28/12/2014, 4:39:59 PM] Quinnae: Always, always go FullPetiteMistress. [28/12/2014, 4:40:05 PM] Peter Coffin: agreed [28/12/2014, 4:40:09 PM] Dina : my boss is Keiji Inafune. A nice man, but a man borne out of his own time and society at the end of the day [28/12/2014, 4:40:24 PM] Remy: Aww I was AFK I'm so sorry to hear you have a sexist boss :( [28/12/2014, 4:40:32 PM] Dina : (he's been really good to me personally just to be clear) [28/12/2014, 4:40:41 PM] Dina : it's just the general ambience [28/12/2014, 4:40:53 PM] Remy: OMG the other day my husband's boss said the most disgusting thing to another employee [28/12/2014, 4:41:03 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: there IS a certain degree of culture clash there too, presumably [28/12/2014, 4:41:08 PM] Charloppe: :/ im glad inafune isnt being horrible to you [28/12/2014, 4:41:23 PM] Ian Cheong: im glad inafune isn't a bad dude. [28/12/2014, 4:41:28 PM] Ian Cheong: even if he is a relic of the ages [28/12/2014, 4:41:29 PM] Remy: She went up to another woman (a subordinate) and asked "Are you pregnant? Because you're getting fat" [28/12/2014, 4:41:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Japan in general is... kinda not great with respectful depictions of women in things [28/12/2014, 4:41:36 PM] Charloppe: yeah that would hurt to hear ian [28/12/2014, 4:41:48 PM] Ian Cheong: i grew up on Mega Man [28/12/2014, 4:41:59 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: also gay and trans folk [28/12/2014, 4:42:00 PM] Peter Coffin: same ian [28/12/2014, 4:42:13 PM] Peter Coffin: japan is clueless with women [28/12/2014, 4:42:17 PM] Dina : SGG you don't know the half of it [28/12/2014, 4:42:25 PM] Dina : it's been hell working here [28/12/2014, 4:42:31 PM] Dina : but a pleasure studying tbh [28/12/2014, 4:42:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ... which is why I'm still on the fence about maybe writing some rambling thing about Kamen Rider Wizard [28/12/2014, 4:42:43 PM] Peter Coffin: I have watched a lot of anime and just from that I can tell you it’s horrifying for women in japan [28/12/2014, 4:42:43 PM] SF: Japan kinda isn't great with real women either. [28/12/2014, 4:42:48 PM] Remy: I wonder though [28/12/2014, 4:43:01 PM] Dina : The type of stuff comcept makes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BuVfeDhQHI [28/12/2014, 4:43:11 PM] Remy: If people start producing more women-positive media, will the women of Japan start showing that in their consumption? [28/12/2014, 4:43:24 PM] Remy: And, more importantly, would Japanese media studios pay attention? [28/12/2014, 4:43:36 PM] Dina : the women of Japan bless their heart should have been fighting an uphill battle and I respect them so fucking much [28/12/2014, 4:43:55 PM] SF: I'll be surprised if we can get America to accept it. [28/12/2014, 4:43:56 PM] Dina : the media and society in general are all about the status quo and "not making waves" [28/12/2014, 4:44:26 PM] SF: Yeah isn't that why 2ch was invented? As an outlet without societal pressures to conform. [28/12/2014, 4:44:36 PM] SF: (Though it went radcon much like its children) [28/12/2014, 4:44:37 PM] Quinnae: One of my favourite books in my home library is an anthology entitled simply Japanese Women. It was a Feminist Press text from the early 1990s which, sadly, has not been updated. But it's quite a good primer on gender politics in postwar Japan. [28/12/2014, 4:44:52 PM] Dina : <3 [28/12/2014, 4:45:11 PM] SF: I hate how every time sexism in Japan comes up online some guy says something like "Well my wife is Japanese and she says they don't want Western Feminism there." [28/12/2014, 4:45:21 PM] Remy: Honestly we can always point to solutions like "We need more women in tech, we need more women in politics" [28/12/2014, 4:45:23 PM] Peter Coffin: oh shit connection made [28/12/2014, 4:45:23 PM] SF: Implicitly concluding there is no sexism there and American women are just whiny. [28/12/2014, 4:45:25 PM] Dina : 9______9 [28/12/2014, 4:45:30 PM] Remy: But I feel like we're not really getting to the root of the problem [28/12/2014, 4:45:33 PM] Quinnae: Japan has a long independent feminist tradition. [28/12/2014, 4:45:52 PM] Remy: "We need the world's children to grow up hearing stories and seeing examples of women being treated and accepted as whole beings with agency and freedom" [28/12/2014, 4:45:56 PM] Quinnae: Influenced by the West only inasmuch as, say, the entire Meiji Restoration was influenced by the West. [28/12/2014, 4:45:58 PM] Dina : hi! Middle Eastern woman here, and if I had a penny for every white american using us as a deflector against feminism ARRRGH [28/12/2014, 4:45:58 PM] SF: Yeah it's a nice way to twist a genuine sentiment into meaning the opposite of what it does. [28/12/2014, 4:46:07 PM] Remy: So that it becomes a natural reaction to have women in tech, in politics [28/12/2014, 4:46:07 PM] Peter Coffin: so think about this, how many western MRA/GG LOVE and HAVE GROWN UP ON anime [28/12/2014, 4:46:18 PM] Charloppe: sigh insert murrica here [28/12/2014, 4:46:23 PM] Ian Cheong: There was a survey on reddit's r/mensrights [28/12/2014, 4:46:26 PM] Ian Cheong: to find out what their ages were [28/12/2014, 4:46:32 PM] Ian Cheong: mostof them are 18-19 [28/12/2014, 4:46:33 PM] Remy: oh god [28/12/2014, 4:46:37 PM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 4:46:38 PM] Ian Cheong: white males [28/12/2014, 4:46:41 PM] Remy: gasp [28/12/2014, 4:46:43 PM] Peter Coffin: most likely love anime [28/12/2014, 4:46:47 PM] Peter Coffin: have grown up on anime [28/12/2014, 4:46:55 PM] Peter Coffin: aaaaaaaaaaaaand [28/12/2014, 4:46:59 PM] Peter Coffin: are super misogynistic [28/12/2014, 4:47:01 PM] Dina : but Peter [28/12/2014, 4:47:03 PM] Dina : Peter [28/12/2014, 4:47:05 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: well you see dina, in some parts of the middle east the treatment of women is abhorrent. therefor NO GENDER ISSUES EXIST IN THE WESTERN WORLD. clearly! how can you not see this [28/12/2014, 4:47:09 PM] SF: Rare footage of an MRA in meatspace: https://twitter.com/BigRedDreck/status/548684170289885184 [28/12/2014, 4:47:14 PM] Dina : Think of arab women shackled to camels tho [28/12/2014, 4:47:17 PM] Dina : Peter [28/12/2014, 4:47:19 PM] Charloppe: bad sarah [28/12/2014, 4:47:23 PM] Peter Coffin: lol dina [28/12/2014, 4:47:27 PM] Dina : shouldn't feminism solve THAT first? [28/12/2014, 4:47:27 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe tackles sarah as moleball [28/12/2014, 4:47:34 PM] Quinnae: I'm sorry I keep promoting my writing here, but the film I describe here may be of interest to those who want some hint of that independent Japanese feminism. ;) http://feministing.com/2014/05/15/burning-the-single-story-how-modern-japanese-art-shatters-relativist-myths/ [28/12/2014, 4:47:37 PM] Dina : shame on you, American Feminists! [28/12/2014, 4:47:45 PM] Dina : Kath, yay! <3 [28/12/2014, 4:47:50 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: bookmarked for later reading katherine ^^ [28/12/2014, 4:48:00 PM] Charloppe: im just a femninist padawan qq [28/12/2014, 4:48:02 PM] SF: We should have just assigned our Universal Feminism Points into the Middle East tech tree first. [28/12/2014, 4:48:07 PM] Dina : Sarah <3 lol [28/12/2014, 4:48:12 PM] Charloppe: my sjw powers are not strong [28/12/2014, 4:48:41 PM] Remy: what [28/12/2014, 4:48:46 PM] Remy: Charlotte the force is strong with you [28/12/2014, 4:48:58 PM] Remy: You are the eye of a hurricane of destiny [28/12/2014, 4:48:59 PM] Charloppe: not my sjw powers though [28/12/2014, 4:48:59 PM] Quinnae: pets Charlotte You grow stronger everyday. [28/12/2014, 4:49:03 PM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 4:49:09 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe mole purrs [28/12/2014, 4:49:11 PM] Remy: patient, you must be [28/12/2014, 4:49:17 PM] Peter Coffin: have a tab open with it katherine [28/12/2014, 4:49:20 PM] Quinnae: You, my Snarfybarf, will rise to greatness. [28/12/2014, 4:49:21 PM] Dina : moles purr? ._. [28/12/2014, 4:49:33 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: charloppe sadie will dig you up out of the ground and chase you [28/12/2014, 4:49:34 PM] Ian Cheong: "reals not feels" - yoda [28/12/2014, 4:49:35 PM] Dina : ...Snarfybarf? [28/12/2014, 4:49:40 PM] Charloppe: can i fire sjw lightning? [28/12/2014, 4:49:42 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: rofl ian [28/12/2014, 4:49:45 PM] Dina : LOL Ian [28/12/2014, 4:49:50 PM] Peter Coffin: ian you fucker [28/12/2014, 4:49:52 PM] Peter Coffin: hahahha [28/12/2014, 4:50:15 PM] Charloppe: sarah i was just mole purring [28/12/2014, 4:50:17 PM] Charloppe: so mean [28/12/2014, 4:50:33 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe goes to hide behind katherine [28/12/2014, 4:50:35 PM] SF: We need a roleplaying chat. [28/12/2014, 4:50:38 PM] Remy: she's molepurring [28/12/2014, 4:50:42 PM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 4:50:49 PM] Dina : SF no it would be constant spanking [28/12/2014, 4:50:58 PM] Dina : just hands and Butts [28/12/2014, 4:51:04 PM] Dina : the humanity [28/12/2014, 4:51:05 PM] Remy: XD [28/12/2014, 4:51:09 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe grabs sarahs butt [28/12/2014, 4:51:18 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: oh my [28/12/2014, 4:51:20 PM] Charloppe: teehee get it? [28/12/2014, 4:51:21 PM] Dina : buttception [28/12/2014, 4:51:22 PM] Charloppe: im funny [28/12/2014, 4:51:28 PM] Quinnae: Snarfybarf is my nickname for Charlotte. [28/12/2014, 4:51:44 PM] Quinnae: Her Twitter nick, Nibelsnarfabarf, lent itself to that. ;) [28/12/2014, 4:51:56 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i can't waittttt for new monster hunter [28/12/2014, 4:52:09 PM] Charloppe: it is the best name i ever thought of [28/12/2014, 4:52:35 PM] Dina : haha [28/12/2014, 4:52:45 PM] Dina : I need to get on top everyone's names [28/12/2014, 4:52:59 PM] Dina : it still weirds me out when random on the internet address me as "Dina" [28/12/2014, 4:53:03 PM] Dina : bro you don't know me [28/12/2014, 4:53:10 PM] Dina : you don't know what I been thru [28/12/2014, 4:53:10 PM] Charloppe: hello dina :3 [28/12/2014, 4:53:28 PM] Dina : also I want a cute nickname also Charlotte goddamn why am I nosebleeding [28/12/2014, 4:53:33 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: rofl [28/12/2014, 4:53:48 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe gets a tissue for dinas nosebleed [28/12/2014, 4:53:50 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: FINE FINE DINA i'll never call you dina again </3 [28/12/2014, 4:54:23 PM] Charloppe: your nose is bleeding cause you have discovered mole in your life [28/12/2014, 4:54:43 PM] Dina : I should clarify no one here counts as a rando lol [28/12/2014, 4:54:53 PM] Dina : so feel free to call me Dina [28/12/2014, 4:54:58 PM] Dina : or whatever else you want [28/12/2014, 4:55:04 PM] Quinnae: curtsies [28/12/2014, 4:55:23 PM] Charloppe: wow enforcing the binary again katherine [28/12/2014, 4:55:33 PM] Ian Cheong: the comments in this thread holy shit [28/12/2014, 4:55:34 PM] Ian Cheong: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qlpst/hotwheels_gets_invited_to_write_an_article_on/ [28/12/2014, 4:55:42 PM] Ian Cheong: > white nationalism [28/12/2014, 4:55:44 PM] Ian Cheong: What exactly is wrong with the white race having their own nation? [28/12/2014, 4:55:47 PM] Ian Cheong: endquote. [28/12/2014, 4:55:52 PM] Dina : ... [28/12/2014, 4:55:59 PM] Dina : Dina burns the Internet [28/12/2014, 4:56:50 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe is sorry she be white mole [28/12/2014, 4:57:11 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe gets more gas for burning internet [28/12/2014, 4:57:17 PM] Dina : woohoo! [28/12/2014, 4:57:39 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe gets charizard to use flamethrower [28/12/2014, 4:57:53 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Hahaha a gamergater screencapped one of my bedtime story tweets like "HOW IS THIS GUY A PROFESSIONAL WRITER" [28/12/2014, 4:57:57 PM] Dina : Dina throws in Hotwheels [28/12/2014, 4:58:00 PM] Alex Lifschitz: like, WHIFF [28/12/2014, 4:58:02 PM] Dina : ...too far? [28/12/2014, 4:58:18 PM] Charloppe: considering hes defended cp [28/12/2014, 4:58:21 PM] Charloppe: no feels [28/12/2014, 4:58:26 PM] SF: I saw that hahaha [28/12/2014, 4:58:52 PM] Dina : Charlotte, same [28/12/2014, 4:58:55 PM] Dina : gah [28/12/2014, 4:58:59 PM] Ian Cheong: Kiwikku got banned from kotakuinaction [28/12/2014, 4:59:06 PM] Dina : mom wants to do mom things like spend dad's money [28/12/2014, 4:59:19 PM] Dina : so I'm taking her out [28/12/2014, 4:59:22 PM] Dina : permanently. [28/12/2014, 4:59:22 PM] Charloppe: may he pretend to be black in some other subbreddit [28/12/2014, 4:59:30 PM] Ian Cheong: http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2q0412/a_message_to_gamergate/cn2186s [28/12/2014, 4:59:33 PM] Charloppe: lololol [28/12/2014, 5:00:59 PM] Alex Lifschitz: eyyyy, got a 96% verified follower rating [28/12/2014, 5:01:18 PM] Quinnae: Hah, Charlotte. [28/12/2014, 5:01:46 PM] Dina : whoop [28/12/2014, 5:02:03 PM] Quinnae: And, dear gods, yes, these people tacitly or even explicitly defending white nationalism... it's just plain scary, Ian. I'm genuinely unsettled. [28/12/2014, 5:02:08 PM] Dina : ok gonna hang with the maternal unit so I'll ttyl lovely people <3 [28/12/2014, 5:02:15 PM] Quinnae: Take care, Dina. [28/12/2014, 5:02:16 PM] Quinnae: <3 [28/12/2014, 5:02:20 PM] Charloppe: byyyyyye [28/12/2014, 5:02:31 PM] Remy: I don't know what adiabatic means so I can't tell if that gator used the term correctly [28/12/2014, 5:02:59 PM] Quinnae: This is the logical endpoint of unchecked, context-agnostic free speech zealotry; it leaves no room for moral considerations (ironically enough, in this case). [28/12/2014, 5:03:39 PM] Quinnae: "relating to or denoting a process or condition in which heat does not enter or leave the system concerned." ~Stephen [28/12/2014, 5:03:48 PM] Ian Cheong: "SJWs should be opposed to social healthcare since Nazi Germany had that too. Right now only people with a fair amount of money can afford genetic screening before having children, a socialist program for it can prevent a genetic disease. If I was a parent I'd then use embryo selection or find another source of sperm/egg. People already do prenatal testing regularly. Advanced eugenics(mutation selection, genetic engineering) which is probably what they're thinking of; does not exist, it's still science fiction. And when it becomes available I guarantee the rich will take advantage of it while trying to limit everyone else from it. Guess where hate for eugenics came from? The Catholic church. Yes, SJWs are supporting a ban the Catholics put in place." [28/12/2014, 5:04:10 PM] Remy: Thank you, Katherine <3 [28/12/2014, 5:04:15 PM] Charloppe: headdesk [28/12/2014, 5:04:25 PM] Quinnae: Quinnae facepalms. "By the Goddess and Her Consort, this is frightening." [28/12/2014, 5:04:31 PM] Quinnae: I just can't with these people. [28/12/2014, 5:04:43 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: katherine i don't know if you saw my mentions earlier when i posted what hotwheels was going to write for [28/12/2014, 5:04:45 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: but someone was like [28/12/2014, 5:04:49 PM] Charloppe: again how do you all deal with this [28/12/2014, 5:04:51 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: legit confused as to how i could possibly object [28/12/2014, 5:04:55 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: since it's legal [28/12/2014, 5:04:58 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i was just baffled [28/12/2014, 5:04:58 PM] Remy: I hate the holidays there's never any new episodes out [28/12/2014, 5:05:15 PM] Quinnae: And it's also hard not to take this personally. Eugenics programmes were deployed against Puerto Rican women throughout the 20th Century, sterilising them. I'm rather lucky to exist, in one way of looking at things. [28/12/2014, 5:05:34 PM] Charloppe: Charloppe hugs katherine [28/12/2014, 5:06:02 PM] Remy: This world is so terrifying [28/12/2014, 5:06:03 PM] Quinnae: Yeah, Sarah, I address that in one of my forthcoming papers. "Gamified ethics" I call it. [28/12/2014, 5:06:03 PM] Charloppe: i have alot of respect for you all dealing with this [28/12/2014, 5:06:12 PM] Quinnae: hugs Snarfybarf [28/12/2014, 5:06:44 PM] Quinnae: Anyway, I have a lovely girlfriend who's patiently waiting for me to come to bed, so I should go do that. [28/12/2014, 5:06:55 PM] Charloppe: go cuddle! [28/12/2014, 5:06:56 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: nini katherine! [28/12/2014, 5:07:02 PM] Charloppe: night katherine [28/12/2014, 5:07:03 PM] Ian Cheong: "I am not a nazi, I just write articles endorsing eugenics in nazi publications" - hotwheels https://twitter.com/HW_BEAT_THAT/with_replies [28/12/2014, 5:07:05 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: yes, i'm sure cuddling is all they'll do ~ [28/12/2014, 5:07:14 PM] Ian Cheong: later kath [28/12/2014, 5:07:14 PM] Quinnae: Take care everyone. And do be ethical (Not as a joke! Actual ethics!) Take care-- good chat tonight! [28/12/2014, 5:07:27 PM] Charloppe: niiight [28/12/2014, 5:07:31 PM] Peter Coffin: goodnight kathering [28/12/2014, 5:07:34 PM] Peter Coffin: katherine [28/12/2014, 5:07:42 PM] Peter Coffin: be well! [28/12/2014, 5:07:43 PM] Remy: While MRA's post pictures of women and rate which they like the most [28/12/2014, 5:07:53 PM] Remy: I watch YT videos ranking best Muppet movies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8udJXSvYZQ [28/12/2014, 5:08:07 PM] Remy: #winning [28/12/2014, 5:08:11 PM] Remy: #BetaAsFuck [28/12/2014, 5:08:11 PM] Peter Coffin: mupoganist [28/12/2014, 5:08:16 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: good call [28/12/2014, 5:08:31 PM] Charloppe: song stuck again [28/12/2014, 5:08:36 PM] Charloppe: curse you chat [28/12/2014, 5:09:17 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: hmm [28/12/2014, 5:10:06 PM] Remy: which? whom? [28/12/2014, 5:10:20 PM] Remy: my command of grammar drifts in and out [28/12/2014, 5:10:29 PM] Charloppe: betaasfuck [28/12/2014, 5:10:34 PM] Remy: ^ [28/12/2014, 5:10:34 PM] Charloppe: literally singing it [28/12/2014, 5:10:41 PM] Remy: (dance) [28/12/2014, 5:10:55 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I think I'm finally at the point in GG saturation where I honestly have no fucking clue what half their threads are about. It's just fucking buzzword salad at this point. [28/12/2014, 5:11:14 PM] Remy: shill [28/12/2014, 5:11:19 PM] Ian Cheong: Did you see the two threads I linked Alex? [28/12/2014, 5:11:28 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: they do seem to be growing less and less coherent over time [28/12/2014, 5:11:54 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Which ones? [28/12/2014, 5:12:05 PM] Ian Cheong: this one: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qlpst/hotwheels_gets_invited_to_write_an_article_on/ [28/12/2014, 5:12:22 PM] Ian Cheong: and https://twitter.com/HW_BEAT_THAT/with_replies [28/12/2014, 5:12:40 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I mean, yeah, i think our strength is self-awareness so we tend to ease back on SJ concepts if we know we're speaking to a wide audience, on 8chan right now it's all CULTURAL MARXIST SHILL KEK [28/12/2014, 5:12:53 PM] Ian Cheong: Aha yeah [28/12/2014, 5:12:54 PM] Ian Cheong: word salad. [28/12/2014, 5:13:09 PM] Ian Cheong: they've gotten worse [28/12/2014, 5:13:16 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Holy fucking shit I hope someone is archiving his replies. [28/12/2014, 5:13:37 PM] Ian Cheong: you bet. [28/12/2014, 5:13:42 PM] Alex Lifschitz: "in any case, eugenics was practiced in many countries other than nazi germany. i am not a nazi, educate yourselves my gamerghazi fans :^)" [28/12/2014, 5:14:05 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: uh [28/12/2014, 5:14:21 PM] Alex Lifschitz: "and, thank you gamerghazi for hyping my article before it goes out are you really surprised the owner of a chan is trolling? really?" [28/12/2014, 5:14:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: someone should really tell GG that the problem with the nazis wasnt that their name was "the nazis" [28/12/2014, 5:14:35 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Writing a pro-eugenics piece for a white nationalist rag is now "trolling" everyone [28/12/2014, 5:14:40 PM] Ian Cheong: https://archive.today/h97kk [28/12/2014, 5:15:17 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: while on the subject, was it made public knowledge that he also owned Wizardchan? [28/12/2014, 5:16:11 PM] Ian Cheong: not a lot of people know that [28/12/2014, 5:16:23 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Yeah [28/12/2014, 5:17:17 PM] Ian Cheong: he made up some pathetic lie about how zoe was posting shit about herself on wizardchan and he can verify this by checking the IP logs ------ except, admins on chan sites don't have this ability. [28/12/2014, 5:18:01 PM] Ian Cheong: someone on ghazi debunked that better than I just did [28/12/2014, 5:21:17 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ugh [28/12/2014, 5:21:20 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: https://twitter.com/ChloeSagal [28/12/2014, 5:22:31 PM] Ian Cheong: um [28/12/2014, 5:22:42 PM] Ian Cheong: dids he get her name legally changed? [28/12/2014, 5:22:55 PM] Ian Cheong: did she* [28/12/2014, 5:24:03 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: No clue, the "ugh" was more to the retweets from her mentions than the paypal thing [28/12/2014, 5:24:25 PM] Ian Cheong: yeah shes getting a lot of shit from shitty gators [28/12/2014, 5:24:45 PM] Ian Cheong: so nice of them to go after someone so vulnerable. [28/12/2014, 5:29:24 PM] Peter Coffin: I don’t get why they do that, she doesn’t do anything to like signal boost herself, they attack her and she responds [28/12/2014, 5:29:31 PM] Peter Coffin: that’s basically it [28/12/2014, 5:29:42 PM] Ian Cheong: yeah she just wants to be left alone [28/12/2014, 5:30:15 PM] Ian Cheong: she doesn't even like people showing compassion to her. [28/12/2014, 5:32:43 PM] Dan Olson: It's a master troll [28/12/2014, 5:33:32 PM] Ian Cheong: http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qlpst/hotwheels_gets_invited_to_write_an_article_on/cn79uo2 hotwheels responds [28/12/2014, 5:33:32 PM] Dan Olson: "I will tell these people exactly what they want to hear in a tone that will be indistinguishable from complete sympathetic support" [28/12/2014, 5:35:16 PM] Dan Olson: "I'm not a white nationalist (I live in Philippines lmao)." [28/12/2014, 5:35:23 PM] Dan Olson: as... though... that changes things? [28/12/2014, 5:35:29 PM] Peter Coffin: oh it does [28/12/2014, 5:35:41 PM] Peter Coffin: like… he is a racist in someone else’s country, not his own [28/12/2014, 5:35:58 PM] Peter Coffin: white internationalist [28/12/2014, 5:36:04 PM] Dan Olson: pffft [28/12/2014, 5:36:06 PM] Dan Olson: hahaah [28/12/2014, 5:36:12 PM] Dan Olson: perfect [28/12/2014, 5:36:22 PM] Peter Coffin: classic hotwheels [28/12/2014, 5:37:10 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: so did he actually flee the country? [28/12/2014, 5:37:27 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ... to one I'm pretty sure we have an extridition treaty with? [28/12/2014, 5:37:49 PM] Dan Olson: He claims "no" [28/12/2014, 5:37:51 PM] Peter Coffin: https://twitter.com/petercoffin/status/549137035328376833 [28/12/2014, 5:37:53 PM] Peter Coffin: I had to [28/12/2014, 5:38:21 PM] Ian Cheong: international man of misogyny [28/12/2014, 5:38:27 PM] Peter Coffin: LOL [28/12/2014, 5:38:34 PM] Peter Coffin: oh my god tweet that [28/12/2014, 5:38:50 PM] Dan Olson: Though I suspect the offer to move there, given the expense and complexity due to his condition, was sweetened by putting some distance between himself and 935 Pennsylvania Avenue [28/12/2014, 5:39:37 PM] Ian Cheong: tweeted it at you peter. [28/12/2014, 5:39:49 PM] Peter Coffin: retweeted [28/12/2014, 5:39:51 PM] Peter Coffin: that is a great joke [28/12/2014, 5:40:13 PM] Dan Olson: Because, let's face it, if you're fighting for free speech a shitty image board is a piss poor way of actually doing it. [28/12/2014, 5:40:26 PM] Peter Coffin: in fact, one might say it’s regressive [28/12/2014, 5:40:44 PM] Peter Coffin: as it does nothing for free speech to consolidate every single bit of abuse people claim as free speech into one thing [28/12/2014, 5:40:49 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: am I the only one who sometimes gets the impression Brennan is just trying to commit suicide by lynch mob? [28/12/2014, 5:41:27 PM] Dan Olson: and this whole response just says that making something resembling a living off running a scummy board means more than anything resembling dignity [28/12/2014, 5:41:50 PM] Dan Olson: suicide by lynch mob is a bit extreme, but I do believe he's looking to be king of shit hill [28/12/2014, 5:41:58 PM] Dan Olson: this gives him status [28/12/2014, 5:42:14 PM] Dan Olson: that it's status among the worst humanity has to offer is irrelevant. [28/12/2014, 5:42:17 PM] Ian Cheong: If your legacy was to run a third rate website dedicated to child pornography and white nationalism, wouldn't you want to commit suicide by lynch mob and feel somehow vindicated for your actions by being a 'free speech evangelist'? [28/12/2014, 5:42:38 PM] Peter Coffin: don’t forget child pornography and pedophile discussion [28/12/2014, 5:42:45 PM] Peter Coffin: oh you didn't [28/12/2014, 5:42:46 PM] Peter Coffin: sorry [28/12/2014, 5:42:52 PM] Peter Coffin: reading comprehension goes down at night [28/12/2014, 5:43:08 PM] Dan Olson: you'd have to vindicate it that way [28/12/2014, 5:43:21 PM] Dan Olson: unless you were also a pedophile nazi [28/12/2014, 5:43:54 PM] Ian Cheong: Brennan's dump stat was clearly Wisdom. [28/12/2014, 5:44:22 PM] Dan Olson: I was going to say "Con" but I felt bad even thinking it. [28/12/2014, 5:45:03 PM] Ian Cheong: He was dealt a hard hand in life, but he played his cards even more poorly. [28/12/2014, 5:45:12 PM] Dan Olson: also am I bonkers, or did he describe HuffPo as "far left"? [28/12/2014, 5:45:25 PM] Ian Cheong: He did. [28/12/2014, 5:45:31 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: well, you know, it's all relative [28/12/2014, 5:45:40 PM] Ian Cheong: I suppose it's far left if you're a nazi [28/12/2014, 5:45:54 PM] Peter Coffin: yeah that would make it pretty far left [28/12/2014, 5:46:03 PM] Peter Coffin: being a nazi… like how he is [28/12/2014, 5:49:27 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Secret Gamer Girl closes a huge pile of tags left open over the course of the day [28/12/2014, 5:49:48 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: nazi stuff, MRA stuff, creepy GGer signs of solidarity... [28/12/2014, 5:49:51 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608006076323398166&pid=15.1&P=0 [28/12/2014, 5:50:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ... that's a weirdly good segue back into the silly kids' show stuff I started the day off with right there. [28/12/2014, 5:54:53 PM] Ian Cheong: "I am starting to think that huge part of the problem is education. Many people seem to have only Mickey Mouse grasp of the history and who was believed what. I guess that is what we get when we teach history as a black and white issue. Eugenics was not Nazi only issue. All attempts to it made more harm then good (imo), but that still does not make it white supremacy issue. It was popular pretty much everywhere at that time - including United States." [28/12/2014, 5:55:09 PM] Ian Cheong: what an idiot [28/12/2014, 5:55:16 PM] Ian Cheong: its being published in a white nationalist publication [28/12/2014, 5:56:32 PM] Ian Cheong: now here's an attempt to rewrite history. http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qlwb8/polack_guesses_the_future_two_days_after_the/ [28/12/2014, 5:56:38 PM] Ian Cheong: 'the zoepost blew over' [28/12/2014, 5:56:44 PM] Ian Cheong: explains why they're still all talking about it, right? [28/12/2014, 5:56:52 PM] Peter Coffin: daily [28/12/2014, 5:56:58 PM] Peter Coffin: hourly [28/12/2014, 5:57:02 PM] Peter Coffin: minutely [28/12/2014, 5:57:28 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Nonsense! They never even mention her! Except for the 20000 times a day when someone gets confused about who their codenames refer to [28/12/2014, 5:57:44 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and the 500000 times a day they have to remind someone it's not about her [28/12/2014, 5:58:09 PM] Peter Coffin: lol mountain dew? [28/12/2014, 5:58:29 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and the other 480000 times a day they talk about her prompting those reminders [28/12/2014, 5:59:20 PM] Peter Coffin: also they retweet all of it [28/12/2014, 6:00:51 PM] SF: I bought Nidhogg. Zoe I'm coming for your crown. [28/12/2014, 6:00:58 PM] SF: We'll meet on the battlefield one day. [28/12/2014, 6:06:41 PM] Peter Coffin: have we discussed the pedophillia/sex tourism links with the Philippines [28/12/2014, 6:07:18 PM] Peter Coffin: wife just said this to me and if it’s been discussed here I missed it [28/12/2014, 6:07:19 PM] Peter Coffin: like, it makes a lot of sense that a guy who runs a board with child porn also lives in a place notorious for white pedophiles getting off [28/12/2014, 6:07:47 PM] Peter Coffin: I don’t know that she’s aware of his want to evade taxes and that kind of stuff [28/12/2014, 6:07:51 PM] Peter Coffin: but it is a link [28/12/2014, 6:08:03 PM] Peter Coffin: "Philippines: Child sex tourism is known as a serious problem in the Philippines. The Trafficking in Persons Report of 2010 reports of tourists coming from Northeast Asia, Australia, Europe and North America to engage in sex with children. With new technology like the internet, some children form cyber relationships with men from other countries and get money by sending pornographic images over the internet.[36]" [28/12/2014, 6:13:07 PM] Peter Coffin: http://www.roughguides.com/destinations/asia/philippines/travel-essentials/prostitution-sex-tourism/ [28/12/2014, 6:13:20 PM] Peter Coffin: [12/28/14, 3:12:10 AM] Ashleigh Coffin: Child Protection in the Philippines (wcpu-net.org.ph) estimates that almost half the prostitutes in the Philippines are underage, many of them street children lured from the provinces by the promise of work or simply food and water. If you suspect someone of being a paedophile or engaging in any abusive behaviour towards minors, call hotline t1-6-3 or check whttp://www.bantaybata163.com. [12/28/14, 3:12:21 AM] Ashleigh Coffin: HALF underage [28/12/2014, 6:19:17 PM] Peter Coffin: has this been seen here? http://i.imgur.com/dxN8BVz.jpg [28/12/2014, 6:20:53 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: never saw that before [28/12/2014, 6:21:00 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: hard to tell how young they are :\ [28/12/2014, 6:21:52 PM] Peter Coffin: she found it here [28/12/2014, 6:21:57 PM] Peter Coffin: http://www.reddit.com/r/8chan/comments/2nmqjn/ [28/12/2014, 6:23:11 PM] Peter Coffin: if that statistic is true, one could assume half are too young [28/12/2014, 6:23:41 PM] Peter Coffin: when my wife is bored she can kick serious ass on the internet [28/12/2014, 6:24:04 PM] SF: Good finding. Also many ughs. [28/12/2014, 6:24:24 PM] SF: That might be worth mentioning in Serious/adding to the Trello for future reference. [28/12/2014, 6:24:48 PM] Peter Coffin: I’ll file in trello [28/12/2014, 6:35:40 PM] Peter Coffin: filed https://trello.com/c/TBx5iFsi [28/12/2014, 6:50:56 PM] Peter Coffin: also not relevant but I feel comfortable sharing creations with you folks, so before I go to bed here’s my silly new years resolution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT4enU63plY [28/12/2014, 7:36:01 PM] Remy: ooh [28/12/2014, 7:36:10 PM] Remy: finding some good research for the Internal Affairs game [28/12/2014, 7:38:27 PM] Remy: Also a 2005 study published in the Journal of Criminal Justice apparently found no significant difference in the prevalence of use of force committed by male or female officers [28/12/2014, 8:59:37 PM] Rob: Morning [28/12/2014, 9:01:29 PM] Ian Cheong: Morning. I'm at a buffet [28/12/2014, 9:01:41 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: you keep weird hours, ian [28/12/2014, 9:02:04 PM] Ian Cheong: Yeah. I don't sleep much either [28/12/2014, 9:02:22 PM] Rob: Noms buffet [28/12/2014, 9:02:32 PM] Rob: I'm finally starting true detective while raising skills in WoW [28/12/2014, 9:02:36 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i wish i could do that. i've always slept too much, since i was little. it's frustrating. it feels like such a waste of time [28/12/2014, 9:07:27 PM] Rob: My sleep schedule sucks [28/12/2014, 9:08:02 PM] Ian Cheong: Sleeping is pointless [28/12/2014, 10:34:41 PM] drinternetphd: what is sleep even [28/12/2014, 10:35:02 PM] Rob: It's where I'm a Viking. [28/12/2014, 11:17:24 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): good morning [28/12/2014, 11:17:37 PM] Peter Coffin: morning folks [28/12/2014, 11:17:59 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): morning, Peter [28/12/2014, 11:18:23 PM] Rob: hi izzy, peter [28/12/2014, 11:18:30 PM] Peter Coffin: hey izzy, rob [28/12/2014, 11:20:45 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Hi Rob [28/12/2014, 11:26:57 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Huh, lots of GGers switching to 'neutral' lately. I wonder what could have caused this? ;) http://np.reddit.com/r/AgainstGamerGate/ [28/12/2014, 11:27:48 PM] drinternetphd: writing a book sucks [28/12/2014, 11:28:00 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): morning, Zoe [28/12/2014, 11:28:11 PM] drinternetphd: or rather the things you have to do to facilitate writing a book suck [28/12/2014, 11:28:14 PM] drinternetphd: morning [28/12/2014, 11:28:28 PM] drinternetphd: though working on a pitch while the sun comes up over seattle isn't so bad [28/12/2014, 11:28:49 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Oh, you're back in Seattle? [28/12/2014, 11:28:52 PM] drinternetphd: mhmm [28/12/2014, 11:29:12 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Cool. [28/12/2014, 11:30:51 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): We should go out for coffee sometime, you me and Alex [28/12/2014, 11:31:22 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): when things settle down, of course [28/12/2014, 11:31:23 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): :) [28/12/2014, 11:32:14 PM] drinternetphd: yeah sure [28/12/2014, 11:36:02 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): So, Kiwikku wrote a goodbye to GamerGate: http://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstGamerGate/comments/2qlxfv/forced_to_be_neutral_i_have_no_mouth_and_i_must/ [28/12/2014, 11:40:07 PM] drinternetphd: "Continue to call out the LW's, but do it by writing blog posts and mediums refuting them, not by posting another useless thread on KiA or sending messages to them on Twitter." [28/12/2014, 11:40:08 PM] drinternetphd: fuck you [28/12/2014, 11:40:15 PM] drinternetphd: get a hobby you piece of shit [28/12/2014, 11:42:07 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Love this person who called him out for that: Continue to call out the LW's, Truly a noble goal, continuing to attack people who've already suffered horrifying bullshit for no reason at all. Keep up the good fight, man. [28/12/2014, 11:42:19 PM] Peter Coffin: doopy diddles I’m leaving keep being shitty [28/12/2014, 11:42:38 PM] drinternetphd: lol [28/12/2014, 11:42:57 PM] drinternetphd: I am hoping to have an edited and polished pitch of this book by the end of jan [28/12/2014, 11:43:08 PM] drinternetphd: only 21k words ._. [28/12/2014, 11:43:15 PM] drinternetphd: that could change my life ._. [28/12/2014, 11:43:20 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): no biggie [28/12/2014, 11:43:22 PM] Peter Coffin: you only get [28/12/2014, 11:43:25 PM] drinternetphd: nbd [28/12/2014, 11:43:25 PM] Peter Coffin: one shot [28/12/2014, 11:43:26 PM] Rob: Remember, your name is two words! [28/12/2014, 11:43:29 PM] Peter Coffin: one opportunity [28/12/2014, 11:43:32 PM] Rob: so that's 20,998 to go! [28/12/2014, 11:43:35 PM] drinternetphd: my bio right now is [28/12/2014, 11:43:40 PM] Peter Coffin: mom’s spaghetti [28/12/2014, 11:43:54 PM] drinternetphd: "total asshole looking forward to the skeleton wars" [28/12/2014, 11:44:01 PM] Peter Coffin: oh geez [28/12/2014, 11:44:34 PM] Peter Coffin: yeah, that’s about right isn’t it [28/12/2014, 11:44:38 PM] drinternetphd: p much [28/12/2014, 11:44:45 PM] drinternetphd: though "mom's spaghetti" is a good 2nd runner up [28/12/2014, 11:44:46 PM] Peter Coffin: not the asshole part [28/12/2014, 11:45:01 PM] Peter Coffin: I didn’t tacitly agree with that [28/12/2014, 11:45:10 PM] drinternetphd: too late you already put in a line break [28/12/2014, 11:45:18 PM] Peter Coffin: …mom’s spaghetti [28/12/2014, 11:45:28 PM] drinternetphd: just like a dragonfly [28/12/2014, 11:45:38 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): You should wrote it from GG's perspective. jk [28/12/2014, 11:45:54 PM] Peter Coffin: noooooooooooo welcome to misinterpreted book of the year [28/12/2014, 11:45:55 PM] drinternetphd: idk if I can use 21k words to describe the inside of an anus [28/12/2014, 11:46:12 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): lol [28/12/2014, 11:46:15 PM] Rob: Make it a fiction story about the life of a polyp [28/12/2014, 11:46:18 PM] drinternetphd: "it's kinda dark in here and boy am i sure mad about video game people" [28/12/2014, 11:46:44 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): wait, what's that?... oh, god, i'm in Milo's ass, aren't I? [28/12/2014, 11:46:51 PM] Peter Coffin: “despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage” [28/12/2014, 11:46:57 PM] Peter Coffin: “except an ass" [28/12/2014, 11:47:03 PM] drinternetphd: [soul collective voice] yeah [28/12/2014, 11:47:19 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): THE WAR AGAINST THE NERD EXCLUSIONARY RADICAL FEMINISTS [28/12/2014, 11:47:47 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): otherwise known as "GamerGate" [28/12/2014, 11:47:50 PM] Peter Coffin: war has changed [28/12/2014, 11:48:28 PM] Peter Coffin: war has sladed [28/12/2014, 11:48:45 PM] Peter Coffin: kek has kekked [28/12/2014, 11:50:20 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Actually, it's about ethics in writing book pitches [28/12/2014, 11:51:29 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): The ad showing in my Skype window is of Pillsbury biscuits. Now I'm hungry [28/12/2014, 11:51:35 PM] Peter Coffin: I wonder if they will write a rebuttal book when your book happens zoe [28/12/2014, 11:51:52 PM] Rob: Hey izzy [28/12/2014, 11:51:58 PM] Rob: Do you have a link to hotwheels stormfront thing handy? [28/12/2014, 11:52:05 PM] Rob: My friend wants to see it for the lulz [28/12/2014, 11:52:18 PM] Peter Coffin: 1 moment [28/12/2014, 11:52:22 PM] Rob: TY [28/12/2014, 11:52:23 PM] drinternetphd: my book is only kind of about gamergate [28/12/2014, 11:52:24 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): archive.today [28/12/2014, 11:52:39 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): oops, I meant to type that in my search. lol [28/12/2014, 11:52:45 PM] Rob: :D [28/12/2014, 11:52:49 PM] Peter Coffin: so it’s entirely about gamer gate when a gger reads it [28/12/2014, 11:53:04 PM] Peter Coffin: is what you’re saying [28/12/2014, 11:53:39 PM] drinternetphd: they always find a way to make anything I do about the [28/12/2014, 11:53:40 PM] drinternetphd: *them [28/12/2014, 11:54:18 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Rob: http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2qjrw0/fredrick_hotwheels_brennan_outs_himself_as_a/ [28/12/2014, 11:54:33 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): and the archive of the 8chan thread: https://archive.today/NMGM9 [28/12/2014, 11:54:40 PM] Rob: TY! [28/12/2014, 11:54:51 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): np [28/12/2014, 11:55:17 PM] Peter Coffin: adding that to trello card on hotwheels [28/12/2014, 11:57:23 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): "Now, of course certain people have come out of the woodwork to call me a Nazi, but that was exactly as planned. You guys need to realize that I'm the admin of 8chan, not the "leader" of GamerGate. Building hype around my business is my job, especially when we are strapped for cash and can't advertise directly." -- http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2qlpst/hotwheels_gets_invited_to_write_an_article_on/cn79uo2 [28/12/2014, 11:58:08 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): That's one way to run a business, I guess... [28/12/2014, 11:58:38 PM] Peter Coffin: “strapped for cash” “moves to philippines and goes to clubs” [28/12/2014, 11:59:06 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): So, you're saying.... Hotwheels is a professional victim? [28/12/2014, 11:59:09 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): DUN DUN DUN [28/12/2014, 11:59:10 PM] drinternetphd: so much for ethics [28/12/2014, 11:59:24 PM] Peter Coffin: zoe did you see the stuff my wife dug up? [28/12/2014, 11:59:31 PM] drinternetphd: nope, been mostly working [28/12/2014, 11:59:41 PM] drinternetphd: also UNF this bear claw e-cig shit goes so well with espresso [28/12/2014, 11:59:51 PM] Peter Coffin: I made a trello card on brennan with it https://trello.com/c/TBx5iFsi
